Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it interesting. If the above link is too long for you to access, try: http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7 Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I was going to send this to the group too. I am baby 19. LOL Helena Rychener wrote:  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click  Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it interesting.  If the above link is too long for you to access, try: http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7  Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Oh, no! My sympathy for what you go through with anxiety has skyrocketed. I can’t imagine it. Hang in there and keep doing ACT! Helena From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Robyn Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:00 AM To: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: Re: Article on Anxiety I was going to send this to the group too. I am baby 19. LOL Helena Rychener wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it interesting. If the above link is too long for you to access, try: http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7 Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 You know I am kidding. I am not baby 19. But I am a carbon copy. Helena Rychener wrote:  Oh, no! My sympathy for what you go through with anxiety has skyrocketed. I can’t imagine it. Hang in there and keep doing ACT!  Helena   From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Robyn Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:00 AM To: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: Re: Article on Anxiety   I was going to send this to the group too. I am baby 19. LOL Helena Rychener wrote:  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click  Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it interesting.  If the above link is too long for you to access, try: http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7  Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Well, I didn’t take you literally! But to even be like baby 19 is unimaginable to me! Helena From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Robyn Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:59 PM To: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: Re: Article on Anxiety You know I am kidding. I am not baby 19. But I am a carbon copy. Helena Rychener wrote: Oh, no! My sympathy for what you go through with anxiety has skyrocketed. I can’t imagine it. Hang in there and keep doing ACT! Helena From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Robyn Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:00 AM To: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: Re: Article on Anxiety I was going to send this to the group too. I am baby 19. LOL Helena Rychener wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it interesting. If the above link is too long for you to access, try: http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7 Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 But this is why we are doing ACT. I can't imagine what you go through. And it is not as bad as I imagine it to be. This is why, I add second fear. It is the secondary fear that is the problem. Acceptance would make it a ton easier. Robyn Helena Rychener wrote:  Well, I didn’t take you literally! But to even be like baby 19 is unimaginable to me! Helena   From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Robyn Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:59 PM To: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: Re: Article on Anxiety   You know I am kidding. I am not baby 19. But I am a carbon copy. Helena Rychener wrote:  Oh, no! My sympathy for what you go through with anxiety has skyrocketed. I can’t imagine it. Hang in there and keep doing ACT!  Helena   From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Robyn Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:00 AM To: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: Re: Article on Anxiety   I was going to send this to the group too. I am baby 19. LOL Helena Rychener wrote:  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click  Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it interesting.  If the above link is too long for you to access, try: http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7  Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Helena, thanks for the link. I suspect I come from a family of highly-reactive people, bright, serious, and moody, and very thankful that I don't experience the same level of anxiety as my younger sister. At the same time, I do take exception to the descriptions of 'dour' and 'melacholy' for Baby 19. I would be too if I had a scientist videotaping me all my life and especially around him. Do scientists not think that people can figure out what they're doing? Sheesh. Mind, as a dog lover, I've always tended to pick the most adventurous and cheerful pup in the litter. It's always worked. :-) Christie > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14\ 888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=cl\ ick> & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc\ _ev=click > > Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it interesting. > > If the above link is too long for you to access, try: > http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7 > > Helena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 What a great article! Thanks for passing it along.Brucehttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it interesting. If the above link is too long for you to access, try:http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7 Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 We are all born different and some may have more of a tendency to anxiety than others but this maybe no bad thing. These are perfectly normal genes and help us to keep safe and happy. This is what Ruth Hubbard, a professor of biology has to say on the subject if genes in her book 'Exploding The Gene Myth.' Exploding The Gene Myth: How Genetic Information Is Produced And Manipulated By Scientists, Physicians, Employers, Insurance Companies, Educato How Genetic Information Is Produced and Manipulated by Scientists, Physicians, Employers, Insurance Companies, Educators, and Law Enforcers With a new Preface "With their rich array of citations and examples . . . Hubbard and Wald] show how the marriage of science and business . . . has created that most treacherous of American progeny: commerce masquerading as human liberation." - Callahan, The New York Times Book Review Scientists discoverded the short serotonin gene and assumed people with it were more likely to be depressed. But they forgot to do one important thing, study their subjects in double blind trials. What they assumed they found, and this is hardly good science. Jay ph, studied all the identical twin trials and came to the opposite conclusion of the scientists that did those studies. Scientists just want to find genes for the same reason that some people won't stop believing in UFO's, i.e. this is what they want more than anything else. http://www.jayjoseph.net/the_missing_gene Why anyone would want to believe that their unbearable suffering is genetically determined and therefore incurable beats me. It like turkeys voting for Christmas. But I can make sense of it from the point of view of learned hopelessness. Its like the rats that have been elecuted so much that when the cage door is opened they don't bother to try to get out, they have given up because they can't believe anything will change. Chronic anxiety and depression makes you feel hopleless, but as Burns say's, don't confuse feelings, or thoughts, with reality. And it is natural for depressed and anxious people to be pessimistic and see no hope. Burns, A leading CBT practinioner, psychiatrist, scientific researcher of brain chemistry, and a leading author, boldly states there is no depresioin he couldn't cure if given enough time - usually 9 months. So, if you are like me, forget about genetic derterinism and go for it. You're in for a good chance. For more on Ruth Hubbard: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pcW0UWgs_t4C & dq=Exploding+the+Gene+Myth & printsec=frontcover & source=bl & ots=o6qP8djSMa & sig=OiwAt9fzFXzGnvG7yUpjfzJmWSE & hl=en & ei=xAUwSqvuI4bUjAfNquGVCw & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#v=onepage & q= & f=false Kavy > > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click> >> >> >> > Here's a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared > > in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it > > interesting.> >> >> >> > If the above link is too long for you to access, try:> >> > http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7> >> >> >> > Helena> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Here is how I look at it and I have studied and had this for 25 years. I had a disposition to anxiety and over thinking ( I see a big trend with the people I know that have anxiety, they are the smartest and brightest people I know) and then my home life and abuse just made it worse. I had no one to teach me how to calm myself, like the boy in the article and that just made it harder. But if you can accept that and move where you can, it gets better and you can learn a different way (ACT fits into that perfectly) there is no doubt I had a sensitivity to anxiety to start with. Anxiety has gotten me through my rough childhood, actually. I had anxiety as a girl and never told anyone, there was no one to tell, and that made me come up with my own conclusions about anxiety and those conclusions were wrong and added to the anxiety issues. Let it just come and go. It doesn't make it go away it just redefines it so you can move with it. There is no reason to question that. Many have gotten better and would not be on this list if we didn't want it. And if we want it we can do it. I know with me, my worrying about getting better is a thought not a really thing and seeing it as a thought makes me realize the thought is the anxiety, the thought is not a real thing but seems like it because it seems that what I worry about is the thing causing the anxiety but it is the thought. It is not a real thing. Took me a while to get that. I still don't know if I am describing it right. Robyn Kavy wrote: We are all born different and some may have more of a tendency to anxiety than others but this maybe no bad thing. These are perfectly normal genes and help us to keep safe and happy. This is what Ruth Hubbard, a professor of biology has to say on the subject if genes in her book 'Exploding The Gene Myth.' Exploding The Gene Myth: How Genetic Information Is Produced And Manipulated By Scientists, Physicians, Employers, Insurance Companies, Educato How Genetic Information Is Produced and Manipulated by Scientists, Physicians, Employers, Insurance Companies, Educators, and Law Enforcers With a new Preface "With their rich array of citations and examples . . . Hubbard and Wald] show how the marriage of science and business . . . has created that most treacherous of American progeny: commerce masquerading as human liberation." - Callahan, The New York Times Book Review Scientists discoverded the short serotonin gene and assumed people with it were more likely to be depressed. But they forgot to do one important thing, study their subjects in double blind trials. What they assumed they found, and this is hardly good science. Jay ph, studied all the identical twin trials and came to the opposite conclusion of the scientists that did those studies. Scientists just want to find genes for the same reason that some people won't stop believing in UFO's, i.e. this is what they want more than anything else. http://www.jayjoseph.net/the_missing_gene Why anyone would want to believe that their unbearable suffering is genetically determined and therefore incurable beats me. It like turkeys voting for Christmas. But I can make sense of it from the point of view of learned hopelessness. Its like the rats that have been elecuted so much that when the cage door is opened they don't bother to try to get out, they have given up because they can't believe anything will change. Chronic anxiety and depression makes you feel hopleless, but as Burns say's, don't confuse feelings, or thoughts, with reality. And it is natural for depressed and anxious people to be pessimistic and see no hope. Burns, A leading CBT practinioner, psychiatrist, scientific researcher of brain chemistry, and a leading author, boldly states there is no depresioin he couldn't cure if given enough time - usually 9 months. So, if you are like me, forget about genetic derterinism and go for it. You're in for a good chance. For more on Ruth Hubbard: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pcW0UWgs_t4C & dq=Exploding+the+Gene+Myth & printsec=frontcover & source=bl & ots=o6qP8djSMa & sig=OiwAt9fzFXzGnvG7yUpjfzJmWSE & hl=en & ei=xAUwSqvuI4bUjAfNquGVCw & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#v=onepage & q= & f=false Kavy > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click > > > > > > > > Here's a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared > > in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it > > interesting. > > > > > > > > If the above link is too long for you to access, try: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7 > > > > > > > > Helena > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Maybe so, but if you successfully follow the Open Focus technique, it will cure it completely. Genes don't matter. Kavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Kavy, I am appalled at your blanket statement and here’s why: You cannot, in any shape of form, determine what will work for someone else, nor can you state what will or will not “cure” them. You cannot emphatically state that genes don’t matter; research has not reached that conclusion. Please, Helena From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Kavy Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:03 PM To: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: Re: Article on Anxiety Maybe so, but if you successfully follow the Open Focus technique, it will cure it completely. Genes don't matter. Kavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Kavy, I should have said I’m concerned … not appalled. That was too strong a word; it was my initial reaction, but not my true reaction. I hope you will continue the dialogue. Helena From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Helena Rychener Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:40 PM To: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: RE: Re: Article on Anxiety Kavy, I am appalled at your blanket statement and here’s why: You cannot, in any shape of form, determine what will work for someone else, nor can you state what will or will not “cure” them. You cannot emphatically state that genes don’t matter; research has not reached that conclusion. Please, Helena From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Kavy Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:03 PM To: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: Re: Article on Anxiety Maybe so, but if you successfully follow the Open Focus technique, it will cure it completely. Genes don't matter. Kavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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