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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click

Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article on

anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. 

I thought some of you might find it interesting.

If the above link is too long for you to

access, try:

http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7

Helena

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I was going to send this to the group too.  I am baby 19.  LOL

Helena Rychener wrote:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click

 

Here’s a link to a

rather in-depth article on

anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. 

I thought some of you might find it interesting.

 

If the above link is

too long for you to

access, try:

http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7

 

Helena

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Oh, no! 

My sympathy for what you go through with anxiety has skyrocketed.  I can’t imagine it.  Hang in there and keep doing ACT!

Helena

From: ACT_for_the_Public

[mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On

Behalf Of Robyn

Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009

10:00 AM

To:

ACT_for_the_Public

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Article on Anxiety

I was

going to send this to the group too. I am baby 19. LOL

Helena Rychener wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click

Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article

on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you

might find it interesting.

If the above link is too long for you to

access, try:

http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7

Helena

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You know I am kidding.  I am not baby 19.  But I am a carbon copy.

Helena Rychener wrote:

 

Oh, no! 

My sympathy for what you go through with anxiety has

skyrocketed.  I can’t imagine it.  Hang in

there and keep doing ACT!

 

Helena

 

 

From: ACT_for_the_Public

[mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On

Behalf Of Robyn

Sent: Tuesday, October

06, 2009

10:00 AM

To:

ACT_for_the_Public

Subject: Re:

Article on Anxiety

 

 

I was

going to send this to the group too.  I am baby 19.  LOL

Helena Rychener wrote:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click

 

Here’s a link to a

rather in-depth article

on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times.  I thought some of you

might find it interesting.

 

If the above link is

too long for you to

access, try:

http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7

 

Helena

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Well, I didn’t take you literally!  But to even be like baby 19 is unimaginable

to me!

Helena

From: ACT_for_the_Public

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Behalf Of Robyn

Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009

2:59 PM

To:

ACT_for_the_Public

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Article on Anxiety

You know

I am kidding. I am not baby 19. But I am a carbon copy.

Helena Rychener wrote:

Oh, no! My sympathy for what you go

through with anxiety has skyrocketed. I can’t imagine it. Hang in

there and keep doing ACT!

Helena

From: ACT_for_the_Public

[mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of Robyn

Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009

10:00 AM

To: ACT_for_the_Public

Subject: Re:

Article on Anxiety

I was

going to send this to the group too. I am baby 19. LOL

Helena Rychener wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click

Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article

on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you

might find it interesting.

If the above link is too long for you to

access, try:

http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7

Helena

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But this is why we are doing ACT.  I can't imagine what you go

through.  And it is not as bad as I imagine it to be.  This is why,  I

add second fear.  It is the secondary fear that is the problem. 

Acceptance would make it a ton easier. 

Robyn

Helena Rychener wrote:

 

Well, I didn’t take

you literally!  But to even be like baby 19 is

unimaginable

to me!

Helena

 

 

From: ACT_for_the_Public

[mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On

Behalf Of Robyn

Sent: Tuesday, October

06, 2009

2:59 PM

To:

ACT_for_the_Public

Subject: Re:

Article on Anxiety

 

 

You know

I am kidding.  I am not baby 19.  But I am a carbon copy.

Helena Rychener wrote:

 

Oh, no!  My sympathy

for what you go

through with anxiety has skyrocketed.  I can’t imagine it.  Hang in

there and keep doing ACT!

 

Helena

 

 

From: ACT_for_the_Public

[mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ]

On Behalf Of Robyn

Sent: Tuesday,

October 06, 2009

10:00 AM

To: ACT_for_the_Public

Subject: Re:

Article on Anxiety

 

 

I was

going to send this to the group too.  I am baby 19.  LOL

Helena Rychener wrote:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click

 

Here’s a link to a

rather in-depth article

on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times.  I thought some of you

might find it interesting.

 

If the above link is

too long for you to

access, try:

http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7

 

Helena

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Helena, thanks for the link. I suspect I come from a family of highly-reactive

people, bright, serious, and moody, and very thankful that I don't experience

the same level of anxiety as my younger sister. At the same time, I do take

exception to the descriptions of 'dour' and 'melacholy' for Baby 19. I would be

too if I had a scientist videotaping me all my life and especially around him.

Do scientists not think that people can figure out what they're doing? Sheesh.

Mind, as a dog lover, I've always tended to pick the most adventurous and

cheerful pup in the litter. It's always worked. :-)

Christie

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What a great article! Thanks for passing it along.Brucehttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04anxiety-t.html?ex=1270008000 & en=14888d0e85f163b7 & ei=5087 & WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M117-ROS-1009-HDR & WT.mc_ev=click Here’s a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that appeared in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it interesting. If the above link is too long for you to access, try:http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7 Helena

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We are all born different and some may have more of a tendency to anxiety than others but this maybe no bad thing. These are perfectly normal genes and help us to keep safe and happy. This is what Ruth Hubbard, a professor of biology has to say on the subject if genes in her book 'Exploding The Gene Myth.'

Exploding The Gene Myth: How Genetic Information Is Produced And Manipulated By Scientists, Physicians, Employers, Insurance Companies, Educato

How Genetic Information Is Produced and Manipulated by Scientists, Physicians, Employers, Insurance Companies, Educators, and Law Enforcers With a new Preface

"With their rich array of citations and examples . . . Hubbard and Wald] show how the marriage of science and business . . . has created that most treacherous of American progeny: commerce masquerading as human liberation."

- Callahan, The New York Times Book Review

Scientists discoverded the short serotonin gene and assumed people with it were more likely to be depressed. But they forgot to do one important thing, study their subjects in double blind trials. What they assumed they found, and this is hardly good science.

Jay ph, studied all the identical twin trials and came to the opposite conclusion of the scientists that did those studies. Scientists just want to find genes for the same reason that some people won't stop believing in UFO's, i.e. this is what they want more than anything else.

http://www.jayjoseph.net/the_missing_gene

Why anyone would want to believe that their unbearable suffering is genetically determined and therefore incurable beats me. It like turkeys voting for Christmas. But I can make sense of it from the point of view of learned hopelessness. Its like the rats that have been elecuted so much that when the cage door is opened they don't bother to try to get out, they have given up because they can't believe anything will change. Chronic anxiety and depression makes you feel hopleless, but as Burns say's, don't confuse feelings, or thoughts, with reality. And it is natural for depressed and anxious people to be pessimistic and see no hope. Burns, A leading CBT practinioner, psychiatrist, scientific researcher of brain chemistry, and a leading author, boldly states there is no depresioin he couldn't cure if given enough time - usually 9 months.

So, if you are like me, forget about genetic derterinism and go for it. You're in for a good chance.

For more on Ruth Hubbard:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pcW0UWgs_t4C & dq=Exploding+the+Gene+Myth & printsec=frontcover & source=bl & ots=o6qP8djSMa & sig=OiwAt9fzFXzGnvG7yUpjfzJmWSE & hl=en & ei=xAUwSqvuI4bUjAfNquGVCw & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#v=onepage & q= & f=false

Kavy

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Here is how I look at it and I have studied and had this for 25 years.

I had a disposition to anxiety and over thinking ( I see a big trend

with the people I know that have anxiety, they are the smartest and

brightest people I know) and then my home life and abuse just made it

worse. I had no one to teach me how to calm myself, like the boy in

the article and that just made it harder. But if you can accept that

and move where you can, it gets better and you can learn a different

way (ACT fits into that perfectly) there is no doubt I had a

sensitivity to anxiety to start with. Anxiety has gotten me through my

rough childhood, actually. I had anxiety as a girl and never told

anyone, there was no one to tell, and that made me come up with my

own conclusions about anxiety and those conclusions were wrong and

added to the anxiety issues. Let it just come and go. It doesn't make

it go away it just redefines it so you can move with it. There is no

reason to question that. Many have gotten better and would not be on

this list if we didn't want it. And if we want it we can do it.

I know with me, my worrying about getting better is a thought not a

really thing and seeing it as a thought makes me realize the thought is

the anxiety, the thought is not a real thing but seems like it because

it seems that what I worry about is the thing causing the anxiety but

it is the thought. It is not a real thing. Took me a while to get

that. I still don't know if I am describing it right.

Robyn

Kavy wrote:

We are all born different and some may have more of a tendency to

anxiety than others but this maybe no bad thing. These are perfectly

normal genes and help us to keep safe and happy. This is what Ruth

Hubbard, a professor of biology has to say on the subject if genes in

her book 'Exploding The Gene Myth.'

Exploding The Gene Myth: How

Genetic Information Is Produced And Manipulated By Scientists,

Physicians, Employers, Insurance Companies, Educato

How Genetic Information Is

Produced and Manipulated by Scientists, Physicians, Employers,

Insurance Companies, Educators, and Law Enforcers

With a new Preface

"With their rich array of

citations and examples . . . Hubbard and Wald] show how the marriage of

science and business . . . has created that most treacherous of

American progeny: commerce masquerading as human liberation."

- Callahan, The New York

Times Book Review

Scientists discoverded the short

serotonin gene and assumed people with it were more likely to be

depressed. But they forgot to do one important thing, study their

subjects in double blind trials. What they assumed they found, and this

is hardly good science.

Jay ph, studied all the identical

twin trials and came to the opposite conclusion of the scientists that

did those studies. Scientists just want to find genes for the same

reason that some people won't stop believing in UFO's, i.e. this

is what they want more than anything else.

http://www.jayjoseph.net/the_missing_gene

Why anyone would want to believe that

their unbearable suffering is genetically determined and therefore

incurable beats me. It like turkeys voting for Christmas. But I can

make sense of it from the point of view of learned hopelessness. Its

like the rats that have been elecuted so much that when the cage door

is opened they don't bother to try to get out, they have given up

because they can't believe anything will change. Chronic anxiety and

depression makes you feel hopleless, but as Burns say's, don't

confuse feelings, or thoughts, with reality. And it is natural for

depressed and anxious people to be pessimistic and see no hope.

Burns, A leading CBT practinioner, psychiatrist, scientific researcher

of brain chemistry, and a leading author, boldly states there is no

depresioin he couldn't cure if given enough time - usually 9 months.

So, if you are like me, forget about

genetic derterinism and go for it. You're in for a good chance.

For more on Ruth Hubbard:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pcW0UWgs_t4C & dq=Exploding+the+Gene+Myth & printsec=frontcover & source=bl & ots=o6qP8djSMa & sig=OiwAt9fzFXzGnvG7yUpjfzJmWSE & hl=en & ei=xAUwSqvuI4bUjAfNquGVCw & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#v=onepage & q= & f=false

Kavy

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> > Here's a link to a rather in-depth article on anxiety that

appeared

> > in the New York Times. I thought some of you might find it

> > interesting.

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> >

> > If the above link is too long for you to access, try:

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/ya8wpt7

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> > Helena

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Kavy, I am appalled at your blanket statement

and here’s why:

You cannot, in any shape of form, determine

what will work for someone else, nor can you state what will or will not

“cure” them. You cannot

emphatically state that genes don’t matter; research has not reached that

conclusion.

Please,

Helena

From: ACT_for_the_Public

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Behalf Of Kavy

Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009

3:03 PM

To:

ACT_for_the_Public

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Maybe so, but if you successfully follow the Open

Focus technique, it will cure it completely. Genes don't matter.

Kavy

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Kavy,

I should have said I’m concerned …

not appalled. That was too strong a

word; it was my initial reaction, but not my true reaction. I hope you will continue the dialogue.

Helena

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Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009

3:40 PM

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Re: Article on Anxiety

Kavy, I am appalled at your blanket

statement and here’s why:

You cannot, in any shape of form,

determine what will work for someone else, nor can you state what will or will

not “cure” them. You cannot emphatically state that genes

don’t matter; research has not reached that conclusion.

Please,

Helena

From: ACT_for_the_Public

[mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On

Behalf Of Kavy

Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009

3:03 PM

To: ACT_for_the_Public

Subject: Re:

Article on Anxiety

Maybe so,

but if you successfully follow the Open Focus technique, it will cure it

completely. Genes don't matter.

Kavy

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