okay where is everyone today? Progesterone problem again

[Guest guest]

wELL Im' totally confused NOW because I have always used P to STOP

my bleeding. Depending on how much E I was using, I would raise my

P; otherwise, I would start to bleed. That is what I was told.

Now what I intend to do from here on out is only do P 14 days a

month. I've had it with this P! It kills my immune system for

whatever reason. My body wants to bleed, so let it bleed! You have

no problems with bleeding using P 50 mg a night? I'm using

Prochieve vaginal P gel 45 mgs a night and it's not helping with my

bleeding. I'm not using much P at all!

>

> I've never used Crinone. I use the P suppositories from Masters,

cut into

> quarters. That gives me 50 mg/night for 10 days/month. If you

were to use

> P every day, I would imagine you'd use about half that vaginally.

, I

> think you are using too much P. I use P to start a bleed, not to

stop it.

>

> Val

>

[Guest guest]

Why 14 days a month? Ten days is adequate.

When I was on SL tri-est and 100 mg micronized P capsules, I was bleeding. The pharmacist said I need to increase the P to 200 mg. I did that and bled even more. At the end of five months of bleeding, crying hell, I got a hormone check. P was 26 and E was <15 (nearly zero). I dumped that routine and went to Estrogel 1.5 mg/day and 50 mg P suppository for 5 days every three months. Barely bled but got hyperplasia from that.

Now, I use 2.25 mg Estrogel and 50 mg P suppository for 10 days/month. That produces a good bleed. When I get another ultrasound, if it is good, I will use the P suppository every two months. We really don't know if P is any better for us than progestins. There has really been no research to support that it has a less negative effect on breast cancer than progestins. The WHI found that E alone probably does not increase BC but that the addition of progestins caused a rise in BC. Right now, I'm on Day 7 of P and breasts are very sore.

I stop the Estrogel during bleeds, for about 5 - 6 days. When I start it back up, I have spotting for 2 - 3 days until my E level gets built back up.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of wELL Im' totally confused NOW because I have always used P to STOP my bleeding. Depending on how much E I was using, I would raise my P; otherwise, I would start to bleed. That is what I was told. Now what I intend to do from here on out is only do P 14 days a month. I've had it with this P! It kills my immune system for whatever reason. My body wants to bleed, so let it bleed! You have no problems with bleeding using P 50 mg a night? I'm using Prochieve vaginal P gel 45 mgs a night and it's not helping with my bleeding. I'm not using much P at all!

[Guest guest]

I don't know I just remember from my old days of cycling that my

doctor used to make me take P from Day 14 to 28 of my cycle. One

thing's for sure, taking P every day is not going over big for me.

Now my doctor has ordered 200 mg P supositories. I don't think my

body likes sublinguals. Maybe this will make a difference because

it is vaginal? I'm worried about bi-est though. Maybe I can get

her to change it to estradiol only. And tell me, how did you do the

hormone check? Blood or saliva? I'm going for bloodwork next week.

And also, when I was on Wiley, my P level NEVER went up! And I

applied all the shit on my arm!

>

> Why 14 days a month? Ten days is adequate.

>

> When I was on SL tri-est and 100 mg micronized P capsules, I was

bleeding.

> The pharmacist said I need to increase the P to 200 mg. I did

that and bled

> even more. At the end of five months of bleeding, crying hell, I

got a

> hormone check. P was 26 and E was <15 (nearly zero). I dumped

that routine

> and went to Estrogel 1.5 mg/day and 50 mg P suppository for 5 days

every

> three months. Barely bled but got hyperplasia from that.

>

> Now, I use 2.25 mg Estrogel and 50 mg P suppository for 10

days/month. That

> produces a good bleed. When I get another ultrasound, if it is

good, I will

> use the P suppository every two months. We really don't know if P

is any

> better for us than progestins. There has really been no research

to support

> that it has a less negative effect on breast cancer than

progestins. The

> WHI found that E alone probably does not increase BC but that the

addition

> of progestins caused a rise in BC. Right now, I'm on Day 7 of P

and breasts

> are very sore.

>

> I stop the Estrogel during bleeds, for about 5 - 6 days. When I

start it

> back up, I have spotting for 2 - 3 days until my E level gets

built back up.

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

I think 200 mg vaginal P is about equal to 800 mg oral P. I think she's trying to kill you!

My tests were blood.

For cyclical dosing,

200 mg oral P for 10 - 12 days/month

45 - 50 mg vaginal P for 10 - 12 days/month

For all-the-time-dosing

100 mg oral P every day

??? mg vaginal P every day. (I'm guessing about 20 - 25 mg)

As I said before, SL tri-est gave me NO estradiol.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of I don't know I just remember from my old days of cycling that my doctor used to make me take P from Day 14 to 28 of my cycle. One thing's for sure, taking P every day is not going over big for me. Now my doctor has ordered 200 mg P supositories. I don't think my body likes sublinguals. Maybe this will make a difference because it is vaginal? I'm worried about bi-est though. Maybe I can get her to change it to estradiol only. And tell me, how did you do the hormone check? Blood or saliva? I'm going for bloodwork next week. And also, when I was on Wiley, my P level NEVER went up! And I applied all the shit on my arm!

[Guest guest]

The WHI found that E alone probably does not increase BC but that the

addition of progestins caused a rise in BC.

> Val

>

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Honestly, the WHI needs to start over again. They did the study on

women in their late 60s?? How stupid is that? FYI, many gynos are

giving their patients these combi-patches w/progestins telling them

they are safe.

To all doctors anywhere, their mantra is that unopposed E causes cancer

of the uterus. Period. Is there any study out there relating to

US?? I don't know what I'm doing. And neither do my doctors!

[Guest guest]

We do know that unopposed estrogen does lead to hyperplasia. Hyperplasia can lead to uterine cancer. Therefore, it is necessary to use progesterone to prevent the hyperplasia.

What is limited is any information about the use of progesterone instead of progestins. Also limited is long-term information about bio-identical estrogen as opposed to horse urine.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of The WHI found that E alone probably does not increase BC but that the addition of progestins caused a rise in BC. > ValHonestly, the WHI needs to start over again. They did the study on women in their late 60s?? How stupid is that? FYI, many gynos are giving their patients these combi-patches w/progestins telling them they are safe. To all doctors anywhere, their mantra is that unopposed E causes cancer of the uterus. Period. Is there any study out there relating to US?? I don't know what I'm doing. And neither do my doctors!

[Guest guest]

according to my fertility doc vaginal is 5 or more times more potent than oral -Valarie wrote: I think 200 mg vaginal P is about equal to 800 mg oral P. I think she's trying to kill you! My tests were blood. For cyclical dosing, 200 mg oral P for 10 - 12 days/month 45 - 50 mg vaginal P for 10 - 12 days/month For all-the-time-dosing 100 mg oral P every day ??? mg vaginal P every day. (I'm guessing about 20 - 25 mg) As I said before, SL tri-est gave me NO

estradiol. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of I don't know I just remember from my old days of cycling that my doctor used to make me take P from Day 14 to 28 of my cycle. One thing's for sure, taking P every day is not going over big for me. Now my doctor has ordered 200 mg P supositories. I don't think my body likes sublinguals. Maybe this will make a difference because it is vaginal? I'm worried about bi-est though. Maybe I can get her to change it to estradiol only. And tell me, how did you do the hormone check? Blood or saliva? I'm going for bloodwork next week. And also, when I was on Wiley, my P level

NEVER went up! And I applied all the shit on my arm!

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[Guest guest]

So 's 200 mg vaginal P is equal to 1000 oral P? Now I really do think her doc is trying to kill her.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Cremin

according to my fertility doc vaginal is 5 or more times more potent than oral

-

[Guest guest]

i was put on 400mg of vaginal P once...200mg am and 200mg pm...that's the standard prescription rate for girls trying to get pregnant i did it for 1 day and almost died..then next 2 days i did 200mg vaginally and 100mg orally, and felt the worst i've ever felt in my life...then i did 100mg vaginal and 100mg oral..and still felt terrible..not till i got to 150mg oral i felt better..feel bad as in acne outbreak, hairloss...cold sore on my lip..aggression..hot flashes at night and inability to sleep...the next 2 months was P detox... -J.Valarie wrote: So 's 200 mg vaginal P is equal to 1000 oral P? Now I really do think her doc is trying

to kill her. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Cremin according to my fertility doc vaginal is 5 or more times more potent than oral -

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[Guest guest]

I am using OOP

transdermal every day. I am down to 1 drop per day. ( 8 drops = 50mg) I do not

bleed with that amount. I have used P in many different forms. I agree they all

register differently.

nne

I think 200 mg vaginal P is about equal to

800 mg oral P. I think she's trying to kill you!

My tests were blood.

For cyclical dosing,

200 mg oral P for 10 - 12 days/month

45 - 50 mg vaginal P for 10 - 12

days/month

For all-the-time-dosing

100 mg oral P every day

??? mg vaginal P every day. (I'm

guessing about 20 - 25 mg)

As I said before, SL tri-est gave me NO

estradiol.

Val

[Guest guest]

Yes we do know FIRST HAND that unopposed E leads to hyperplasia,

don't we? Well they need to get moving on more studies that are

actually USEFUL to us. They are still endangering women with their

drugs!

>

> We do know that unopposed estrogen does lead to hyperplasia.

Hyperplasia

> can lead to uterine cancer. Therefore, it is necessary to use

progesterone

> to prevent the hyperplasia.

>

> What is limited is any information about the use of progesterone

instead of

> progestins. Also limited is long-term information about bio-

identical

> estrogen as opposed to horse urine.

> Val

>

>

[Guest guest]

she consulted with the pharmacist about it! He gives up to 600 mg

vaginal P. He told her that you get less systemic problems with

it. I actually do get less problems. I don't get the neck pain and

joint pain when I use vaginal P. This is temporary - just until the

bleeding stops. I used 75 mg of the sublingual P and I was in pain!

And it did NOT stop the bleeding. But last night I used my 8%

crinone (the 90mg) and I'm STILL bleeding. Apparently it's not high

enough.

And I'm not taking triest - but biest. But still it's barely any

estradiol I know.

>

> I think 200 mg vaginal P is about equal to 800 mg oral P. I think

she's

> trying to kill you!

>

> My tests were blood.

>

> For cyclical dosing,

> 200 mg oral P for 10 - 12 days/month

> 45 - 50 mg vaginal P for 10 - 12 days/month

>

> For all-the-time-dosing

> 100 mg oral P every day

> ??? mg vaginal P every day. (I'm guessing about 20 - 25 mg)

>

> As I said before, SL tri-est gave me NO estradiol.

>

> Val

>

[Guest guest]

Apparently, the DHEA was doing SOMEthing with my E hormone

receptors! I am certainly fluctuating big time. I'm flashing a LOT

but I have gone back to my 5 mg dose of sublingual E again. So

maybe this will help the flashes. I am TIRED as hell though. I

don't think I can live without the DHEA. I just think 5 mg is too

low also.

M

>

> , did you go back on the DHEA? Why not stop for a while. Then

add more E

> and see what happens? You could be fluctuating right now coming

off the

> DHEA.

>

> Liz

>

> _____

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Maybe if you get your E up your energy levels will go up to. I know mine did.

Liz

Apparently, the DHEA was doing SOMEthing with my E hormone receptors! I am certainly fluctuating big time. I'm flashing a LOT but I have gone back to my 5 mg dose of sublingual E again. So maybe this will help the flashes. I am TIRED as hell though. I don't think I can live without the DHEA. I just think 5 mg is too low also. M

[Guest guest]

Well this has been the million-dollar question. How do I GET my E

up? It hasn't worked with creams, or OO. So I was happy enough

with the DHEA doing the job. But then the bleeding problems

started. But even though I was bleeding, I still had a LOW E serum!

Perhaps after I stay on the sublingual E at 5 mg a day without DHEA

for awhile, it will work.

>

> ,

>

> Maybe if you get your E up your energy levels will go up to. I

know mine

> did.

>

> Liz

>

> _____

>

[Guest guest]

Or go up on your E. I know when I started the WP, I was on a patch. My E was 32 or something like that. As soon as I went to the stardard WP- 8mgs a day, it was like night and day. Hot flashes went away. It took a couple of weeks. BUT I don't have a uterus, so no bleeding to worry about. My E on the first blood draw was like 99.

Liz

Well this has been the million-dollar question. How do I GET my E up? It hasn't worked with creams, or OO. So I was happy enough with the DHEA doing the job. But then the bleeding problems started. But even though I was bleeding, I still had a LOW E serum! Perhaps after I stay on the sublingual E at 5 mg a day without DHEA for awhile, it will work.

[Guest guest]

Diane Petoskey is good with getting estrogen levels up with nutrition and

supplements and herbs. And how to use or not use DHEA.

Re: okay where is everyone today? Progesterone

problem again

>

> Well this has been the million-dollar question. How do I GET my E

> up? It hasn't worked with creams, or OO. So I was happy enough

> with the DHEA doing the job. But then the bleeding problems

> started. But even though I was bleeding, I still had a LOW E serum!

> Perhaps after I stay on the sublingual E at 5 mg a day without DHEA

> for awhile, it will work.

>

>

>