Re: Just wondering...

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>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I just wondered what the optimum dose was to stop progression of ms?

> Am I okay at 3mg, or should I be working up to 4.5 and staying there?

> Also my whole body feels numb now. It's almost like, anywhere I touch,

> it has a strange/numb feeling. It's hard to tell if its my hands and

> fingers that feel strange/numb or all of me. Does anyone know why I am

> experiancing this and when does it go away?

>

> Thanks

>

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For some people it takes the full optimum dose of 4.5mg to halt the progression

of their MS for others it only takes 3.0mg. Dr. Bihari prefers it better if one

can take 4.5mg but if problems persist for more than 3 months then one may need

to back down on dosage.

stay at 3.0mg for awhile till your body adjusts to that and then try

going up on dosage again later.

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Okay thank you I will! I just phoned my script in awhile ago.

Next month I will call to get a script with the dosage increase. I am

thinking that maybe liquid is the way to go? I'm not sure how much the

liquid costs but it would be alot easier to play with the dose. No?

Thanks again!

>

> For some people it takes the full optimum dose of 4.5mg to halt the

progression of their MS for others it only takes 3.0mg. Dr. Bihari

prefers it better if one can take 4.5mg but if problems persist for

more than 3 months then one may need to back down on dosage.

>

> stay at 3.0mg for awhile till your body adjusts to that and

then try going up on dosage again later.

>

>

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, Saline should help you heal and avoid further infection. If you make your own saline solution, be sure to boil the water and salt, then keep it in a sterile jar. . . Otherwise, buy sterile saline solution from a pharmacy. .. Don't just mix salt and water from the tap or bottle. Hugs, Rogene

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It really sounds like you are healing well. It is very important for you to

get as much rest as possible so your body can heal. That one side I would imagine was quite infected, and probably for a long time, and you didnt know it, until it started purging out of your body. It will take awhile to heal, but sounds like it is coming right along, and it is good there is no odor to the drainage. The saline washes will help it heal too.

How many kids? How old? You have your hands full, huh? Just please, take it easy, and rest all you can.

Hugs N Prayers ~

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Hiya's Dede,

The discharge at first was kinda I guess brownish/orange not very

bright either. Now it's more like a very very light brown and

occasionally just a very light yellow. Nah there's no odor. I'm on

antibiotics, I had some from the Emergency room in Va. and then my dr

here prescribed me some also, which I just started taking cuz the

other ones are done. Not sure if the dr. did any labwork on the

implants but will ask him at my next appointment. He didn't do any

lab on the infection this time, about 2 years ago he did lab work and

nothing abnormal (at least that's what I was told) came back. Thanks

for the info on the salt water. No haven't had fever, but yesterday I

kept getting either really hot or really cold but that has stopped

now. The hole now is smaller than a dime, when I first had the hole

it was bigger than a quarter.

>

> Hello ~

> I am glad you wrote in here, I have been praying for you

> and wondering how you were doing.

> What color is the discharge draining from your breast?

> Is there any odor? Are you on an antibiotic? Did the

> doctor do any labwork on your implants or the infection?

> The salt water is to irrigate out any nasties, and the salt

> will help it dry up. Are you having any fever?

> how long is the hole?

> Hugs N Prayers ~Dede

>

>

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Katy,

Hey, thank you for that info, I would feel safer using sterile saline

solution from a store than making it myself. I'll go look for some

today while I'm out paying bills (I'd rather take a nap but gotta pay

some bills lol). Thank goodness it's the weekend, and a long one at

that, my bf can do all the work so I can get some rest. Getting up at

6am to get his kids off to school has been killing me, and if I take a

nap during the day sometimes it's harder to fall asleep at night but

if I don't take the nap I feel completely drained.

Thanks,

>

> > I got my implants out oh...about 1 week and a half

> > ago i guess almost

> > two weeks now and the last couple of days i've been

> > extremely tired.

> > Two days ago I slept all day and just couldn't get

> > up I was so tired,

> > and I'm even taking vitamins, drinking lots of water

> > etc...I've also

> > started trying to do more around the house, is that

> > a no-no?

> >

> > My check up Monday went ok I guess, dr says the

> > stitches on the left

> > look great, healing very well. The rash etc that I

> > had on my right

> > side (where the hole is STILL open) is gone and it's

> > looking better

> > and I'm having a lot less discharge now, the hole is

> > also closing up a

> > little now. The dr. told me to make my own saline,

> > gave me a syringe

> > (no needle) told me to fill the syringe with the

> > saline I make and

> > flush out the hole?!? I haven't done it yet cuz

> > that just sounds

> > crazy and plus I'm scared to do it myself lol...wont

> > the salt burn?

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Patty,

Thanks for the info! I'm going to have to repeat or show my bf all

these posts lol, he doesn't understand all this much. I honestly was

hoping, get them out, heal up, push myself to get better and then I

can start working somewhere with benefits so I can go to other doctors

to make sure everything is getting better. But right now it doesn't

seem like it will happen as quickly as I want it to lol. Since I was

having MS symptoms, and had my implants for about 4 years, could I

still possibly have MS, since I had my implants for so long? Or was

that all just from the implants?!? Another reason I want a job with

benefits, to make sure that I don't already just have MS and that the

implants were just making everything worse .

Thanks again,

> I got my implants out oh...about 1 week and a half ago i

guess almost

> two weeks now and the last couple of days i've been extremely tired.

> Two days ago I slept all day and just couldn't get up I was so tired,

> and I'm even taking vitamins, drinking lots of water etc...I've also

> started trying to do more around the house, is that a no-no?

>

> My check up Monday went ok I guess, dr says the stitches on the left

> look great, healing very well. The rash etc that I had on my right

> side (where the hole is STILL open) is gone and it's looking better

> and I'm having a lot less discharge now, the hole is also closing up a

> little now. The dr. told me to make my own saline, gave me a syringe

> (no needle) told me to fill the syringe with the saline I make and

> flush out the hole?!? I haven't done it yet cuz that just sounds

> crazy and plus I'm scared to do it myself lol...wont the salt burn?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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, You haven't had time for your body to do it's repair work yet . . . I know it's easier said than done . . . but if you can do the mental gymnastics necessary to drop the stress and find your calm center, your body will have more energy for healing. Think of it as having a deep cut . . . the object that made the cut is gone (implants are gone) . . . Now the body needs time to heal the tissues. Sometimes the cut is deep and takes longer to heal. Keep giving your body the raw materials (nutrients, rest, supplements) it needs. If you'll keep a daily journal of all you are doing and how you feel, when you hit those temporary plateaus where it feels like you're going nowhere, you'll be able to look back and see how far you've come. Hugs and prayers, Rogene

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, If you'll listen to your body and rest when it asks to do so, you'll do much better! . .. Don't push yourself beyond what feels comfortable. Naps are good when you need them! If you're afraid of sleeping so long you won't sleep at night, set a timer. Hugs, Rogene

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>

> ,

>

> If you'll listen to your body and rest when it asks to do so,

you'll do much better! . .. Don't push yourself beyond what feels

comfortable. Naps are good when you need them! If you're afraid of

sleeping so long you won't sleep at night, set a timer.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

Hello I'm new here. I just got my Implants out about 2 weeks ago. I

feel a little better but I was wondering what kind of Detox i should

use.

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Hi River, Welcome to ! I'm glad to hear your implants are out and you're ready to heal! Do you know for sure the capsules were removed? Since most women have systemic fungal/yeast/Candida problems after breast implants, that's where I would start. Here's a free test you can do at home: http://www.victorie-inc.us/Threelac_Candida_Free_Test.htm Assuming you have a problem, read the book "The Yeast Connection" . . .That will help you understand how many problems fungal organisms can cause. . . . Then read "The Maker's Diet" . . . This will help you develop a plan for restoring your digestive system so you can get the proper nutrients from your food. . . .Until your digestive system is healthy, taking a bunch of supplement is by large a

waste of money. Then, there are numerous other detox programs. Many are described in our archive section under "Files" and "Links". . . . Among them are coffee enemas, fasting, liver/gall bladder flushes, FAR infared therapy, massage, ionic foot baths, diet, supplements, etc. You may want to get your adrenal functioning checked out . . . and check to see if you are gluten intolerant. . . or hypersensitive to silicone. It's all very overwhelming when you first start learning about all this . . . So, I'd suggest taking a deep breath, and make a plan. Don't try to do too much at one time. Start each program slowly so you'll know how you feel and what difference it's making. You'll likely encounter something called a "Herx" where, when you start detoxing your symptoms will become temporarily worse. . . You'll come to appreciate this because you'll know

you hit the target with the program you're working. The trick is to keep the herxes from becoming so bad that they become a deterrent to detoxing. It will help if you keep a journal of what you're doing and how you feel. Sometimes we forget what we did to feel better - or worse. The journal will help you when you hit plateaus and feel that you're getting no where . . . You'll be able to look back and see how much progress you're actually making. We've got a wonderful group of ladies here who have tried just about everything! . . . We can tell you what to expect and what it did for us. . . .We want to see all women overcome their implant experience and join our growing army of women who are warning everyone about the dangers of breast implants. I hope you didn't have any children while implanted. . . I started a group for the families of the offspring of implanted women .

.. . The problems the children are dealing with are harder to overcome than those of the women. Hugs and prayers, Rogene

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Hi, Unfortunately, there is not a "one size fits all" answer to this question. Detoxing can take many different avenues, which you should become familiar with, and plan your own healing program based on what you are comfortable with and what your particular needs are. Generally, there are two sides to the coin, which you should pursue simultaneously: 1) Stop putting toxin in the body, and 2) Help the body purge what is already there. We have a list of detoxing therapies in our files section, so you may want to look over it to get an idea of the different things that can be done to detox. The file can be found here, under "HOW DO I DETOX?" /files/FREQUENTLY%20ASKED%20QUESTIONS/ I think you find this very helpful, but please continue to ask questions. Congratulations on your explant...did you have a total capsulectomy with drains? Were you experiencing many symptoms? Pattyriverloganmontiel <riverloganmontiel@...> wrote: Hello I'm new here. I just got my

Implants out about 2 weeks ago. I feel a little better but I was wondering what kind of Detox i should use.

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>

> Hello I'm new here. I just got my Implants out about 2 weeks ago. I

> feel a little better but I was wondering what kind of Detox i

should

> use.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I had Drains? My Dr. did it right in his office it took 10 min. He

also was every helpful he did it for free for me. I'm just glad that

they are out. I had symptoms start about 6 month into having them

went throuh alot of test and everything come back good. I told my

husband that I thought it was my implants he said no. I had them in

for other year and findly I told him that i was getting them out and

did it. I had mine in for 2 years.

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>

> Hi River,

>

> Welcome to !

>

> I'm glad to hear your implants are out and you're ready to heal!

>

> Do you know for sure the capsules were removed?

>

> Since most women have systemic fungal/yeast/Candida problems

after breast implants, that's where I would start. Here's a free test

you can do at home: http://www.victorie-

inc.us/Threelac_Candida_Free_Test.htm

>

> Assuming you have a problem, read the book " The Yeast

Connection " . . .That will help you understand how many problems

fungal organisms can cause. . . . Then read " The Maker's Diet " . . .

This will help you develop a plan for restoring your digestive system

so you can get the proper nutrients from your food. . . .Until your

digestive system is healthy, taking a bunch of supplement is by large

a waste of money.

>

> Then, there are numerous other detox programs. Many are described

in our archive section under " Files " and " Links " . . . . Among them

are coffee enemas, fasting, liver/gall bladder flushes, FAR infared

therapy, massage, ionic foot baths, diet, supplements, etc.

>

> You may want to get your adrenal functioning checked out . . .

and check to see if you are gluten intolerant. . . or hypersensitive

to silicone.

>

> It's all very overwhelming when you first start learning about

all this . . . So, I'd suggest taking a deep breath, and make a plan.

Don't try to do too much at one time. Start each program slowly so

you'll know how you feel and what difference it's making.

>

> You'll likely encounter something called a " Herx " where, when you

start detoxing your symptoms will become temporarily worse. . .

You'll come to appreciate this because you'll know you hit the target

with the program you're working. The trick is to keep the herxes from

becoming so bad that they become a deterrent to detoxing.

>

> It will help if you keep a journal of what you're doing and how

you feel. Sometimes we forget what we did to feel better - or worse.

The journal will help you when you hit plateaus and feel that you're

getting no where . . . You'll be able to look back and see how much

progress you're actually making.

>

> We've got a wonderful group of ladies here who have tried just

about everything! . . . We can tell you what to expect and what it

did for us. . . .We want to see all women overcome their implant

experience and join our growing army of women who are warning

everyone about the dangers of breast implants.

>

> I hope you didn't have any children while implanted. . . I

started a group for the families of the offspring of implanted

women . . . The problems the children are dealing with are harder to

overcome than those of the women.

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

Thank you for all the info. I got the implants after my kids. It is a

little hard to know that implants can cause all this problems.

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River . . . I can't think of anyone who would get breast implants if they knew all the problems they may encounter! . .. The medical professions chose to be deaf, dumb and blind! That puts money in the bank! Hugs, Rogene

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Hi Yes, it does seem difficult to correllate all of these problems with our implants, but we've seen so many women come here to our group with the same issues over and over again, usually after implantation, that we know these are not isolated incidences. Further proof comes when women get their health back after implant removal. Through the years, we've learned some important steps that need to be taken for healing to have the best chance. When these steps are taken, we see women getting healthy again, and see blood tests go from abnormal back to normal. That is how we know that the implants are doing these things. There have been some amazing recoveries. That is why we give hope, because we know it can be done. Pattyriverloganmontiel <riverloganmontiel@...> wrote: Thank you for all the info. I got the implants after my kids. It is a little hard to know that implants can cause all this problems. .

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It is a good feeling to have those toxic time bombs gone, isn't it? I am a bit concerned about your removal procedure. The way yours was done is what we generally caution against on this group. My doctor offered to remove mine for free too, but I declined because I knew I needed to get those capsules out. Your doctor did what most plastic surgeons do when removing implants. They just pop them out of your breasts, but leave the capsules. The capsules themselves can cause problems, so you may need to consider another surgery to get those capsules out. How are your symptoms now? Have you seen any improvements since removal? What symptoms did you have? We can help you with detoxing and getting better, which you should definitely try to do. The big question is whether or not you will see any progress with the capsules left in your body.

Based on the experiences of quite a number of women on this group, you may continue to have symptoms and never fully heal in the same way as if the capsulectomy had been done. I hate to bear that bad news. Just keep it in mind as you try to get better. Some women do seem to heal even with portions of the capsules left inside, perhaps in the short term, but in the long term, there are some questions as to what happens to the capsule over time. It can grow and morph into something different and even calcify and cause concern on mammograms for cancer. You will definitely have to keep that in mind. Patty riverloganmontiel <riverloganmontiel@...> wrote: I had Drains? My Dr. did it right in his office it took 10 min. He also was every helpful he did it for free for me. I'm just glad that they are out. I had symptoms start about 6 month into having them went throuh alot of test and everything come back good. I told my husband that I thought it was my implants he said no. I had them in for other year and findly I told him that i was getting them out and did it. I had mine in for 2 years. .

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>

> River . . .

>

> I can't think of anyone who would get breast implants if they knew

all the problems they may encounter! . .. The medical professions chose

to be deaf, dumb and blind!

>

> That puts money in the bank!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

I know they say they are safe. Just put the money in the bank.

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River, I don't want to upset you . . . but I know I'm going to. If you were symptomatic before explant, your capsules should have been removed when you were explanted - and drains used. There's no way the doctor could have done that in ten minutes - in his office! Think of the capsules that grew around your implants as tissue that contain bacteria that can continue to multiple . . . they can become chronic abcesses that push toxins into your body - making you sicker and sicker. That's not to say you will get sicker! . . . But if you don't start feeling better as you detox, you may need another surgery to remove the capsules. Doctors like to say that women don't get better after explant . . . then leave the capsules behind to prove themselves right! . . We have numerous women here who had to go back a second

time. Hugs and prayers, Rogene

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Kathyrn, I'm glad to hear you are feeling much better! Hopefully your body will settle down with the toxic bags out! . . . Do work the detox programs and see where you go from there. You may feel temporarily worse as you detox - so don't jump to the conclusion it's the capsules! . . . Go slow and steady. You'll soon know how much you can handle. BTW, Dr. Kolb has saline implants herself. She manages to stay healthy and work (very hard). She also has all the detox knowledge at her disposal. Hugs, Rogene

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I can tell you that these symptoms are seen with probiotics on occaission with

others. We have used live refrigerated types and seen this also with our son,

aggression etc. The 3rd attempt we reduced it a lot(much lower than the

recomendation on bottle) and the negative affects was not there. For now we

mostly have just added Dannon yogurt to his diet(I know some cant do that) and

this seems to be working. Then on occaission a very low dose of the live form!

Now as your DAN mentioned die off can occur. Also have you consider magnesium

orally along with the topical. This could help in calming him, magnesium is a

natural calmer! These symptoms are reported with yeast die off, we personally

havent experienced this(yeast die off)! I am curious? Did you mean nystatin, not

nyastin? And if so, can you explain to me the need for both diflucan and

nystatin? Have you considered more natural for the fungal/yeast like OLE

etc.(this treats both and viral issues

also), especially if he is having troubles with the script forms? To much

diflucan can cause odd behaiviours, spacey, behaiviour ect. maybe ask doctor if

you should lower the dosage and take it from there. Vitamin D should not have

any problems, just be cautious on not overdoing it(stay with recommendations), D

does not excrete from the body, although very much needed, especially if not

much sun! Jennie<><

From: Carla Dexter <cdexter0325@...>

Subject: Just Wondering...

Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:46 PM

HI

As I mentioned in an earlier post, we just received our protocol. And I am

just wondering if what I am seeing is die off....

I began Logan on the prescribed Diflucan (bad yeast was 12% higher than

normal, with no good yeast) on Sunday, July 27 while continuing his enzymes

(Trienza).

July 31, I added in a probiotic 2x per day.

This past Sunday, I added 2 drops of vitamin D.

Logan has been very stimmy (especially verbal), showing some tantrums

(school actually called, which they NEVER do!), a little spacey and he is

eating erratically.

I have also been using magnesium cream 2 - 3 times per day.

On the other hand, I have seen some very small gains...at times more back

and forth conversation, telling us what happened at school, joining in on

family/neighborhood games (like baseball) and wanting/asking to play the Wii

with his brothers and us.

We have more meds to give...iron, fish oils, vitamins and minerals and a

round of Nyastin.

Our Dan (Elaine Hardy) said expect it to get worse before better as the

yeast dies out. Is this the bad?

Thank you for your input!

Carla

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HI Dana

The stims etc. began as I started the diflucan...then subsided a bit, but picked

right up , maybe a little worse, when I added the probiotic (Klair Labs

Ther-Biotic Complete - recommended by my DAN).

I thought that the Vitamin D didn't cause any reactions since the body

uses/needs it anyway? Please explain.

Thanks.

Carla

Re: Just Wondering...

> I began Logan on the prescribed Diflucan (bad yeast was 12% higher than

> normal, with no good yeast) on Sunday, July 27 while continuing his

enzymes

> (Trienza).

> July 31, I added in a probiotic 2x per day.

> This past Sunday, I added 2 drops of vitamin D.

> Logan has been very stimmy (especially verbal), showing some tantrums

> (school actually called, which they NEVER do!), a little spacey and

he is

> eating erratically.

If this occurred on the timeline you just wrote, I would drop the

Vitamin D and see if that helps things.

Which probiotic? You can consider dropping that one also.

Dana