Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 Carmel, LDN and narcotics are NOT compatible. Regards, Tom [low dose naltrexone] Narcotics & LDN > Does anyone know the answer to this? My 17 year old daughter, who is > on LDN, is also taking narcotics for extreme muscle pain and severe > headaches. (She has no diagnosis yet for her illness, but she can no > longer walk.) I called the compounding pharmacy to ask about the two > cancelling each other out, and the pharmacist said LDN only cancelled > out the narcotic and not vice versa. She is definitely not better, > and the muscle pain is worse on LDN. We are willing to keep doing it, > but does anyone have an opinion on what the pharmacist told me? > Thanks! > Carmel > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 --- In low dose naltrexone , " clozano2001 " <clozano2001@y...> wrote: > > Does anyone know the answer to this? My 17 year old daughter, who is > on LDN, is also taking narcotics for extreme muscle pain and severe > headaches. (She has no diagnosis yet for her illness, but she can no > longer walk.) I called the compounding pharmacy to ask about the two > cancelling each other out, and the pharmacist said LDN only cancelled > out the narcotic and not vice versa. She is definitely not better, > and the muscle pain is worse on LDN. We are willing to keep doing it, > but does anyone have an opinion on what the pharmacist told me? > Thanks! > Carmel > ====== Carmel...this is what Dr. Lawrence from the United Kingdom who has MS himself & uses LDN has to say about LDN & narcotic drugs, the full text is way down below this cut out...From Dr. Lawrence(Rarely, other transient symptoms have included more severe pain and spasm, headache, diarrhea or vomiting. These additional symptoms would appear to be associated with the previous frequent use of strong analgesics, which effectively create an addiction and dependency, thus increasing the body's sensitivity to pain. This temporary increase in symptoms may also perhaps be explained when we consider the manner in which this drug is expected to work. In addition, because LDN will also block the analgesic effects of any opiate drugs (includes codeine, dihydrocodeine, morphine, pethidine or diamorphine) presently being taken, the use of LDN will initially greatly increase the level of pain experienced. It is therefore advisable that any opiate-like drugs be discontinued at least two weeks before this treatment is initiated. When starting the treatment it is essential that any untoward or adverse side-effects are reported immediately so that the treatment process can be further assessed and, if necessary, modified). ========== The full text below... For those of you in the first 3 months of LDN therapy Dr. Bob Lawrence from the UK who has MS & uses LDN himself explains why the temporary increase in MS symptoms. When starting this LDN(Low Dose Naltrexone) therapy in the treatment of MS, there may also be some initial transient, though temporary, increase in MS symptoms. Experience in using this method has demonstrated most commonly, such as disturbed sleep, occasionally with vivid, bizarre and disturbing dreams, tiredness, fatigue, spasm and pain. These increased symptoms would not normally be expected to last more than seven to ten days. Rarely, other transient symptoms have included more severe pain and spasm, headache, diarrhea or vomiting. These additional symptoms would appear to be associated with the previous frequent use of strong analgesics, which effectively create an addiction and dependency, thus increasing the body's sensitivity to pain. This temporary increase in symptoms may also perhaps be explained when we consider the manner in which this drug is expected to work. In addition, because LDN will also block the analgesic effects of any opiate drugs (includes codeine, dihydrocodeine, morphine, pethidine or diamorphine) presently being taken, the use of LDN will initially greatly increase the level of pain experienced. It is therefore advisable that any opiate-like drugs be discontinued at least two weeks before this treatment is initiated. When starting the treatment it is essential that any untoward or adverse side-effects are reported immediately so that the treatment process can be further assessed and, if necessary, modified. In addition, because LDN stimulates the immune system and many of the drugs routinely used by the NHS in the treatment of MS further suppress the immune system, LDN cannot be used in company with steroids, beta interferon, methotrexate, azathioprine or mitozantrone or any other immune suppressant drug. If there is any doubt, please submit a full list of the drugs you are presently taking so that their compatibility may be assessed. Initially, MS occurs due to a reduction in the activity of the controlling influence of the suppressor T-cells within the immune system. During an acute relapse, the overall number of T-cells is reduced, the normal balance of helper T-cells and suppressor T-cells is disrupted and the damaging helper (CD-4) T-cells tend to predominate. This is the situation most pronounced during an acute relapse but occurs similarly, but to a lesser extent, in chronic progressive MS. Under the influence of LDN there will be an expected increase in the overall numbers of T-cells but, because the CD-4, helper T-cells tend to predominate at this time, an increase in their numbers will expectedly tend to increase MS symptoms. It is only when the numbers of suppressor T-cells effectively catch up that the normal balance is restored and symptoms once again diminish and improve. Dr. M R Lawrence posted by: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 My wife uses LDN for MS with good results but we had the problem of conflicting meds and had to switch her to electronic pain control before we could get LDN to work reliably. I have put a link to the one we used initially, although she has now moved to permanent magnets simulating PEMF which is even more effective for her back problem. Just another thought as to how you could move forward still using LDN if that is what you want to do. There are a lot of electronic devises out there and unfortunately although there are lots of theories as to what works for what the only real answer seems to be trial an error, but at least none of them are as dangerous as drugs so you do survive to try a different one if your first choice does not work. The one we used offers a trail period scheme so that you can return it with only a small retention from the purchase price if it does not work for your problem. http://www.remediuk.com Dave From: "clozano2001" <clozano2001@...><low dose naltrexone >Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:18 PMSubject: [low dose naltrexone] Narcotics & LDN> Does anyone know the answer to this? My 17 year old daughter, who is> on LDN, is also taking narcotics for extreme muscle pain and severe> headaches. (She has no diagnosis yet for her illness, but she can no> longer walk.) I called the compounding pharmacy to ask about the two> cancelling each other out, and the pharmacist said LDN only cancelled> out the narcotic and not vice versa. She is definitely not better,> and the muscle pain is worse on LDN. We are willing to keep doing it,> but does anyone have an opinion on what the pharmacist told me?> Thanks!> Carmel> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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