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NO! Do not waive co-pays or deductibles!

It is not only illegal, it is highly illegal to waive deductibles. The

insurers will cancel your contract and Uncle Sam will do nastier things!

it is also poor business since it will be considered income " received " by

your clinic, hence taxable.

It is always best in the long run -- and the short run,too -- to play by the

rules.

We can get in trouble trying to " help " our patients in such matters.

" The road to Hell is paved with good intentions! "

Lucy Buckley PT

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Dear Lynn Fu (AKA drpepper819@...),

A few words as a professional courtesy:

1.) You have posted your message anonymously, but it would appear that

cyperspace has noted your identify, or at least the identity of the email

profile that you used. Please be aware of that, and the potential risk to

your clinic that this has perhaps presented.

2.) If you truely have an anonymous message contact the listserve owner at

ptmanager.com (pkovacek@...) and confer with him about posting such

a message to the list and the circumstances under which it permissable.

3) The owner of your clinic should consult the managed care plans in

question related to policies on waiver of co-pay and deductibles as an out of

network provider.

4) If you are a Medicare provider please be advised of Medicare rules and

regulations on this issue. The Physician Practice Compliance Report recently

published an article dealing with this topic and how one clinic established a

policy and procedure on waiving co-pays and deductibles under hardship:

which is permissable by Medicare.

Members on this listservice have a lot to offer and share in the rehab

community, please appraise yourself of the rules of courtesy associated with

this list and you will find that members are willing to share and help.

Best Regards

Beckley

Bloomingdale Consulting Group, In

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Unless I have had my head in the sand, I don't see where this is an issue.

The collection of the deductible is between the facility and the patient.

If the facility chooses to take a lesser payment for the care of the

patient, that is their choice. The Insurance Co./HMO doesn't pay any more

than they have committed to, the patient pays less and it is the facility

that " loses revenue. "

Mickey Bonk, MBA, PT

Director, Rehab Services

Children's Memorial Hospital

773/880-8370

deductible/co-payment

Hi, everyone:

I am a new grad therapist working for an outpatient

clinic. I noticed that a lot of the patients at the

clinic have high deductibles because we are not the

in-network provider. Is it legal for the company to

waive their deductible and/or co-payment?

Thank you for any leads. Since this is a touchy

issue, I am posting this message anonymously, sorry

about that.

Anonymous.

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I think you need to be very careful with this. If you review your

third-party regs (i.e. Medicare) you may find that they specifically

preclude this type of action. They expect that any " discounting " of rates

for services be done prior to billing them (Medicare) for the service. They

do not allow for routine forgiving of the patient's co-pay, and do expect a

facility to attempt to collect the full co-pay.

SK

Pt Care Coordinator

RehabCenter @ RWMC

deductible/co-payment

Hi, everyone:

I am a new grad therapist working for an outpatient

clinic. I noticed that a lot of the patients at the

clinic have high deductibles because we are not the

in-network provider. Is it legal for the company to

waive their deductible and/or co-payment?

Thank you for any leads. Since this is a touchy

issue, I am posting this message anonymously, sorry

about that.

Anonymous.

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I believe you as a facility can not alter the agreement of the copay that is

between the insurer and insuree.

Jeffery R. Weiss

Allegheny Valley Hospital

>>> drpepper819@... 07/21/00 08:46AM >>>

Hi, everyone:

I am a new grad therapist working for an outpatient

clinic. I noticed that a lot of the patients at the

clinic have high deductibles because we are not the

in-network provider. Is it legal for the company to

waive their deductible and/or co-payment?

Thank you for any leads. Since this is a touchy

issue, I am posting this message anonymously, sorry

about that.

Anonymous.

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The routine waiving of copays and deductibles with Federal Insurance plans is

federal fraud. The waiving of copays and

deductibles for other insurance plans is also likely fraudulent particularly if

it is done without after the insurance company

has been billed.

lynn fu wrote:

> Hi, everyone:

>

> I am a new grad therapist working for an outpatient

> clinic. I noticed that a lot of the patients at the

> clinic have high deductibles because we are not the

> in-network provider. Is it legal for the company to

> waive their deductible and/or co-payment?

>

> Thank you for any leads. Since this is a touchy

> issue, I am posting this message anonymously, sorry

> about that.

>

> Anonymous.

>

> __________________________________________________

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It is a significant issue. From the payer's perspective, waiving the deductible is in effect reducing the amount charged for the service. They have agreed to pay a % of the charge of service and the patient agrees to pay a % of the charge. If the charge for service has been reduced, the payer then feels, and I would agree, that the amount should reflect a % of this reduced charge.

Sullivan

Division Director, PM & R

Our Lady of the Lake RMC

Baton Rouge, LA

deductible/co-payment

Hi, everyone:

I am a new grad therapist working for an outpatient

clinic. I noticed that a lot of the patients at the

clinic have high deductibles because we are not the

in-network provider. Is it legal for the company to

waive their deductible and/or co-payment?

Thank you for any leads. Since this is a touchy

issue, I am posting this message anonymously, sorry

about that.

Anonymous.

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