Re: For Sam another experiment...

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What exactly are the symptoms you are experiencing?

Sam

Re: For Sam another experiment... WOBENZYME dosing

but what if adrenals are overproducing the hormones...i have some of the

symptoms of adrenal fatigue and some of high cortisol?

-

k9gang@... wrote:

Why not just try some of the adrenal self tests at

www.stopthehtyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info

If you need cortesol, it's best to take " that " , not a substitute.

A lot of us take Cortef (5mg 4 times a day), or Deltacortril/prednisolone

(5mg once a day).

Just a suggestion

Sam

[Guest guest]

hairloss, periods of anxiety, restlessness together with tiredness...insomnia, low sex drive, lack of ovulationSam wrote: What exactly are the symptoms you are experiencing?Sam Re: For Sam another experiment... WOBENZYME dosingbut what if

adrenals are overproducing the hormones...i have some of thesymptoms of adrenal fatigue and some of high cortisol?-k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org wrote:Why not just try some of the adrenal self tests atwww.stopthehtyroidmadness.com/adrenal-infoIf you need cortesol, it's best to take "that", not a substitute.A lot of us take Cortef (5mg 4 times a day), or Deltacortril/prednisolone(5mg once a day).Just a suggestionSam

#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

[Guest guest]

Hairloss - can be from a variety of causes, including iodine deficiency

(resultant poor thyroid function), hormones, diet, etc etc etc...

Periods of Anxiety and retlessness with tiredness, insomnia - these could

be symptoms of weak adrenals/low cortesol. Especially the anxiety and

restlessness. I say that because low cortesol (not enough cortesol) will

not allow T3 receptors to open and whatever thyroid hormones are being

produced will remain in the blood rather than getting in the cells, where

they should be.

Low sex drive, lack of ovulation - also hormonal. Lack of ovulation would

make 'me' think low progesterone. And low progesterone also effects the

adrena ls cauing low cortesol.

I'm glad you listed the symptoms because it does sound more like adrenal

fatigue, not over production of cortesol. I would suggest you try some of

those adrenal self tests at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info

It would be good to know if you need adrenal support. I am definitely on

adrenal support - synthetic time release cortesol Deltacortril

(prednisolone).

Sam

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> hairloss, periods of anxiety, restlessness together with

> tiredness...insomnia, low sex drive, lack of ovulation

>

> Sam wrote:

> What exactly are the symptoms you are experiencing?

>

> Sam

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> Re: For Sam another experiment... WOBENZYME

> dosing

>

> but what if adrenals are overproducing the hormones...i have some of the

> symptoms of adrenal fatigue and some of high cortisol?

>

> -

>

> k9gang@... wrote:

> Why not just try some of the adrenal self tests at

> www.stopthehtyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info

> If you need cortesol, it's best to take " that " , not a substitute.

> A lot of us take Cortef (5mg 4 times a day), or Deltacortril/prednisolone

> (5mg once a day).

>

> Just a suggestion

>

> Sam

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

>

[Guest guest]

thanx Sam..i agree..well my thyroid is ok..i know you'll tell me it could be better...my last TSH is 0.97, both my free T4 and T3 are top of the range...and sushi is the main staple in my diet so i should be fine on iodine. I'd go with the adrenals...i am suspecting as much. I did the tests from www.feelingFFF.com. I bought a book and scheduled an appointment with Dr. Shames, although not till mid october. Good doc is on vacations while i am spending sleepless nights. My cortisol level was 18 *high* on BCP and came down to 9 off the pill...I feel my body is trying to recover *i am 31*, and i don't want to supplement without seeing what it can do on it's own. Diet wise i follow Schwarzbein, almost no sugar other than berries...no milk *i do eat cheese*. it's been at least 2 months since i did all the blood work,

it's time to repeat it..and i've got more tests for allergies and adrenal panel. but in the mean time i am revising my supplementation. I've just ordered Wobenzym to fight any possible inflamation which can also cause HL. Btw, in feeling FFF, it says that selenium helps T4 -> T3 conversion?! i was thinking of adding this as well. -J.k9gang@... wrote: Hairloss - can be from a variety of causes,

including iodine deficiency(resultant poor thyroid function), hormones, diet, etc etc etc...Periods of Anxiety and retlessness with tiredness, insomnia - these couldbe symptoms of weak adrenals/low cortesol. Especially the anxiety andrestlessness. I say that because low cortesol (not enough cortesol) willnot allow T3 receptors to open and whatever thyroid hormones are beingproduced will remain in the blood rather than getting in the cells, wherethey should be.Low sex drive, lack of ovulation - also hormonal. Lack of ovulation wouldmake 'me' think low progesterone. And low progesterone also effects theadrena ls cauing low cortesol.I'm glad you listed the symptoms because it does sound more like adrenalfatigue, not over production of cortesol. I would suggest you try some ofthose adrenal self tests at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-infoIt would be good to know if you need adrenal support. I

am definitely onadrenal support - synthetic time release cortesol Deltacortril (prednisolone).Sam=====> hairloss, periods of anxiety, restlessness together with> tiredness...insomnia, low sex drive, lack of ovulation>> Sam <k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org> wrote:> What exactly are the symptoms you are experiencing?>> Sam>> Re: For Sam another experiment... WOBENZYME> dosing>> but what if adrenals are overproducing the hormones...i have some of the> symptoms of adrenal fatigue and some of high cortisol?>> ->> k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org wrote:> Why not just try some of the adrenal self tests at> www.stopthehtyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info> If you need cortesol, it's best to take "that", not a substitute.> A lot of us take Cortef (5mg 4 times a day), or Deltacortril/prednisolone> (5mg once a day).>> Just a suggestion>> Sam>>>>>>>> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare>

#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

[Guest guest]

Your thyroid is ok? Ok. What's you body temp? Actually try taking your

temp at various time of the day and see if it varies.

You're having " symptoms " .

Sam

(thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htm

http://www.iodine4health.com

http://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.html

http://www.helpmythyroid.com/iodine.htm

http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.php

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: For Sam another experiment...

thanx Sam..i agree..well my thyroid is ok..i know you'll tell me it could be

better...my last TSH is 0.97, both my free T4 and T3 are top of the

range...and sushi is the main staple in my diet so i should be fine on

iodine. I'd go with the adrenals...i am suspecting as much. I did the

tests from www.feelingFFF.com. I bought a book and scheduled an appointment

with Dr. Shames, although not till mid october. Good doc is on vacations

while i am spending sleepless nights.

My cortisol level was 18 *high* on BCP and came down to 9 off the pill...I

feel my body is trying to recover *i am 31*, and i don't want to supplement

without seeing what it can do on it's own.

Diet wise i follow Schwarzbein, almost no sugar other than berries...no milk

*i do eat cheese*.

it's been at least 2 months since i did all t he blood work, it's time to

repeat it..and i've got more tests for allergies and adrenal panel.

but in the mean time i am revising my supplementation. I've just ordered

Wobenzym to fight any possible inflamation which can also cause HL.

Btw, in feeling FFF, it says that selenium helps T4 -> T3 conversion?! i

was thinking of adding this as well.

-J.

k9gang@... wrote:

Hairloss - can be from a variety of causes, including iodine deficiency

(resultant poor thyroid function), hormones, diet, etc etc etc...

[...]

I'm glad you listed the symptoms because it does sound more like adrenal

fatigue, not over production of cortesol. I would suggest you try some of

those adrenal self tests at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info

It would be good to know if you need adrenal support. I am definitely on

adrenal support - synthetic time release cortesol Deltacortril

(prednisolone).

Sam

=====

> hairloss, periods of anxiety, restlessness together with

> tiredness...insomnia, low sex drive, lack of ovulation

[Guest guest]

i know, i know the trick with taking 10 consequential temperatures in the morning and if they low it's thyroid..and if they jump it's adrenals...mine low and jump..but i don't think it's thyroid..i think it's adrenals infuencing thyroid...and my adrenals are fried from years of marathon training...i am trying to fix adrenals before fixing anything else...with supplements, good diet...yoga...*can't say i am succeeding*...Sam wrote: Your thyroid is ok? Ok. What's you body temp? Actually try taking

yourtemp at various time of the day and see if it varies.You're having "symptoms".Sam(thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized)k9gangopenaccess (DOT) orghttp://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htmhttp://www.iodine4health.comhttp://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.htmlhttp://www.helpmythyroid.com/iodine.htmhttp://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.phpwww.stopthethyroidmadness.com Re: For Sam another experiment...thanx Sam..i agree..well my thyroid is ok..i know you'll tell me it could bebetter...my last TSH is 0.97, both my free T4 and T3 are top of therange...and sushi is the main staple in my diet so i should be fine oniodine. I'd go with the adrenals...i am suspecting as much. I did thetests from www.feelingFFF.com. I bought a book and scheduled an appointmentwith Dr. Shames, although not till mid october. Good doc is on vacationswhile i am spending sleepless nights.My cortisol level was 18 *high* on BCP and came down to 9 off the pill...Ifeel my body is trying to recover *i am 31*, and i don't want to supplementwithout seeing what it can do on it's own.Diet wise i follow Schwarzbein, almost no sugar other than berries...no milk*i do eat cheese*.it's been at least 2 months since i did all t he blood work,

it's time torepeat it..and i've got more tests for allergies and adrenal panel.but in the mean time i am revising my supplementation. I've just orderedWobenzym to fight any possible inflamation which can also cause HL.Btw, in feeling FFF, it says that selenium helps T4 -> T3 conversion?! iwas thinking of adding this as well.-J.k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org wrote:Hairloss - can be from a variety of causes, including iodine deficiency(resultant poor thyroid function), hormones, diet, etc etc etc...[...]I'm glad you listed the symptoms because it does sound more like adrenalfatigue, not over production of cortesol. I would suggest you try some ofthose adrenal self tests at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-infoIt would be good to know if you need adrenal support. I am definitely onadrenal support - synthetic time release cortesol

Deltacortril(prednisolone).Sam=====> hairloss, periods of anxiety, restlessness together with> tiredness...insomnia, low sex drive, lack of ovulation

#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

[Guest guest]

,

You could have both low and high cortisol, depending on the time of day. My doctor recently had me do a saliva cortisol test with samples taken at 8 am, noon, 4 pm, 8 pm and 4 am.

Cortisol was way below normal at 8 am, noon and 4 pm but by 8 pm it was above normal and at 4 am it was WAY above normal. This explains why I can't usually sleep past 2 am and feel like crap during the day.

He said that there is a lot that can be seen from the relationship of the levels at various times of the day. When cortisol rises at night, it can indicate gut issues, such as parasite, fungus or bacteria, which then can be treated. Different imbalances mean different causes.

He also said wildly fluctuating levels of cortisol can induce hair loss.

Anyway, it seems that much can be learned by doing the saliva test and seeing the whole picture.

Sue

Reply-To: rhythmicliving To: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: For Sam another experiment...Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 06:01:32 -0700 (PDT)

thanx Sam..i agree..well my thyroid is ok..i know you'll tell me it could be better...my last TSH is 0.97, both my free T4 and T3 are top of the range...and sushi is the main staple in my diet so i should be fine on iodine. I'd go with the adrenals...i am suspecting as much. I did the tests from www.feelingFFF.com. I bought a book and scheduled an appointment with Dr. Shames, although not till mid october. Good doc is on vacations while i am spending sleepless nights.

My cortisol level was 18 *high* on BCP and came down to 9 off the pill...I feel my body is trying to recover *i am 31*, and i don't want to supplement without seeing what it can do on it's own.

Diet wise i follow Schwarzbein, almost no sugar other than berries...no milk *i do eat cheese*.

it's been at least 2 months since i did all the blood work, it's time to repeat it..and i've got more tests for allergies and adrenal panel.

but in the mean time i am revising my supplementation. I've just ordered Wobenzym to fight any possible inflamation which can also cause HL.

Btw, in feeling FFF, it says that selenium helps T4 -> T3 conversion?! i was thinking of adding this as well.

-J.k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org wrote:

Hairloss - can be from a variety of causes, including iodine deficiency(resultant poor thyroid function), hormones, diet, etc etc etc...Periods of Anxiety and retlessness with tiredness, insomnia - these couldbe symptoms of weak adrenals/low cortesol. Especially the anxiety andrestlessness. I say that because low cortesol (not enough cortesol) willnot allow T3 receptors to open and whatever thyroid hormones are beingproduced will remain in the blood rather than getting in the cells, wherethey should be.Low sex drive, lack of ovulation - also hormonal. Lack of ovulation wouldmake 'me' think low progesterone. And low progesterone also effects theadrena ls cauing low cortesol.I'm glad you listed the symptoms because it does sound more like adrenalfatigue, not over production of cortesol. I would suggest you try some ofthose adrenal self tests at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-infoIt would be good to know if you need adrenal support. I am definitely onadrenal support - synthetic time release cortesol Deltacortril (prednisolone).Sam=====> hairloss, periods of anxiety, restlessness together with> tiredness...insomnia, low sex drive, lack of ovulation>> Sam <k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org> wrote:> What exactly are the symptoms you are experiencing?>> Sam>> Re: For Sam another experiment... WOBENZYME> dosing>> but what if adrenals are overproducing the hormones...i have some of the> symptoms of adrenal fatigue and some of high cortisol?>> ->> k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org wrote:> Why not just try some of the adrenal self tests at> www.stopthehtyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info> If you need cortesol, it's best to take "that", not a substitute.> A lot of us take Cortef (5mg 4 times a day), or Deltacortril/prednisolone> (5mg once a day).>> Just a suggestion>> Sam>>>>>>>> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare>

#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

[Guest guest]

Yes, cortesol should be hig in the morning and low at night. If it

differs, that points to adrenal fatigue.

Sam

(thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htm

http://www.iodine4health.com

http://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.html

http://www.helpmythyroid.com/iodine.htm

http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.php

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

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> ,

> You could have both low and high cortisol, depending on the time of day.

> My doctor recently had me do a saliva cortisol test with samples taken at

> 8 am, noon, 4 pm, 8 pm and 4 am.

> Cortisol was way below normal at 8 am, noon and 4 pm but by 8 pm it was

> above normal and at 4 am it was WAY above normal. This explains why I

> can't usually sleep past 2 am and feel like crap during the day.

> He said that there is a lot that can be seen from the relationship of the

> levels at various times of the day. When cortisol rises at night, it can

> indicate gut issues, such as parasite, fungus or bacteria, which then can

> be treated. Different imbalances mean different causes.

> He also said wildly fluctuating levels of cortisol can induce hair loss.

> Anyway, it seems that much can be learned by doing the saliva test and

> seeing the whole picture.

[Guest guest]

Hi , and i think this is very true. I feel a lot better in the mornings and afternoons than i feel at night. If i am not asleep by midnight i can give up every hope of falling asleep till next morning. I have a home saliva cortisol kit. But because i've been sleeping really badly lately i was waiting for the better time to take the test. I've been have a number of digestive issues while on BCP, diagnosed with IBS. But ever since i've stopped the pill, most of it went away. I've recently started a probiotic, and i am looking into enzymes and possible garlic supplementation. For a while i was expecting my hormones to re-balance themselves, unfortunately 4 months off bcp and nowhere closer to any type of balance i have to look deeper into what's going on. So i appreciate all the advice . And i am sure my original bout of HL was caused by cortisol overproduction while on bcp..the morning blood level was 18. - Hatfield wrote: , You could have both low and high cortisol, depending on the time of day. My doctor recently had me do a saliva cortisol test with samples taken at 8 am, noon, 4 pm, 8 pm and 4 am. Cortisol was way below normal at 8 am, noon and 4 pm but by 8 pm it was above normal and at 4 am it was WAY above normal. This explains why I can't usually sleep past 2 am and feel like crap during

the day. He said that there is a lot that can be seen from the relationship of the levels at various times of the day. When cortisol rises at night, it can indicate gut issues, such as parasite, fungus or bacteria, which then can be treated. Different imbalances mean different causes. He also said wildly fluctuating levels of cortisol can induce hair loss. Anyway, it seems that much can be learned by doing the saliva test and seeing the whole picture. Sue From: Sullivan <krapivka>Reply-To: rhythmicliving To: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: For Sam another experiment...Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006

06:01:32 -0700 (PDT) thanx Sam..i agree..well my thyroid is ok..i know you'll tell me it could be better...my last TSH is 0.97, both my free T4 and T3 are top of the range...and sushi is the main staple in my diet so i should be fine on iodine. I'd go with the adrenals...i am suspecting as much. I did the tests from www.feelingFFF.com. I bought a book and scheduled an appointment with Dr. Shames, although not till mid october. Good doc is on vacations while i am spending sleepless nights. My cortisol level was 18 *high* on BCP and came down to 9 off the pill...I feel my body is trying to recover *i am 31*, and i don't want to supplement without seeing what it can do on it's own. Diet wise i follow Schwarzbein, almost no sugar other than berries...no milk *i do

eat cheese*. it's been at least 2 months since i did all the blood work, it's time to repeat it..and i've got more tests for allergies and adrenal panel. but in the mean time i am revising my supplementation. I've just ordered Wobenzym to fight any possible inflamation which can also cause HL. Btw, in feeling FFF, it says that selenium helps T4 -> T3 conversion?! i was thinking of adding this as well. -J.k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org wrote: Hairloss - can be from a variety of causes, including iodine deficiency(resultant poor thyroid function), hormones, diet, etc etc etc...Periods of Anxiety and retlessness with tiredness, insomnia - these couldbe symptoms of weak adrenals/low cortesol. Especially

the anxiety andrestlessness. I say that because low cortesol (not enough cortesol) willnot allow T3 receptors to open and whatever thyroid hormones are beingproduced will remain in the blood rather than getting in the cells, wherethey should be.Low sex drive, lack of ovulation - also hormonal. Lack of ovulation wouldmake 'me' think low progesterone. And low progesterone also effects theadrena ls cauing low cortesol.I'm glad you listed the symptoms because it does sound more like adrenalfatigue, not over production of cortesol. I would suggest you try some ofthose adrenal self tests at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-infoIt would be good to know if you need adrenal support. I am definitely onadrenal support - synthetic time release cortesol Deltacortril (prednisolone).Sam=====> hairloss, periods of anxiety, restlessness together with> tiredness...insomnia, low

sex drive, lack of ovulation>> Sam <k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org> wrote:> What exactly are the symptoms you are experiencing?>> Sam>> Re: For Sam another experiment... WOBENZYME> dosing>> but what if adrenals are overproducing the hormones...i have some of the> symptoms of adrenal fatigue and some of high cortisol?>> ->> k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org wrote:> Why not just try some of the adrenal self tests at> www.stopthehtyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info> If you need cortesol, it's best to take "that", not

a substitute.> A lot of us take Cortef (5mg 4 times a day), or Deltacortril/prednisolone> (5mg once a day).>> Just a suggestion>> Sam>>>>>>>> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

[Guest guest]

Mine is definitely the other way around. So, the question is how can i help my adrenals? i am afraid to take adrenal support *i bought the supplement in whole foods* cuz of the relation between high cortisol and HL. I know Shames suggests selenium to improve T4->T3 conversion, and a number of herbs *adaptogens* to help...i've been also drinking water with celtic salts before bed when i have hard time falling asleep...I understand that my adrenal burn out is a result of marathon training which i don't do anymore. Any other ideas? being 31, i'd hate to start supplementation if my adrenals can recover on their own?! am i just wasting my time?k9gang@... wrote: Yes, cortesol should be hig in the morning and low at night. If itdiffers, that points to adrenal fatigue.Sam(thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized)k9gangopenaccess (DOT) orghttp://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htmhttp://www.iodine4health.comhttp://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.htmlhttp://www.helpmythyroid.com/iodine.htmhttp://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.phpwww.stopthethyroidmadness.com=====> ,> You could have both low and high cortisol, depending on the time of day.> My doctor recently had me do a saliva cortisol test with samples taken at> 8 am, noon, 4 pm, 8 pm and 4 am.> Cortisol was way below normal at 8 am, noon and 4 pm but by 8 pm it was> above normal and at 4 am it was WAY above normal. This explains why I> can't usually sleep past 2 am and feel like crap during the day.> He said that there is a lot that can be seen from the relationship of the> levels at various times of the day. When cortisol rises at night, it can> indicate gut issues, such as parasite, fungus or bacteria, which then can> be treated. Different imbalances mean different causes.> He also said wildly fluctuating levels of cortisol can induce hair

loss.> Anyway, it seems that much can be learned by doing the saliva test and> seeing the whole picture.

#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

[Guest guest]

I think whether adrenals can recover or not depends on the person's age and how long the adrenals have been exhausted. Someone age 31 could conceivably get their adrenals back to functioning at 100% if the stressors were identified and removed. It seems this would involve more than giving adrenal support to rest the adrenals.

Stressors like gut dysbiosis, imbalanced sex hormones, chronic infections, allergies and the like can all cause the adrenals to over-produce cortisol and then get depleted. It may be that a small amount of supplemental cortisol is needed to get levels up to normal while the stressors are eliminated and the adrenals rest and then it can be tapered off and the adrenals can pick up the slack.

For myself (and maybe you Sam), because I'm 57 and my adrenal stressors were unidentified or untreated for decades, the adrenals are now damaged and no amount of glandulars, herbs, nutrients or rest will bring them back to 100%. I've tried all that and it didn't work. So I will take supplemental cortisol for the rest of my life.

Actually, I even tried supplemental cortisol a couple of years ago and that didn't relieve my horrible insomnia. I now know it was because my doctor back then didn't do the proper tests and didn't look at the big picture but just gave me some time-released hydrocortisone and told me to take it once a day. He didn't see that cortisol was too high at night and didn't look to see what was driving that.

I think it's really necessary to find a doctor that looks at the whole picture, including metabolic typing/biochemical individuality and who has a lot of experience dealing with chronic illnesses.

My current doctor does just that. He's the one that told me my adrenals would never recover to 100%. "Sorry to have to tell you that", he said. "It's just a fact of life. At your age, given your history, your adrenals are damaged."

So , I think if you can find a really good doctor that will address diet, nutrients, allergies, hormones, gut issues, detoxification, chronic infection and all the other imbalances that could be stressing your adrenals and you can repair all those, there is a good chance your adrenals could recover. At the very least, a doctor like that could tell you where you stand based on various tests so you would know whether this is a possibility or not.

Sue

Reply-To: rhythmicliving To: <rhythmicliving >Subject: Re: For Sam another experiment...Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 03:02:41 -0700

The thing is, if your adrenals could recover on their own, they would. Maybewith a little rest they could relax. That is basically what adrenal supportis...a rest for the adrenals so they can heal. They don't ahve to make somuch corteol, because we are taking some via pills (or whichever way) to"make up the slack" and give those adrenals glands a little rest.Supplements are fine, but the adrenal glands won't be able to rest becausethey still have to try and make enough cortesol to kee you alive. Don't beafraid of adrenal support. I've been on it since 2003 (adrenals were almostdead) and I haven't grown a 4th eye or another horn yet. :)Sam(thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized)k9gangopenaccess (DOT) orghttp://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htmhttp://www.iodine4health.comhttp://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.htmlhttp://www.helpmythyroid.com/iodine.htmhttp://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.phpwww.stopthethyroidmadness.comhttp://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html Re: For Sam another experiment...Mine is definitely the other way around. So, the question is how can i helpmy adrenals? i am afraid to take adrenal support *i bought the supplementin whole foods* cuz of the relation between high cortisol and HL. I knowShames suggests selenium to improve T4->T3 conversion, and a number of herbs*adaptogens* to help...i've been also drinking water with celtic saltsbefore bed when i have hard time falling asleep...I understand that myadrenal burn out is a result of marathon training which i don't do anymore.Any other ideas? being 31, i'd hate to start supplementation if my adrenalscan recover on their own?! am i just wasting my time?

[Guest guest]

Ok, let's try this one more time - Yaho has been being ba today...

Sue, I don't think age makes a different, I think it's the amount and

duration of damage to the adrenals.

By the way, I'm 54, I look 36, act 16, and take synthetic time release

cortesol.

But I think for folks our age, the damage may have been enough and long

enough to make recovery take quite some time. But for someone in their early

30's, I think recovery would take far less time as long as the the adrenals

were allowed to take a short rest (via low dose cortesol). It just depends

on the situation as to whether or not adrenals recover; I don't think at our

ages they don't.

Sam

(thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htm

http://www.iodine4health.com

http://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.html

http://www.helpmythyroid.com/iodine.htm

http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.php

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html

Re: For Sam another experiment...

I think whether adrenals can recover or not depends on the person's age and

how long the adrenals have been exhausted. Someone age 31 could conceivably

get their adrenals back to functioning at 100% if the stressors were

identified and removed. It seems this would involve more than giving

adrenal support to rest the adrenals.

Stressors like gut dysbiosis, imbalanced sex hormones, chronic infections,

allergies and the like can all cause the adrenals to over-produce cortisol

and then get depleted. It may be that a small amount of supplemental

cortisol is needed to get levels up to normal while the stressors are

eliminated and the adrenals rest and then it can be tapered off and the

adrenals can pick up the slack.

For myself (and maybe you Sam), because I'm 57 and my adrenal stressors were

unidentified or untreated for decades, the adrenals are now damaged and no

amount of glandulars, herbs, nutrients or rest will bring them back to 100%.

I've tried all that and it didn't work. So I will take supplemental

cortisol for the rest of my life.

Actually, I even tried supplemental cortisol a couple of years ago and that

didn't relieve my horrible insomnia. I now know it was because my doctor

back then didn't do the proper tests and didn't look at the big picture but

just gave me some time-released hydrocortisone and told me to take it once a

day. He didn't see that cortisol was too high at night and didn't look to

see what was driving that.

I think it's really necessary to find a doctor that looks at the whole

picture, including metabolic typing/biochemical individuality and who has a

lot of experience dealing with chronic illnesses.

My current doctor does just that. He's the one that told me my adrenals

would never recover to 100%. " Sorry to have to tell you that " , he said.

" It's just a fact of life. At your age, given your history, your adrenals

are damaged. "

So , I think if you can find a really good doctor that will address

diet, nutrients, allergies, hormones, gut issues, detoxification, chronic

infection and all the other imbalances that could be stressing your adrenals

and you can repair all those, there is a good chance your adrenals could

recover. At the very least, a doctor like that could tell you where you

stand based on various tests so you would know whether this is a possibility

or not.

Sue

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Sam, thanx again Well, i think i burned my adrenals training for marathon. I stopped training a year ago. and stopped overexercising at least 7 months back...i've been taking a lot better care of myself...and i am suspecting it's a matter of time..but i could be totally wrong and i am wasting my time...the reason i am afraid of adrenal support is my hair..i suspect at least initially the total cortisol will rise, before it falls...and with severe HL and sleeplessness i am kinda afraid of that...i guess i am looking for a comfy place to start now that i've accumulated a ton of info...may be i'll try a low dose adrenal support and see how i feel?! Sam wrote: The thing is, if your adrenals could recover on their own, they would. Maybewith a little rest they could relax. That is basically what adrenal supportis...a rest for the adrenals so they can heal. They don't ahve to make somuch corteol, because we are taking some via pills (or whichever way) to"make up the slack" and give those adrenals glands a little rest.Supplements are fine, but the adrenal glands won't be able to rest becausethey still have to try and make enough cortesol to kee you alive. Don't beafraid of adrenal support. I've been on it since 2003 (adrenals were almostdead) and I haven't grown a 4th eye or another horn yet. :)Sam(thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized)k9gangopenaccess (DOT) orghttp://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htmhttp://www.iodine4health.comhttp://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.htmlhttp://www.helpmythyroid.com/iodine.htmhttp://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.phpwww.stopthethyroidmadness.comhttp://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html Re: For Sam another experiment...Mine is definitely the other way around. So, the question is how can i helpmy adrenals? i am afraid to take adrenal support *i bought the supplementin whole foods* cuz of the relation between high cortisol and HL. I knowShames suggests selenium to improve T4->T3 conversion, and a number of herbs*adaptogens* to help...i've been also drinking water with celtic saltsbefore bed when i have hard time falling asleep...I understand that myadrenal burn out is a result of marathon training which i don't do anymore.Any other ideas? being 31, i'd hate to start supplementation if my adrenalscan recover on their own?! am i just wasting my time?

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Hi , and i totally agree...till the age of 28 i had NO problems with anything..ever..i was incredibly healthy...it all started with dieting and overexercising which i did between 28-30...it depleted my adrenals and my sex hormones...now i am trying to get my body back to normal. As you can imagine i've seen lots and lots of different docs...read tons of books..but haven't found the doctor...i have an appointment with Dr. Shames auther of feeling FFF and other book on thyroid. I chose him cuz i like his approach..unfortunately my apt isn't till mid october. I live in San , CA...and it's really not the matter of money. So if anybody could recommend someone around my area, i'd gladly go see them... as for stressors..i've never had allergies in my life..since 28, i am experiencing a lot of symptoms that could be caused by low ovarian hormones, thyroid, adrenals, candida, or allergies..it's just impossible to

tell...i've got a home allergy test kit which i am going to do on tuesday, and adrenal panel...i think my main stressors were starvation and overexercising, which i've done away with...of course emotional stress is still there, but i am working on it with yoga, hyperberic oxygen sessions, and supplements.... so, may be i am not understanding how adrenal support works?! i thought if one has high cortisol, adding AS will raise cortisol even higher? no? finally, i am on a low dose of spironolactone for my hair..has been on it for a year now. I am thinking it's not helping with adrenals as it decreases the amount of aldosterone and upsets sodium/potassium balance...should i taper off it? what do you girls think? again, thank you for all the help, -J. Hatfield wrote: I think whether adrenals can recover or not depends on the person's age and how long the adrenals have been exhausted. Someone age 31 could conceivably get their adrenals back to functioning at 100% if the stressors were identified and removed. It seems this would involve more than giving adrenal support to rest the adrenals. Stressors like gut dysbiosis, imbalanced sex hormones, chronic infections, allergies and the like can all cause the adrenals to over-produce cortisol and then get depleted. It may be that a small

amount of supplemental cortisol is needed to get levels up to normal while the stressors are eliminated and the adrenals rest and then it can be tapered off and the adrenals can pick up the slack. For myself (and maybe you Sam), because I'm 57 and my adrenal stressors were unidentified or untreated for decades, the adrenals are now damaged and no amount of glandulars, herbs, nutrients or rest will bring them back to 100%. I've tried all that and it didn't work. So I will take supplemental cortisol for the rest of my life. Actually, I even tried supplemental cortisol a couple of years ago and that didn't relieve my horrible insomnia. I now know it was because my doctor back then didn't do the proper tests and didn't look at the big picture but just gave me some time-released hydrocortisone and told me to take it once a day. He didn't see that cortisol was too high at night and didn't look to see what was driving

that. I think it's really necessary to find a doctor that looks at the whole picture, including metabolic typing/biochemical individuality and who has a lot of experience dealing with chronic illnesses. My current doctor does just that. He's the one that told me my adrenals would never recover to 100%. "Sorry to have to tell you that", he said. "It's just a fact of life. At your age, given your history, your adrenals are damaged." So , I think if you can find a really good doctor that will address diet, nutrients, allergies, hormones, gut issues, detoxification, chronic infection and all the other imbalances that could be stressing your adrenals and you can repair all those, there is a good chance your adrenals could recover. At the very least, a doctor like that could tell you where you stand based on various tests so you would know whether this is a possibility or

not. Sue From: "Sam" <k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org>Reply-To: rhythmicliving To: <rhythmicliving >Subject: Re: For Sam another experiment...Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 03:02:41 -0700 The thing is, if your adrenals could recover on their own, they would. Maybewith a little rest they could relax. That is basically what adrenal supportis...a rest for the adrenals so they can heal. They don't ahve to make somuch corteol, because we are taking some via pills (or whichever way) to"make up the slack" and give those adrenals glands a little rest.Supplements are fine,

but the adrenal glands won't be able to rest becausethey still have to try and make enough cortesol to kee you alive. Don't beafraid of adrenal support. I've been on it since 2003 (adrenals were almostdead) and I haven't grown a 4th eye or another horn yet. :)Sam(thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized)k9gangopenaccess (DOT) orghttp://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htmhttp://www.iodine4health.comhttp://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.htmlhttp://www.helpmythyroid.com/iodine.htmhttp://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.phpwww.stopthethyroidmadness.comhttp://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html Re: For Sam another experiment...Mine is definitely the other way around. So, the question is how can i helpmy adrenals? i am afraid to take adrenal support *i bought the supplementin whole foods* cuz of the relation between high cortisol and HL. I knowShames suggests selenium to improve T4->T3 conversion, and a number of herbs*adaptogens* to help...i've been also drinking water with celtic saltsbefore bed when i have hard time falling asleep...I

understand that myadrenal burn out is a result of marathon training which i don't do anymore.Any other ideas? being 31, i'd hate to start supplementation if my adrenalscan recover on their own?! am i just wasting my time?

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so should i try adrenal support first? or low dose cortisol? or a good doc? where do i start? i am nobody even told me i have burned out adrenals...in his book 'feeling FFF', Shames gives quizes to figure out different hormonal conditions, my highest scores were low thyroid and adrenals...and since once causes the other... basically where do i start?Sam wrote: Ok, let's try this one more time - Yaho has been being ba today...

;)Sue, I don't think age makes a different, I think it's the amount andduration of damage to the adrenals.By the way, I'm 54, I look 36, act 16, and take synthetic time releasecortesol. :)But I think for folks our age, the damage may have been enough and longenough to make recovery take quite some time. But for someone in their early30's, I think recovery would take far less time as long as the the adrenalswere allowed to take a short rest (via low dose cortesol). It just dependson the situation as to whether or not adrenals recover; I don't think at ourages they don't.Sam(thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized)k9gangopenaccess (DOT) orghttp://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htmhttp://www.iodine4health.comhttp://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.htmlhttp://www.helpmythyroid.com/iodine.htmhttp://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.phpwww.stopthethyroidmadness.comhttp://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html Re: For Sam another experiment...I think whether adrenals can recover or not depends on the person's age andhow long the adrenals have been exhausted. Someone age 31 could conceivablyget their adrenals back to functioning at 100% if the

stressors wereidentified and removed. It seems this would involve more than givingadrenal support to rest the adrenals.Stressors like gut dysbiosis, imbalanced sex hormones, chronic infections,allergies and the like can all cause the adrenals to over-produce cortisoland then get depleted. It may be that a small amount of supplementalcortisol is needed to get levels up to normal while the stressors areeliminated and the adrenals rest and then it can be tapered off and theadrenals can pick up the slack.For myself (and maybe you Sam), because I'm 57 and my adrenal stressors wereunidentified or untreated for decades, the adrenals are now damaged and noamount of glandulars, herbs, nutrients or rest will bring them back to 100%.I've tried all that and it didn't work. So I will take supplementalcortisol for the rest of my life.Actually, I even tried supplemental cortisol a couple of years ago and thatdidn't relieve my

horrible insomnia. I now know it was because my doctorback then didn't do the proper tests and didn't look at the big picture butjust gave me some time-released hydrocortisone and told me to take it once aday. He didn't see that cortisol was too high at night and didn't look tosee what was driving that.I think it's really necessary to find a doctor that looks at the wholepicture, including metabolic typing/biochemical individuality and who has alot of experience dealing with chronic illnesses.My current doctor does just that. He's the one that told me my adrenalswould never recover to 100%. "Sorry to have to tell you that", he said."It's just a fact of life. At your age, given your history, your adrenalsare damaged."So , I think if you can find a really good doctor that will addressdiet, nutrients, allergies, hormones, gut issues, detoxification, chronicinfection and all the other imbalances that could be

stressing your adrenalsand you can repair all those, there is a good chance your adrenals couldrecover. At the very least, a doctor like that could tell you where youstand based on various tests so you would know whether this is a possibilityor not.Sue

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