RE: GOING COLD TURKEY ON THE CREAMS

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This is a quote from Dr. Larraine Gillespie. Carolyn

--- carolyn egan wrote:

> Especially of note concerning estradiol compounded

> in

> a cream (lipid) base:

>

> " ...REMEMBER, ESTRADIOL IS NOT SOLUBLE IN FATS -

> THOSE

> CREAMS ARE WORTHLESS AND REQUIRE AN ALCOHOL BASE TO

> PENETRATE THE SKIN...a new estradiol lotion

> (designed

> to correct that fault in normally prescribed creams)

> using proprietary micro particle encapsulation

> demonstrated the ability to transport estradiol into

> the blood stream, making it the first in lotion form

> (as opposed to alcohol based gels) approved by the

> FDA

> (and the only form like this that is available in

> the

> United States).

>

> The alcohol based gel is called EstraGel by Solvay,

> and is to be applied only on areas with veins close

> to

> the surface, for effective uptake into the blood

> stream. The areas recommended are to apply in a thin

> wide swath from the inner wrist upward over the

> inner

> arm, inner elbow, up to the shoulder.

>

> The micro-particle lotion is called Estrasorb, made

> by

> Novavax and King Pharmaceuticals, is NOT to be

> applied

> to the fat pad areas, but rather to the legs only,

> interchanging both calves and thighs, also in a wide

> thin swath.

>

> These products are easily found on their websites:

> solvay.com or Estrasorb/Novavax.

>

> Maybe time for new paradigms, gals! Carolyn

>

>

>

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I tried the estrasorb and it made me sick. Seemed to go in to fast or maybe I needed much more.

Liz

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of carolyn eganSent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:40 PMTo: rhythmicliving Cc: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: GOING COLD TURKEY ON THE CREAMS

This is a quote from Dr. Larraine Gillespie. Carolyn--- carolyn egan wrote:> Especially of note concerning estradiol compounded> in> a cream (lipid) base:> > "...REMEMBER, ESTRADIOL IS NOT SOLUBLE IN FATS -> THOSE> CREAMS ARE WORTHLESS AND REQUIRE AN ALCOHOL BASE TO> PENETRATE THE SKIN...a new estradiol lotion> (designed> to correct that fault in normally prescribed creams)> using proprietary micro particle encapsulation> demonstrated the ability to transport estradiol into> the blood stream, making it the first in lotion form> (as opposed to alcohol based gels) approved by the> FDA> (and the only form like this that is available in> the> United States). > > The alcohol based gel is called EstraGel by Solvay,> and is to be applied only on areas with veins close> to> the surface, for effective uptake into the blood> stream. The areas recommended are to apply in a thin> wide swath from the inner wrist upward over the> inner> arm, inner elbow, up to the shoulder.> > The micro-particle lotion is called Estrasorb, made> by> Novavax and King Pharmaceuticals, is NOT to be> applied> to the fat pad areas, but rather to the legs only,> interchanging both calves and thighs, also in a wide> thin swath.> > These products are easily found on their websites:> solvay.com or Estrasorb/Novavax.> > Maybe time for new paradigms, gals! Carolyn> > > > ____________________________________________________> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > __________________________________________________

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Yep, , these are the symptoms that I got. It was WORSE than no estrogen.

Carolyn, you could try splitting the packs but it's really runny and it would be hard to get an accurate split. I think the estrogel comes in a pump to make it easier for dosing?

Liz

PS- I don't think we are dweebs :):)

T ried the estrasorb and it made me sick. Seemed to go in to fast or maybe I needed much more.

Liz

>>>>>>>> Liz, this is s SO like the emollient base that G. and I did ((( . You are right, it goes in FAST. Also gave me all the side effects, like dizzy, nausea, headache, nervousness....all my going in to FAST symptoms. The same as the RF we tried. Some may like it, some can use Oestrogel too, I can't use that either.

>>>>>>>>Oh did anyone read through the cations, cross-containation is possible from 2-8 hours after allpication. Mens E levels went up with contact after that time too, I think it said 25%............food for thought with ALL transdermal !!!! L

[Guest guest]

Yep!! That's why I am going to try the EstraGel...the

pump may make make it possible to use both a little

more control yet with a little more variance in

dosing. (Then there is always the uk over the internet

of an open tube...but I think I almost prefer the pump

with controlled amount, and then I can work

knowledgebly from that. We have already gone the

" free-for-all " approach with Wiley!!)

Nah, I don't really feel like a dweeb either. Most of

our family of kids and grandkids have gone up north to

Wisconsin...and grandpa and I are actually quite

enjoying the peace and quiet!! :) Carolyn

--- beth wrote:

> Yep, , these are the symptoms that I got. It

> was WORSE than no

> estrogen.

>

> Carolyn, you could try splitting the packs but it's

> really runny and it

> would be hard to get an accurate split. I think the

> estrogel comes in a pump

> to make it easier for dosing?

>

> Liz

>

> PS- I don't think we are dweebs :):)

>

> _____

>

>

>

> T ried the estrasorb and it made me sick. Seemed to

> go in to fast or maybe

> I needed much more.

>

> Liz

>

> >>>>>>>> Liz, this is s SO like the emollient base

> that G. and I did

> ((( . You are right, it goes in FAST. Also gave me

> all the side effects,

> like dizzy, nausea, headache, nervousness....all my

> going in to FAST

> symptoms. The same as the RF we tried. Some may like

> it, some can use

> Oestrogel too, I can't use that either.

>

> >>>>>>>>Oh did anyone read through the cations,

> cross-containation is

> possible from 2-8 hours after allpication. Mens E

> levels went up with

> contact after that time too, I think it said

> 25%............food for thought

> with ALL transdermal !!!! L

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Oh I thought this was with the creams. So much for the estrogel going right "in". So what's the answer with the transdermals? Don't be around any people or pets if you want to use them?

I think we need to be aware, and put it where we won't contaminate others, AND it you can wash the area in a few hours after application. Maybe these are things we should ask the companies........they put the precautions on the package, and that was the end of it in there minds. L

[Guest guest]

What? From 2 to 8 hours AFTER application? Funny - it can get MEN's

levels of E up but not ours.

>

> >>>>>>>>Oh did anyone read through the cations, cross-containation

is

> possible from 2-8 hours after allpication. Mens E levels went up

with contact after

> that time too, I think it said 25%............food for thought with

ALL

> transdermal !!!! L

[Guest guest]

Maybe it's our greater body fat, or our different

metabolic rate, as compared to mens? Or the fact they

have so little to begin with?? Diff'rent animals!!

Carolyn

--- wrote:

> What? From 2 to 8 hours AFTER application? Funny -

> it can get MEN's

> levels of E up but not ours.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> > >>>>>>>>Oh did anyone read through the cations,

> cross-containation

> is

> > possible from 2-8 hours after allpication. Mens E

> levels went up

> with contact after

> > that time too, I think it said 25%............food

> for thought with

> ALL

> > transdermal !!!! L

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Oh I thought this was with the creams. So much for the estrogel

going right " in " . So what's the answer with the transdermals? Don't

be around any people or pets if you want to use them?

>

> In a message dated 9/6/2005 9:12:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> merryr@u... writes:

>

> What? From 2 to 8 hours AFTER application? Funny - it can get

MEN's

> levels of E up but not ours.

>

>

>

>

> this was on the estogel, so even though it goes it fast, lots

stays on the

> skin.....think what we can do to those we are in close contact

with, kinda

> scarry hugh ! Maybe what this means is, even if your E level is

up, you could be

> you are wearing your E for others. ( . I seem to get good E

levels, but

> still there is the skin issue, I always have that in mind....I try

to use

> caution around others, even pets. L

[Guest guest]

I am wondering if there is any way to get good medical

input on this...doesn't seem to make a lot of sense

that these creams or gels continue to " sit " on the

surface for hours and hours....then even suntan lotion

and bath gels do render us as toxic waste dumps to

everyone...even just exposure to the air and

evaporation would render this a bit moot...I would

like to try to find out what I can on this, as it

sounds a bit overreactive....Carolyn

--- wrote:

> Oh I thought this was with the creams. So much for

> the estrogel

> going right " in " . So what's the answer with the

> transdermals? Don't

> be around any people or pets if you want to use

> them?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > In a message dated 9/6/2005 9:12:02 AM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> > merryr@u... writes:

> >

> > What? From 2 to 8 hours AFTER application? Funny

> - it can get

> MEN's

> > levels of E up but not ours.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > this was on the estogel, so even though it goes it

> fast, lots

> stays on the

> > skin.....think what we can do to those we are in

> close contact

> with, kinda

> > scarry hugh ! Maybe what this means is, even if

> your E level is

> up, you could be

> > you are wearing your E for others. ( . I seem to

> get good E

> levels, but

> > still there is the skin issue, I always have that

> in mind....I try

> to use

> > caution around others, even pets. L

>

>

>

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