Re: , - blood test and frail health

[Guest guest]

Yahoo has been fooling around big time with these settings!

Annoying!

Anyway, I need to find out my blood type. I can't find a single

piece of paper stating what it is. Shouldn't it be on our birth

records?

>

> geez, I do not know what yahoo has done, but I cannot delete part

of the message now either. Its either all or nothing.

>

> nne/,

> I am also an A+ and have had to always take extra care health

wise to make sure I stay healthy. So there is probable something in

that. I just cannot abuse my body. My son is the same way. My

husband is an O and strong as an ox and abuses his body at times

without ill effects.

>

[Guest guest]

I bet we are ALL Type " A " s!!! How funny would that be!

>

> Hi ,

> you seem to be speaking for me!! I've been that way ever since

babyhood, although motherhood strengthened my system for awhile. I

also have blood type A(+). In fact, I'd like to suggest that

probably many of the girls on this page have frailer than normal

health, especially those - at least formerly - with strong

menopausal discomforts and auto-immune problems.

>

> I've always had less energy than others, doctors could never help

me if they weren' chiropractors or homeopaths, and I had to study a

lot to help myself since my thirties since there were no such NDs

and CDs around where we lived...I must

> ve spent a good 35% of my energy in this life taking care of

> my body or " handicapped " by ailments and sickness...

>

> What's the name of the book?

>

[Guest guest]

,

Go to here http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?user_action=list & category=Self-Testing%3B%20Blood%20Grouping%20Tests

I did the secretor test also. I don't remember it costing so much but it was a few years ago. The other test is not that bad.

Liz

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:19 AMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: , - blood test and frail health

Yahoo has been fooling around big time with these settings! Annoying! Anyway, I need to find out my blood type. I can't find a single piece of paper stating what it is. Shouldn't it be on our birth records? >> geez, I do not know what yahoo has done, but I cannot delete part of the message now either. Its either all or nothing. > > nne/, > I am also an A+ and have had to always take extra care health wise to make sure I stay healthy. So there is probable something in that. I just cannot abuse my body. My son is the same way. My husband is an O and strong as an ox and abuses his body at times without ill effects.>

[Guest guest]

thanks Liz -- I guess I'll have to do this unless I just ask my doctor

to do this test for me next time I draw blood.

>

> I did the secretor test also. I don't remember it costing so much but

it was

> a few years ago. The other test is not that bad.

>

> Liz

>

> _____

[Guest guest]

And YOUR story sounds like MY story, my entire life! Yes, I agree, I

think many of the women on this list have fragile health, although

our food system in America is so bad today, I think that is becoming

more the norm than not!

The website for blood type diet theory, or at least for the guy who

made it famous, as many authors and experts have discussed it in

recent decades (the list that I know of is in the description of the

LiveRightByType list), is www.dadamo.com. He has written several

books, but every time he writes a new one, the food lists change a

bit. I just finished one about Aging that came out in 2005 and now it

is the one I would recommend to anyone on this list. It is small and

concise and gets to the point about what you need to know. The others

have a lot of theory you can read later if you desire. And it has the

most up to date food lists, which are what any beginner needs to

focus on primarily.

Since you know your blood type, you don't need to do anything to

learn more except to take the secretor test, a saliva test, you can

order through Dr. D'Adamo's website (see above). You may very

well be a non-secretor as I am, and we are the ones with the most

fragile health. He describes and explains us well in the Aging book.

You don't need to know your secretor type to read the book and learn

from it. He tells people who don't know their secretor type to

experiment with the lists for secretors and non-secretors for their

blood type, encouraging people to use the non-secretor lists if they

have serious health issues or need to lose weight, until they learn

their secretor type.

Also, blood type A in general, having studied all the blood types for

about a decade now, strikes me as the most fragile, healthwise, of

all the blood groups. AB probably is a good second, but that type is

VERY rare. Ironically, all of the hep C patients my husband has

treated, and he has treated quite a few with herbs, not acupuncture,

all are AB!

- In rhythmicliving , " Charlotte N. "

wrote:

>

> " ...according to the blood type doctor, D'Dadamo, has very

fragile health. I tend to believe his theory has a lot of truth,

although not total truth, LOL (what does?!), in part because his

theory about non-secretors, which he writes about a lot in his books,

fits me SO WELL!! It was like having someone tell me why I have had

to work so hard all my life at taking care of my health.

>

> Hi ,

> you seem to be speaking for me!! I've been that way ever since

babyhood, although motherhood strengthened my system for awhile. I

also have blood type A(+). In fact, I'd like to suggest that probably

many of the girls on this page have frailer than normal health,

especially those - at least formerly - with strong menopausal

discomforts and auto-immune problems.

>

> I've always had less energy than others, doctors could never help

me if they weren' chiropractors or homeopaths, and I had to study a

lot to help myself since my thirties since there were no such NDs and

CDs around where we lived...I must

> ve spent a good 35% of my energy in this life taking care of

> my body or " handicapped " by ailments and sickness...

>

> What's the name of the book?

>

[Guest guest]

I find the first book to be almost obsolete at this point, the

information has been changed and expanded upon so much by now. I

would urge anyone who starts working with the theory and who really

wants to understand the history, philosophy and development of the

theory, to read the first book, eventually, but only for those

reasons. It is not a practical application book at all at this point

in time. Read the post I just wrote to this list, to Charlotte, for

the rest of the answer to your question.

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I am A+ also and very interested in the name of the book and what

he means

> by non-secretors. I do have Eat Right 4 Your Type, from 1996. Is

this a

> newer book you like so well or do I just need to re-read the book I

have?

>

> nne

>

[Guest guest]

A lot of type A people on this list!

One of the blood type books by Dr. D'Adamo, a naturopath, is called

the Blood Type or Eat Right 4 Your Type Encyclopedia. I forget the

exact name, but the key word is Encyclopedia. Try to find a copy at

your library or bookstore, and thumb through it. I find it

fascinating because it gives info on a host of diseases and health

conditions, and that statistics for the rate of occurence for each

blood and secretor type!!!!!

Type A tends to get heart disease and cancer more than other blood

types, while type O has more problems with addictions of all kinds

and pain and structural problems.

But if you really get into the theory deeply, you also need to know

what blood type genes you carry, not just what your blood type

actually is, for the most complete picture of your disease or

possible disease, and health profile, within that theory. And that

means you have to know your parents' blood types, and/or your

children's and the fathers of the children.

Yes, from the standpoint of us type A people, about 40% of the world

population, those type O people, about 50% of the world population,

sure seem healthier, but a closer look reveals that it just may seem

that way, depending on what diseases get played up in the culture.

And whether you believe in blood type theory or not, the diseases of

the culture often are directly related to the popular diet of the

culture! But there is a definite difference in basic quality of

health between secretors and non-secretors. Non-secretors don't have

the immune system strength secretors do. So in my opinion, it is

almost more important to know your secretor type than your blood

type! IF I had to make a choice between the two tests, if I couldn't

do both and didn't know my blood type, I would get my secretor type,

because if you are a non-secretor, that tells you that taking care of

your health and immune system is a high priority throughout your

life, whether or not you ever use blood type theory food lists for

your blood type.

> " ...according to the blood type doctor,

D'Dadamo, has very fragile health. I tend to believe his theory

has a lot of truth, although not total truth, LOL (what does?!), in

part because his theory about non-secretors, which he writes about a

lot in his books, fits me SO WELL!! It was like having someone tell

me why I have had to work so hard all my life at taking care of my

health.

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> you seem to be speaking for me!! I've been that way ever since

babyhood, although motherhood strengthened my system for awhile. I

also have blood type A(+). In fact, I'd like to suggest that probably

many of the girls on this page have frailer than normal health,

especially those - at least formerly - with strong menopausal

discomforts and auto-immune problems.

>

> What's the name of the book?

>

>

> Hi ,

> I am A+ also and very interested in the name of the book and what

he means by non-secretors. I do have Eat Right 4 Your Type, from

1996. Is this a newer book you like so well or do I just need to re-

read the book I have?

>

> nne

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Men often seem healthier than women in general anyway, don't you

think? But it usually does catch up and they die sooner as a result,

studies have been telling us that for years. Men's life spans are

shorter because they don't take care of themselves, ignore health

problems, etc. etc., and women are better about taking care of

themselves. We try to take care of the men too, but that isn't always

easy...LOL Blood type O secretors seem to do the best of all blood

types when they switch to the type O diet. But if you are a non-

secretor O, you have very fragile health in general, has been my

observation. My husband and I have worked with some O-NS and I have

read about a lot on the blood type lists. You should find out what

you are. I think it would be helpful for you.

There are 27 subtypes of blood type A and so there still is much to

be learned. The blood type diet as Dr. D'Adamo teaches it works great

for some type A folks and not so well for others, but most type O who

try it seem to do well with it if they need improvements in their

health. I don't even know if there are any subtypes among O except

the secretors and non-secretors.

But Dr. D talks about A1, A2, and then there are blood tests that can

determine other subtypes for A. My husband is one that is so rare,

only six percent of all Caucasians (he has Sephardic Jew and UK

genes) are that type, Dr. D says, and he doesn't seem to know exactly

what food lists they should use, just tells them to use the non-

secretor lists, even if they test out as a secretor. So my husband

and I eat for A-NS, but we are SO different actually in terms of what

foods work well for us and which ones don't, although we stick

carefully to the A-NS lists. You O types are lucky, for your blood

type apparently doesn't have all of these complexities that make it

hard to know what to do.

n rhythmicliving , " Liz Vernand " wrote:

>

> I am an O and feel like I have less then good health. My husband is

an A and

> eats crap, doesn't exercise much and is healthy. (not to say it

won't catch

> up to him).

>

> Liz

>

> _____

>

> From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of Madeleen

> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:49 AM

> To: rhythmicliving

> Subject: RE: , - blood test and

frail health

>

>

>

>

> geez, I do not know what yahoo has done, but I cannot delete part

of the

> message now either. Its either all or nothing.

>

> nne/,

> I am also an A+ and have had to always take extra care health wise

to make

> sure I stay healthy. So there is probable something in that. I

just cannot

> abuse my body. My son is the same way. My husband is an O and

strong as an

> ox and abuses his body at times without ill effects.

>

> HOWEVER, I do not want to buy into that too much, because taking

care of our

> health should be important to every one of us. Its not that I am

weak, its

> how I function best!

>

> Madeleen

>

>

>

> nne Skoog wrote:

>

> " ...according to the blood type doctor, D'Dadamo, has very

fragile

> health. I tend to believe his theory has a lot of truth, although

not total

> truth, LOL (what does?!), in part because his theory about non-

secretors,

> which he writes about a lot in his books, fits me SO WELL!! It was

like

> having someone tell me why I have had to work so hard all my life

at taking

> care of my health.

>

> Hi ,

> you seem to be speaking for me!! I've been that way ever since

babyhood,

> although motherhood strengthened my system for awhile. I also have

blood

> type A(+). In fact, I'd like to suggest that probably many of the

girls on

> this page have frailer than normal health, especially those - at

least

> formerly - with strong menopausal discomforts and auto-immune

problems.

> What's the name of the book?

>

> Hi ,

> I am A+ also and very interested in the name of the book and what

he means

> by non-secretors. I do have Eat Right 4 Your Type, from 1996. Is

this a

> newer book you like so well or do I just need to re-read the book I

have?

> nne

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, I have been following this thread on the blood type for a while

and decided I had to post. I am an A pos. and so is my husband and

also my four children. A few years ago some friends got into this

diet with their expensive out of state " doctor " who they tried to get

me involoved with. I got frustrated because it seemed that she was

only interested in money and selling supplements (and using them to

invest in her many ideas) Anyway, I got turned off. One thing was

soy was on the list for A and I had just gotten off soy after years

of soy milk for me and my family. We had avoided store bought milk

due to lactose intolerance of my first two children or so it

seemed?? I think it was just pasturized and homogenized milk now.

Also other things like tomatoes, certain fish etc.

I have never thought of myself as having frail health. Even as a

child and eating junk food and a less than optimal diet, I had a

pretty good constitution and was hardly sick and didn't have

allergies. I got more into health food and nutrition/supplements as

a teenager and young mother. All four of my daughters grew up on

herbs/vitamins and never had an antibiotic as children(or

vaccinations). They always took their cod liver oil and avoided

sugar. We ate lots of veggies/organic chicken, some fish and not

much meat. I thought it clogged you up back then. We eat natural

meats now and have for a few years since starting raw milk/cheese/

butter and more of a Weston Price diet.-

My husband has always been healthy as an ox and rarely got ill even

though he abused his body and diet at work drinking lots of coffee

and eating whatever for lunch including sodas. Now at 50 he is

slowing down a bit but doing better by adding Armour and testosterone

to his routine.

I had four pregnancies each two years apart and nursed babies for

almost eight years. My hormones were always up and down, all over

the map and I was always looking for ways to balance them.(Looking

back, I just had too many kids! too close together) I took herbs,

did cleanses, took chinese medicine and lots of supplements while

watching diet and then I found Wiley at 42. Wish I had never gone

down that path!

I am off everything(except armour) for three weeks now and doing

really well. My doctor thought that the excess hormones could clear

in 15 days, not sure I buy that, but anyway he wants me to start on

Lugol's and do a gland/liver cleanse. I have not had any hot

flashing or mood swings and just went through a regular cycle on day

30 although it was the most crampy period I have had in years. I

will retest my hormones in about a month with saliva and serum to see

how things have settled. I guess the only thing now that is really

upsetting is all the weight I have gained doing this Wiley Experiment

and I have never had to battle weight. Even after pregnancies it

came off within a couple of months with nursing. My doctor thinks it

will come off as the excess hormones clear out of my system. I walk

a couple of miles each morning with my dogs but that is all I am

doing right now.

Lynn has me rethinking my raw milk, but that is a really hard thing

for me as I love it and love cooking with it. My oldest grandaughter

is 2.5 yrs. now and they are going to move in with us for a couple of

months next week. She went from breast to raw milk and is the

healthiest kid I have ever seen. She also takes her Carlson's cod

liver oil everyday. I will have to do some more research. My old

doctor practices a Paleo diet and I have to say he looks fantastic

for his age, which I don't know what that is but he has grown

children. I would like to see his wife! Men usually age so much

better than us women.

Just my two cents.

PS, my dad is that rare AB blood type and he is 77 and in great

health. Playing golf, and substitute teaching at the local high

school in their small town. He gardens and is very active.

Sonii

-- In rhythmicliving , " MacIlhaney "

wrote:

>

> Men often seem healthier than women in general anyway, don't you

> think? But it usually does catch up and they die sooner as a

result,

> studies have been telling us that for years. Men's life spans are

> shorter because they don't take care of themselves, ignore health

> problems, etc. etc., and women are better about taking care of

> themselves. We try to take care of the men too, but that isn't

always

> easy...LOL Blood type O secretors seem to do the best of all blood

> types when they switch to the type O diet. But if you are a non-

> secretor O, you have very fragile health in general, has been my

> observation. My husband and I have worked with some O-NS and I have

> read about a lot on the blood type lists. You should find out what

> you are. I think it would be helpful for you.

> There are 27 subtypes of blood type A and so there still is much to

> be learned. The blood type diet as Dr. D'Adamo teaches it works

great

> for some type A folks and not so well for others, but most type O

who

> try it seem to do well with it if they need improvements in their

> health. I don't even know if there are any subtypes among O except

> the secretors and non-secretors.

> But Dr. D talks about A1, A2, and then there are blood tests that

can

> determine other subtypes for A. My husband is one that is so rare,

> only six percent of all Caucasians (he has Sephardic Jew and UK

> genes) are that type, Dr. D says, and he doesn't seem to know

exactly

> what food lists they should use, just tells them to use the non-

> secretor lists, even if they test out as a secretor. So my husband

> and I eat for A-NS, but we are SO different actually in terms of

what

> foods work well for us and which ones don't, although we stick

> carefully to the A-NS lists. You O types are lucky, for your blood

> type apparently doesn't have all of these complexities that make it

> hard to know what to do.

>

>

>

> n rhythmicliving , " Liz Vernand " <liz@> wrote:

> >

> > I am an O and feel like I have less then good health. My husband

is

> an A and

> > eats crap, doesn't exercise much and is healthy. (not to say it

> won't catch

> > up to him).

> >

> > Liz

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> > On Behalf Of Madeleen

> > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:49 AM

> > To: rhythmicliving

> > Subject: RE: , - blood test and

> frail health

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > geez, I do not know what yahoo has done, but I cannot delete part

> of the

> > message now either. Its either all or nothing.

> >

> > nne/,

> > I am also an A+ and have had to always take extra care health

wise

> to make

> > sure I stay healthy. So there is probable something in that. I

> just cannot

> > abuse my body. My son is the same way. My husband is an O and

> strong as an

> > ox and abuses his body at times without ill effects.

> >

> > HOWEVER, I do not want to buy into that too much, because taking

> care of our

> > health should be important to every one of us. Its not that I am

> weak, its

> > how I function best!

> >

> > Madeleen

> >

> >

> >

> > nne Skoog <mskoog@> wrote:

> >

> > " ...according to the blood type doctor, D'Dadamo, has very

> fragile

> > health. I tend to believe his theory has a lot of truth, although

> not total

> > truth, LOL (what does?!), in part because his theory about non-

> secretors,

> > which he writes about a lot in his books, fits me SO WELL!! It

was

> like

> > having someone tell me why I have had to work so hard all my life

> at taking

> > care of my health.

> >

> > Hi ,

> > you seem to be speaking for me!! I've been that way ever since

> babyhood,

> > although motherhood strengthened my system for awhile. I also

have

> blood

> > type A(+). In fact, I'd like to suggest that probably many of the

> girls on

> > this page have frailer than normal health, especially those - at

> least

> > formerly - with strong menopausal discomforts and auto-immune

> problems.

> > What's the name of the book?

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I am A+ also and very interested in the name of the book and what

> he means

> > by non-secretors. I do have Eat Right 4 Your Type, from 1996. Is

> this a

> > newer book you like so well or do I just need to re-read the book

I

> have?

> > nne

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't it be funny if we were all Type As?

>

>

> A lot of type A people on this list!

>

[Guest guest]

> Lynn has me rethinking my raw milk, but that is a really hard thing

> for me as I love it and love cooking with it. My oldest grandaughter

> is 2.5 yrs. now and they are going to move in with us for a couple of

> months next week. She went from breast to raw milk and is the

> healthiest kid I have ever seen. She also takes her Carlson's cod

> liver oil everyday. I will have to do some more research. My old

> doctor practices a Paleo diet and I have to say he looks fantastic

> for his age, which I don't know what that is but he has grown

> children. I would like to see his wife! Men usually age so much

> better than us women.

>

-----> Sonii I sure hear ya on the milk. It's really, really hard.

I'm still not there and am not sure I ever will be (and may not need to)

The more I read though ...the more controversial it's sounding. The

paleo stuff talks about it being insulin inducing despite it's low

glycemic index.

Cordian (wrote the paleo diet book) also has some interesing

observations on a high saturated fat diet that Sally Fallon and

Enig believe in. I'm questing that high sat fat diet too. Really am

becoming more moderated with those.

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/faqs/#Misc

Lynn

[Guest guest]

That was interesting reading. Seems that Fallon and Enig might be the next Lees.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Lynn

Cordian (wrote the paleo diet book) also has some interesingobservations on a high saturated fat diet that Sally Fallon and Enig believe in. I'm questing that high sat fat diet too. Really ambecoming more moderated with those.http://www.thepaleodiet.com/faqs/#Misc

..

[Guest guest]

> That was interesting reading. Seems that Fallon and Enig might be

the next

> Lees.

------> I don't know. I'm just starting to explore Cordain's work more

closely. He says stuff I wonder at with seed oils (he likes canola

....wonder if he's ever looked at how it's processed).

I just read a fascinating book called " Land of Naked People " by

Madhsree Mukerjee. She spent time with the tribes that still live as

our stone age ancestors off the coast of India. (they almost all

survived the tsunami even though their islands were in the direct

path..amazingly they read the signs and went to higher grounds)

I was looking for more diet details than her interest area was in but

the book is fascinating regardless.

Anyhow...here's a somewhat enlightening insight into thier diets.

http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter15/text15.htm

(i'm hooked right now on reading about all this right now!)

THe article is somewhat enlightening because it's frustratingly low on

details on thier actual daily diets. They prize the highest fat foods

like pork. Although I would think the wild pigs they kill are much

leaner than the feedlot ones we buy.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

So Liz, what IS your secretor type? Do you remember?

In rhythmicliving , " Liz Vernand " wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Go to here

> http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?user_action=list

> <http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?

user_action=list & category

> =Self-Testing%3B%20Blood%20Grouping%20Tests>

> & category=Self-Testing%3B%20Blood%20Grouping%20Tests

>

> I did the secretor test also. I don't remember it costing so much

but it was

> a few years ago. The other test is not that bad.

>

> Liz

>

> _____

>

> From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of

> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:19 AM

> To: rhythmicliving

> Subject: Re: , - blood test and

frail health

>

>

>

> Yahoo has been fooling around big time with these settings!

> Annoying!

> Anyway, I need to find out my blood type. I can't find a single

> piece of paper stating what it is. Shouldn't it be on our birth

> records?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > geez, I do not know what yahoo has done, but I cannot delete part

> of the message now either. Its either all or nothing.

> >

> > nne/,

> > I am also an A+ and have had to always take extra care health

> wise to make sure I stay healthy. So there is probable something in

> that. I just cannot abuse my body. My son is the same way. My

> husband is an O and strong as an ox and abuses his body at times

> without ill effects.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just keep in mind that all the generalities I have said about blood

type are just that -- generalities. Your experience sounds very

normal to me. It is only the 10-20% of all blood types (O, A, etc.)

who are non-secretors like I am who tend to have the most fragile

health. All of this is explained in depth in Dr. D'Adamo's books. I

heard him lecture once and he said to the audience that if you are

not sick, then you don't need to change what you are doing. But if

you are having health problems, and what you are trying isn't

working, take a look at blood type theory. I have had problems all my

life and most things don't work. But many healthy people don't find

the theory very relevant, for obvious reasons. And it isn't the

answer to everything, that is for sure! That is why I use the food

lists as a guide in my life and ignore most of the rest of the theory

(especially the part about supplements, etc.). And just because a

food, such as soy, works well with your blood type, that doesn't mean

it is good for YOU! People can be allergic to soy, dairy, etc., and

we shouldn't throw out our common sense if we decide to use blood

type theory. He also says in his books that healthy people can easily

eat as much as 30-40% of EACH DAY's diet from the avoids for their

blood type and do fine. It is only if they get sick that they need to

be stricter about cutting out the avoids. So with your healthy

family, you are obviously doing what you need to be doing, even

within the theory of blood type diet! That is why I don't participate

on the official blood type list, I can't or won't deal with all the

fanatics! LOL

In rhythmicliving , " Sonii Nagel " wrote:

>

> Ok, I have been following this thread on the blood type for a

while

> and decided I had to post. I am an A pos. and so is my husband and

> also my four children. A few years ago some friends got into this

> diet with their expensive out of state " doctor " who they tried to

get

> me involoved with. I got frustrated because it seemed that she was

> only interested in money and selling supplements (and using them to

> invest in her many ideas) Anyway, I got turned off. One thing was

> soy was on the list for A and I had just gotten off soy after years

> of soy milk for me and my family. We had avoided store bought milk

> due to lactose intolerance of my first two children or so it

> seemed?? I think it was just pasturized and homogenized milk now.

> Also other things like tomatoes, certain fish etc.

>

> I have never thought of myself as having frail health. Even as a

> child and eating junk food and a less than optimal diet, I had a

> pretty good constitution and was hardly sick and didn't have

> allergies. I got more into health food and nutrition/supplements

as

> a teenager and young mother. All four of my daughters grew up on

> herbs/vitamins and never had an antibiotic as children(or

> vaccinations). They always took their cod liver oil and avoided

> sugar. We ate lots of veggies/organic chicken, some fish and not

> much meat. I thought it clogged you up back then. We eat natural

> meats now and have for a few years since starting raw milk/cheese/

> butter and more of a Weston Price diet.-

>

> My husband has always been healthy as an ox and rarely got ill even

> though he abused his body and diet at work drinking lots of coffee

> and eating whatever for lunch including sodas. Now at 50 he is

> slowing down a bit but doing better by adding Armour and

testosterone

> to his routine.

>

> I had four pregnancies each two years apart and nursed babies for

> almost eight years. My hormones were always up and down, all over

> the map and I was always looking for ways to balance them.(Looking

> back, I just had too many kids! too close together) I took herbs,

> did cleanses, took chinese medicine and lots of supplements while

> watching diet and then I found Wiley at 42. Wish I had never gone

> down that path!

>

> I am off everything(except armour) for three weeks now and doing

> really well. My doctor thought that the excess hormones could clear

> in 15 days, not sure I buy that, but anyway he wants me to start on

> Lugol's and do a gland/liver cleanse. I have not had any hot

> flashing or mood swings and just went through a regular cycle on

day

> 30 although it was the most crampy period I have had in years. I

> will retest my hormones in about a month with saliva and serum to

see

> how things have settled. I guess the only thing now that is really

> upsetting is all the weight I have gained doing this Wiley

Experiment

> and I have never had to battle weight. Even after pregnancies it

> came off within a couple of months with nursing. My doctor thinks

it

> will come off as the excess hormones clear out of my system. I

walk

> a couple of miles each morning with my dogs but that is all I am

> doing right now.

>

> Lynn has me rethinking my raw milk, but that is a really hard thing

> for me as I love it and love cooking with it. My oldest

grandaughter

> is 2.5 yrs. now and they are going to move in with us for a couple

of

> months next week. She went from breast to raw milk and is the

> healthiest kid I have ever seen. She also takes her Carlson's cod

> liver oil everyday. I will have to do some more research. My old

> doctor practices a Paleo diet and I have to say he looks fantastic

> for his age, which I don't know what that is but he has grown

> children. I would like to see his wife! Men usually age so much

> better than us women.

>

> Just my two cents.

>

> PS, my dad is that rare AB blood type and he is 77 and in great

> health. Playing golf, and substitute teaching at the local high

> school in their small town. He gardens and is very active.

>

> Sonii

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In rhythmicliving , " MacIlhaney "

> <macmcilhaneys@> wrote:

> >

> > Men often seem healthier than women in general anyway, don't you

> > think? But it usually does catch up and they die sooner as a

> result,

> > studies have been telling us that for years. Men's life spans are

> > shorter because they don't take care of themselves, ignore health

> > problems, etc. etc., and women are better about taking care of

> > themselves. We try to take care of the men too, but that isn't

> always

> > easy...LOL Blood type O secretors seem to do the best of all

blood

> > types when they switch to the type O diet. But if you are a non-

> > secretor O, you have very fragile health in general, has been my

> > observation. My husband and I have worked with some O-NS and I

have

> > read about a lot on the blood type lists. You should find out

what

> > you are. I think it would be helpful for you.

> > There are 27 subtypes of blood type A and so there still is much

to

> > be learned. The blood type diet as Dr. D'Adamo teaches it works

> great

> > for some type A folks and not so well for others, but most type O

> who

> > try it seem to do well with it if they need improvements in their

> > health. I don't even know if there are any subtypes among O

except

> > the secretors and non-secretors.

> > But Dr. D talks about A1, A2, and then there are blood tests that

> can

> > determine other subtypes for A. My husband is one that is so

rare,

> > only six percent of all Caucasians (he has Sephardic Jew and UK

> > genes) are that type, Dr. D says, and he doesn't seem to know

> exactly

> > what food lists they should use, just tells them to use the non-

> > secretor lists, even if they test out as a secretor. So my

husband

> > and I eat for A-NS, but we are SO different actually in terms of

> what

> > foods work well for us and which ones don't, although we stick

> > carefully to the A-NS lists. You O types are lucky, for your

blood

> > type apparently doesn't have all of these complexities that make

it

> > hard to know what to do.

> >

> >

> >

> > n rhythmicliving , " Liz Vernand " <liz@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I am an O and feel like I have less then good health. My

husband

> is

> > an A and

> > > eats crap, doesn't exercise much and is healthy. (not to say it

> > won't catch

> > > up to him).

> > >

> > > Liz

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From: rhythmicliving

> > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> > > On Behalf Of Madeleen

> > > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:49 AM

> > > To: rhythmicliving

> > > Subject: RE: , - blood test and

> > frail health

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > geez, I do not know what yahoo has done, but I cannot delete

part

> > of the

> > > message now either. Its either all or nothing.

> > >

> > > nne/,

> > > I am also an A+ and have had to always take extra care health

> wise

> > to make

> > > sure I stay healthy. So there is probable something in that.

I

> > just cannot

> > > abuse my body. My son is the same way. My husband is an O and

> > strong as an

> > > ox and abuses his body at times without ill effects.

> > >

> > > HOWEVER, I do not want to buy into that too much, because

taking

> > care of our

> > > health should be important to every one of us. Its not that I

am

> > weak, its

> > > how I function best!

> > >

> > > Madeleen

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > nne Skoog <mskoog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " ...according to the blood type doctor, D'Dadamo, has

very

> > fragile

> > > health. I tend to believe his theory has a lot of truth,

although

> > not total

> > > truth, LOL (what does?!), in part because his theory about non-

> > secretors,

> > > which he writes about a lot in his books, fits me SO WELL!! It

> was

> > like

> > > having someone tell me why I have had to work so hard all my

life

> > at taking

> > > care of my health.

> > >

> > > Hi ,

> > > you seem to be speaking for me!! I've been that way ever since

> > babyhood,

> > > although motherhood strengthened my system for awhile. I also

> have

> > blood

> > > type A(+). In fact, I'd like to suggest that probably many of

the

> > girls on

> > > this page have frailer than normal health, especially those -

at

> > least

> > > formerly - with strong menopausal discomforts and auto-immune

> > problems.

> > > What's the name of the book?

> > >

> > > Hi ,

> > > I am A+ also and very interested in the name of the book and

what

> > he means

> > > by non-secretors. I do have Eat Right 4 Your Type, from 1996.

Is

> > this a

> > > newer book you like so well or do I just need to re-read the

book

> I

> > have?

> > > nne

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

That makes sense to me. My friends are sorta fanatical about the

blood type diet too and it drives me crazy. They also don't eat any

pork, which is fine, but their's is not a religious conviction but

this doctor has them paranoid about parasites/worms! I don't know

how you all feel about pork, but we avoided it for years, then I

started using it more and more when I started culinary school and got

into Weston Price and grass fed animals. I also feed my dogs and

cats a raw food diet/more species appropriate and use a lot of pork

for them. The raw feeding list I am on has its share of fanatics too

but they lean the other way and insist that pork in America does not

have parasites. My daughter swears they had to look at the parasites

in her college biology class under the microscope! I am just trying

to be a little more moderate about things these days. Lessons

learned after years of soy milk and avoiding dairy and now after high

levels of WP hormones. I think the excess of anything can screw us

up! I think our bodies and our animals bodies if fed a healthy diet

can deal with parasites and other bugs especially if we have a

healthy immune system. Everything in balance.

Sonii

>

> Just keep in mind that all the generalities I have said about blood

> type are just that -- generalities. Your experience sounds very

> normal to me. It is only the 10-20% of all blood types (O, A, etc.)

> who are non-secretors like I am who tend to have the most fragile

> health. All of this is explained in depth in Dr. D'Adamo's books. I

> heard him lecture once and he said to the audience that if you are

> not sick, then you don't need to change what you are doing. But if

> you are having health problems, and what you are trying isn't

> working, take a look at blood type theory. I have had problems all

my

> life and most things don't work. But many healthy people don't find

> the theory very relevant, for obvious reasons. And it isn't the

> answer to everything, that is for sure! That is why I use the food

> lists as a guide in my life and ignore most of the rest of the

theory

> (especially the part about supplements, etc.). And just because a

> food, such as soy, works well with your blood type, that doesn't

mean

> it is good for YOU! People can be allergic to soy, dairy, etc., and

> we shouldn't throw out our common sense if we decide to use blood

> type theory. He also says in his books that healthy people can

easily

> eat as much as 30-40% of EACH DAY's diet from the avoids for their

> blood type and do fine. It is only if they get sick that they need

to

> be stricter about cutting out the avoids. So with your healthy

> family, you are obviously doing what you need to be doing, even

> within the theory of blood type diet! That is why I don't

participate

> on the official blood type list, I can't or won't deal with all the

> fanatics! LOL

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This got me thinking, since I don't want to spend so much money to know

about my " secreting " whatever. Could it have to do with glands - lymph-,

sweat- digestive-, saliva and hormone glands doing their secreting when

appropriate ?

If so, I for sure am on the " low side " of it. Had to take enzymes

and vites since my thirties for digestion, couldn't digest whipping cream as

a child (at birthday parties) and animal fat on meat made me choke, had

scant and " skipped " periods, never sweat a pearl when doing tennis matches,

hardly wet under arms...

What do you guys think about your own " peculiarities " if any ?

Cheereo,

Charlotte

Re: , - blood test and

> frail health

>>

>>

>>

>> Yahoo has been fooling around big time with these settings!

>> Annoying!

>> Anyway, I need to find out my blood type. I can't find a single

>> piece of paper stating what it is. Shouldn't it be on our birth

>> records?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >

>> > geez, I do not know what yahoo has done, but I cannot delete part

>> of the message now either. Its either all or nothing.

>> >

>> > nne/,

>> > I am also an A+ and have had to always take extra care health

>> wise to make sure I stay healthy. So there is probable something in

>> that. I just cannot abuse my body. My son is the same way. My

>> husband is an O and strong as an ox and abuses his body at times

>> without ill effects.

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

> medical advice.**

>

[Guest guest]

I have been active on blood type lists involving hundreds and

hundreds of people over the last six years and as a result feel I

have a pretty good handle on some of the details. My observation has

been that secretors and non-secretors alike can appear to have

fragile health with a lot of issues, and some of the most severe

illnesses seem to be in secretors, at least at younger ages. The

difference seems to be that secretors can often get well, be healed,

find solutions. Non-secretors often appear to be hypochondriacs, with

a lot of non-life-threatening problems, but it always is something or

other, to the point where people in our lives quit taking us

seriously! And apparently, the non-secretors who don't take care of

themselves don't age as well as the secretors do in general. ALL of

this is speaking in generalities, and until you know your blood and

some of your subtypes, not just secretor, it all is theory and fairly

useless. Once you have some facts about yourself and start studying

the stats, and have a good handle on your family's health history and

genetic predispositions, it is amazing how much blood type theory can

put a lot of things about your health and your family's health in

perspective, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CHOOSE TO USE THE THEORY IN YOUR

DAILY DIET!

As for secretor and non-secretor definitions, they actually are terms

used for decades by police! Before DNA testing, crime evidence

depended heavily on blood typing (rape, etc.), but ONLY secretors

secrete their blood type in ALL of their bodily fluids, such as semen.

Before DNA testing, non-secretors could get away with a LOT of stuff

because they didn't secrete their blood type in any of their bodily

fluids. A non-secretor rapist's blood type does not show up in his

semen, for example. His blood type only shows up in actual blood, so

if he didn't leave any blood at the scene of a crime, he wouldn't

leave any blood-type related evidence the way secretors do.

I read crime mysteries a lot, and secretors and non-secretors are

mentioned sometimes in those, I notice. But I can't help but wonder

if writers in recent years mention those terms more because blood

type theory has made them more well-known to the general population

than they were when only crime detectives and forensics specialists

understood them. Or maybe the novels I read years ago mentioned those

terms and I ignored them since I myself didn't know what they meant.

But also many of the terms used in forensics are more common today

than they once were, due to TV shows like CSI.

In rhythmicliving , " Charlotte N. "

wrote:

>

> This got me thinking, since I don't want to spend so much money to

know

> about my " secreting " whatever. Could it have to do with glands -

lymph-,

> sweat- digestive-, saliva and hormone glands doing their secreting

when

> appropriate ?

>

> If so, I for sure am on the " low side " of it. Had to take enzymes

> and vites since my thirties for digestion, couldn't digest whipping

cream as

> a child (at birthday parties) and animal fat on meat made me

choke, had

> scant and " skipped " periods, never sweat a pearl when doing tennis

matches,

> hardly wet under arms...

> What do you guys think about your own " peculiarities " if any ?

> Cheereo,

> Charlotte

>

> Re: , - blood test and

> > frail health

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Yahoo has been fooling around big time with these settings!

> >> Annoying!

> >> Anyway, I need to find out my blood type. I can't find a single

> >> piece of paper stating what it is. Shouldn't it be on our birth

> >> records?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> > geez, I do not know what yahoo has done, but I cannot delete

part

> >> of the message now either. Its either all or nothing.

> >> >

> >> > nne/,

> >> > I am also an A+ and have had to always take extra care health

> >> wise to make sure I stay healthy. So there is probable something

in

> >> that. I just cannot abuse my body. My son is the same way. My

> >> husband is an O and strong as an ox and abuses his body at times

> >> without ill effects.

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

intended as

> > medical advice.**

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi and All,

I guess no crime author even dreamed of secretor-type and

" non-secretor-type criminals " . Even if aware of the " secretor-element " ,

most probably don't know of any connection to crime.

I don't know of any crimes I have committed - yet! So I guess after all I'm

not a non-secretor like I thought (?), - or they just haven't caught me " in

the act " yet....LOL?

Interesting aspect... Are some of us, maybe, " criminals in the making "

because of non-secretion ? So hormone balance is urgent for us - or we may

go to jail ?

Cheereo,

Charlotte

-------------------

Re: , - blood test and

> frail health

>>

>>

>> > So Liz, what IS your secretor type? Do you remember?

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Edna Buchanan is a Pulitzer-Prize-winning police reporter who now

writes mystery novels and hers is one of the books where those terms

are used. Given her police reporting backgound, I am sure she knows

all about the secretor stuff, and did long before blood type theory

made it much more well known in the general population. But I would

assume, too, that most crime writers, if they don't have a background

in police reporting for the news media, wouldn't know about it, I

agree completely.

Ironically, speaking of us non-secretor potential criminals like

myself, LOL, the statistics show, according to Dr. D'Adamo and his

dad, who gather stats like these, that non-secretor blood type A

almost always has an alcoholic in their family, or more, even if they

themselves are not one! And that certainly is true for me, at least

three generations of men with the kind of alcoholism that tends to

get them from the very first drink and ruins lives, or did in the

past before treatment became more common as it is today. And yet

ironically again, Dr. D says non-secretor A benefits more than any

other blood and subtype from a little bit of wine regularly, but he

does not advocate heavy drinking for anyone of course.

I will never know if my alcoholic relatives are/were non-secretors or

even their blood type, but at least one committed criminal acts,

although not the kind where blood type would have mattered, nor

secretor type.

As I have said before, the more I learned about non-secretors of

blood type A by reading the D'Adamo books, the more convinced I

became there must be something to the entire theory, for it fits me

and my life and even my relatives all too well!!! Uncannily so!

It often is the abnormalities in life that tend to classify

us. 'Normality' in anything is always the hardest to classify, and I

find it is more 'normal' folks, healthwise, often who are the most

skeptical of blood type theory, for they don't have big problems that

need solving, it seems all too often.

When you spend your life trying to find solutions and explanations

for your problems, as I feel I have in the realm of my health, you

tend to latch onto the theories that at least explain the problems

you have, since even finding explanations is often hard, or has been

for me! But even then, only personal trial and error will tell you

whether the theory's solutions can be helpful for you specifically.

But no, I haven't found the need to resort to crime just because I am

a non-secretor, LOL. With DNA testing, it doesn't matter anymore

anyway! LOL

In rhythmicliving , " Charlotte N. "

wrote:

>

> Hi and All,

> I guess no crime author even dreamed of secretor-type and

> " non-secretor-type criminals " . Even if aware of the " secretor-

element " ,

> most probably don't know of any connection to crime.

>

> I don't know of any crimes I have committed - yet! So I guess after

all I'm

> not a non-secretor like I thought (?), - or they just haven't

caught me " in

> the act " yet....LOL?

> Interesting aspect... Are some of us, maybe, " criminals in the

making "

> because of non-secretion ? So hormone balance is urgent for us - or

we may

> go to jail ?

> Cheereo,

> Charlotte

> -------------------

> Re: , - blood test and

> > frail health

> >>

> >>

> >> > So Liz, what IS your secretor type? Do you remember?

> >> >

> >> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Lynn has me rethinking my raw milk, but that is a really hard thing> for me as I love it and love cooking with it. My oldest grandaughter> is 2.5 yrs. now and they are going to move in with us for a couple of> months next week.

--------> I know this is an old post but since Charolette moved it up I

want to add what Dr. Delcher told me. He's the endo I'm currently

working with who believes in gut damage primarily from gluten.

On dairy he thinks that cow is harder and the inability to utilize casein

is tied with gluten damage and might go away once that damage is healed.

(around 1-3 years for most people). Gaot is okay for most since the protiens

are different. I'm doing fine with some raw goat yogurt.

Butter and cream ...anything high fat is okay because the fat carries most the

casien right through the gut.

Lynn