Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Oh - I think you were right -- I think my doctor is trying to kill me!! I started to bleed heavy last week again and I figured I would TRY to use the 200 mg suppositories she had made up for me to see if I'd be okay with it. Forget it. Yesterday morning, I woke up withe painful spasms in my neck and shoulder area (my weak spot that leads to migraines) and of course a migraine was coming on or what I call a muscle tension headache. Also, my wrist and ankles were aching. And this has been my problem with progesterone ever since I started with that Wiley Protocol of course. She believes that I have this problem, but it really makes a tough case for anyone who takes me on as a patient as to what to do. I get to a point where I feel good with the E dose I'm taking and then I start to bleed. The trick is getting the right P dose now. But frankly, I have only ONE week out of the month where I'm NOT bleeding. This is not ideal. For whatever reason, my body does not accept progesterone and gives me a good kick in the pants to let me know. Hopefully, all of the doctors who believe we only need it every 3 months are correct. In the meantime, I'm now headed to the gyno on Friday. Val -- do you think the oral P would work better for my bleeds? > > 200 mg of vaginal P is far, far different than 100 mg of oral P. > > Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 I think low E and excess P make you bleed. I think you need an ultrasound and biopsy. If all is okay, I'd get my E up to 70 - 114 and hold it there for a couple of months and then try a course of P to see if you have a bleed. This month, I'm taking 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days. So far, it has not been as hard on me as the 50 mg vaginal. On that, I got severely sore breasts. That makes me think that 50 mg vaginal P is MORE than 200 mg oral P. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Oh - I think you were right -- I think my doctor is trying to kill me!! I started to bleed heavy last week again and I figured I would TRY to use the 200 mg suppositories she had made up for me to see if I'd be okay with it. Forget it. Yesterday morning, I woke up withe painful spasms in my neck and shoulder area (my weak spot that leads to migraines) and of course a migraine was coming on or what I call a muscle tension headache. Also, my wrist and ankles were aching. And this has been my problem with progesterone ever since I started with that Wiley Protocol of course. She believes that I have this problem, but it really makes a tough case for anyone who takes me on as a patient as to what to do. I get to a point where I feel good with the E dose I'm taking and then I start to bleed. The trick is getting the right P dose now. But frankly, I have only ONE week out of the month where I'm NOT bleeding. This is not ideal. For whatever reason, my body does not accept progesterone and gives me a good kick in the pants to let me know. Hopefully, all of the doctors who believe we only need it every 3 months are correct. In the meantime, I'm now headed to the gyno on Friday. Val -- do you think the oral P would work better for my bleeds? .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Val, Atlanta Girl and I suspect that 200mg oral dose is about 20mg vaginal... , when there's not enough of endometrical buildup...P has nothing to cleanse, and bleeding occurs...i totally agree with ultrasound suggestion..also endometrium can be very fragile, and then blood vessels can break and cause bleeding as well..but the constant bleeding like this gotta be more than just blood vessels -Valarie wrote: I think low E and excess P make you bleed. I think you need an ultrasound and biopsy. If all is okay, I'd get my E up to 70 - 114 and hold it there for a couple of months and then try a course of P to see if you have a bleed. This month, I'm taking 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days. So far, it has not been as hard on me as the 50 mg vaginal. On that, I got severely sore breasts. That makes me think that 50 mg vaginal P is MORE than 200 mg oral P. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Oh - I think you were right -- I think my doctor is trying to kill me!! I started to bleed heavy last week again and I figured I would TRY to use the 200 mg suppositories she had made up for me to see if I'd be okay with it. Forget it. Yesterday morning, I woke up withe painful spasms in my neck and shoulder area (my weak spot that leads to migraines) and of course a migraine was coming on or what I call a muscle tension headache. Also, my wrist and ankles were aching. And this has been my problem with progesterone ever since I started with that Wiley Protocol of course. She believes that I have this problem, but it really makes a tough case for anyone who takes me on as a patient as to what to do. I get to a point where I feel good with the E dose I'm taking and then I start to bleed. The trick is getting the right P dose now. But frankly, I have only ONE week out of the month where I'm NOT bleeding. This is not ideal. For whatever reason, my body does not accept progesterone and gives me a good kick in the pants to let me know. Hopefully, all of the doctors who believe we only need it every 3 months are correct. In the meantime, I'm now headed to the gyno on Friday. Val -- do you think the oral P would work better for my bleeds? . #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 this is weird Val, because the pharmacist told me (and others) that vaginal P has LESS systemic problems than topicals or orals. I use the Prochieve (45 mg) and have NO problem at all! You shouldn't be getting sore breasts with vaginal P (BUT we are ALL different). By the way, I HAD my E up to 60 and was still hot flashing like crazy. And the ultrasound will show the same thing I'm sure - " fibroid uterus " . The thing I don't understand is that I am not supposed to have any blood flow to my uterus since I had the uterine artery supply cut off!! I also don't think I need a biopsy - all this is happening because of the way I'm messing around with these hormones. I just have to get the balance right. It's not a great idea keep getting biopsies. You end up with scar tissue and then another whole set of problems. Are you saying I should just use E for a couple of months and then use P? > > I think low E and excess P make you bleed. I think you need an ultrasound > and biopsy. If all is okay, I'd get my E up to 70 - 114 and hold it there > for a couple of months and then try a course of P to see if you have a > bleed. > > This month, I'm taking 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days. So far, it has > not been as hard on me as the 50 mg vaginal. On that, I got severely sore > breasts. That makes me think that 50 mg vaginal P is MORE than 200 mg oral > P. > > Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 20 mg vaginal = 200 oral sounds about right. I'm not sure how to get those 200 mg suppositories cut in EIGHT pieces though. It is hard enough to cut them into four pieces. They splinter enough that I probably get about 45 mg from each 1/4. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Cremin Val, Atlanta Girl and I suspect that 200mg oral dose is about 20mg vaginal... , when there's not enough of endometrical buildup...P has nothing to cleanse, and bleeding occurs...i totally agree with ultrasound suggestion..also endometrium can be very fragile, and then blood vessels can break and cause bleeding as well..but the constant bleeding like this gotta be more than just blood vessels -Valarie wrote: I think low E and excess P make you bleed. I think you need an ultrasound and biopsy. If all is okay, I'd get my E up to 70 - 114 and hold it there for a couple of months and then try a course of P to see if you have a bleed. This month, I'm taking 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days. So far, it has not been as hard on me as the 50 mg vaginal. On that, I got severely sore breasts. That makes me think that 50 mg vaginal P is MORE than 200 mg oral P. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Funny but my doctor always told me " unopposed E is dangerous " . But who says E is unopposed if you just use P every couple of months? But most doctors will tell you to take the P EVERY DAY. > > I think low E and excess P make you bleed. I think you need an ultrasound > and biopsy. If all is okay, I'd get my E up to 70 - 114 and hold it there > for a couple of months and then try a course of P to see if you have a > bleed. > > This month, I'm taking 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days. So far, it has > not been as hard on me as the 50 mg vaginal. On that, I got severely sore > breasts. That makes me think that 50 mg vaginal P is MORE than 200 mg oral > P. > > Val > -----Original Message----- > From: rhythmicliving > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > Oh - I think you were right -- I think my doctor is trying > to kill me!! I started to bleed heavy last week again and I figured > I would TRY to use the 200 mg suppositories she had made up for me > to see if I'd be okay with it. Forget it. Yesterday morning, I woke > up withe painful spasms in my neck and shoulder area (my weak spot > that leads to migraines) and of course a migraine was coming on or > what I call a muscle tension headache. Also, my wrist and ankles > were aching. > > And this has been my problem with progesterone ever since I started > with that Wiley Protocol of course. She believes that I have this > problem, but it really makes a tough case for anyone who takes me on > as a patient as to what to do. I get to a point where I feel good > with the E dose I'm taking and then I start to bleed. The trick is > getting the right P dose now. But frankly, I have only ONE week out > of the month where I'm NOT bleeding. This is not ideal. For > whatever reason, my body does not accept progesterone and gives me a > good kick in the pants to let me know. Hopefully, all of the > doctors who believe we only need it every 3 months are correct. In > the meantime, I'm now headed to the gyno on Friday. > > Val -- do you think the oral P would work better for my bleeds? > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 E is only dangerous for your endometrium..if you monitor your endometrium through ultrasound you minimize the risks significantly -J. wrote: Funny but my doctor always told me "unopposed E is dangerous". But who says E is unopposed if you just use P every couple of months? But most doctors will tell you to take the P EVERY DAY. >> I think low E and excess P make you bleed. I think you need an ultrasound> and biopsy. If all is okay, I'd get my E up to 70 - 114 and hold it there> for a couple of months and then try a course of P to see if you have a> bleed.> > This month, I'm taking 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days. So far, it has> not been as hard on me as the 50 mg vaginal. On that, I got severely sore> breasts. That makes me think that 50 mg vaginal P is MORE than 200 mg oral> P.> > Val> -----Original Message-----> From: rhythmicliving > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > Oh - I think you were right -- I think my doctor is trying> to kill me!! I started to bleed heavy last week again and I figured> I would TRY to use the 200 mg suppositories she had made up for me> to see if I'd be okay with it. Forget it. Yesterday morning, I woke> up withe painful spasms in my neck and shoulder area (my weak spot> that leads to migraines) and of course a migraine was coming on or> what I call a muscle tension headache. Also, my wrist and ankles> were aching.> > And this has been my problem with progesterone ever since I started> with that Wiley Protocol of course. She believes that I have this> problem, but it really makes a tough case for anyone who takes me on> as a patient as to what to do. I get to a point where I feel good> with the E dose I'm taking and then I start to bleed. The trick is> getting the right P dose now. But frankly, I have only ONE week out> of the month where I'm NOT bleeding. This is not ideal. For> whatever reason, my body does not accept progesterone and gives me a> good kick in the pants to let me know. Hopefully, all of the> doctors who believe we only need it every 3 months are correct. In> the meantime, I'm now headed to the gyno on Friday.> > Val -- do you think the oral P would work better for my bleeds?> .> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Well taking 5 mg of biest a day sublingually HAS to be building up SOMEwhat. I started bleeding after using E for 7 days with no P. But with what I've been doing, I'm sure my body is very confused! The thing is - you can really equate oral doses to vaginal doses. If you take vaginal P, it is meant to target the uterus only, isn't it? > I think low E and excess P make you bleed. I think you need an ultrasound and biopsy. If all is okay, I'd get my E up to 70 - 114 and hold it there for a couple of months and then try a course of P to see if you have a bleed. > > This month, I'm taking 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days. So far, it has not been as hard on me as the 50 mg vaginal. On that, I got severely sore breasts. That makes me think that 50 mg vaginal P is MORE than 200 mg oral P. > > Val > -----Original Message----- > From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > Oh - I think you were right -- I think my doctor is trying > to kill me!! I started to bleed heavy last week again and I figured > I would TRY to use the 200 mg suppositories she had made up for me > to see if I'd be okay with it. Forget it. Yesterday morning, I woke > up withe painful spasms in my neck and shoulder area (my weak spot > that leads to migraines) and of course a migraine was coming on or > what I call a muscle tension headache. Also, my wrist and ankles > were aching. > > And this has been my problem with progesterone ever since I started > with that Wiley Protocol of course. She believes that I have this > problem, but it really makes a tough case for anyone who takes me on > as a patient as to what to do. I get to a point where I feel good > with the E dose I'm taking and then I start to bleed. The trick is > getting the right P dose now. But frankly, I have only ONE week out > of the month where I'm NOT bleeding. This is not ideal. For > whatever reason, my body does not accept progesterone and gives me a > good kick in the pants to let me know. Hopefully, all of the > doctors who believe we only need it every 3 months are correct. In > the meantime, I'm now headed to the gyno on Friday. > > Val -- do you think the oral P would work better for my bleeds? > > . > > > > > > > > #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Yes but how often are we to " monitor " it? It's not like my gynos know what to tell me to FIX it!! Supposedly, a little P goes a long way for the endometrium as well. > > E is only dangerous for your endometrium..if you monitor your endometrium through ultrasound you minimize the risks significantly > > -J. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 i don't think you can prevent systemic absorption even with vaginal...sure, the rest of your body gets less of P, but it still gets it..also remember that oral dose is 10 times stronger the transdermal dose because of liver bypass...so 200mg oral is the same as 20mg transdermal...vaginal doesn't go through liver either.. i do know that some of it gets stuck to uterine walls, but that's probably only about 5%?! wrote: Well taking 5 mg of biest a day sublingually HAS to be building up SOMEwhat. I started bleeding after using E for 7 days with no P. But with what I've been doing, I'm sure my body is very confused! The thing is - you can really equate oral doses to vaginal doses. If you take vaginal P, it is meant to target the uterus only, isn't it? > I think low E and excess P make you bleed. I think you need an ultrasound and biopsy. If all is okay, I'd get my E up to 70 - 114 and hold it there for a couple of months and then try a course of P to see if you have a bleed.> > This month, I'm taking 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days. So far, it has not been as hard on me as the 50 mg vaginal. On that, I got severely sore breasts. That makes me think that 50 mg vaginal P is MORE than 200 mg oral P.> > Val> -----Original Message-----> From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > Oh - I think you were right -- I think my doctor is trying > to kill me!! I started to bleed heavy last week again and I figured > I would TRY to use the 200 mg suppositories she had made up for me > to see if I'd be okay with it. Forget it. Yesterday morning, I woke > up withe painful spasms in my neck and shoulder area (my weak spot > that leads to migraines) and of course a migraine was coming on or > what I call a muscle tension headache. Also, my wrist and ankles > were aching. > > And this has been my problem with progesterone ever since I started > with that Wiley Protocol of course. She believes that I have this > problem, but it really makes a tough case for anyone who takes me on > as a patient as to what to do. I get to a point where I feel good > with the E dose I'm taking and then I start to bleed. The trick is > getting the right P dose now. But frankly, I have only ONE week out > of the month where I'm NOT bleeding. This is not ideal. For > whatever reason, my body does not accept progesterone and gives me a > good kick in the pants to let me know. Hopefully, all of the > doctors who believe we only need it every 3 months are correct. In > the meantime, I'm now headed to the gyno on Friday. > > Val -- do you think the oral P would work better for my bleeds? > > .> > > > > > > > #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 well, get the ultrasound..if the number is 5, you won't have to worry about getting another one for the next 6-12 months..if it's 10-13 then you probably want to repeat an ultrasound every couple of months..mine was 3!!! wrote: Yes but how often are we to "monitor" it? It's not like my gynos know what to tell me to FIX it!! Supposedly, a little P goes a long way for the endometrium as well. >> E is only dangerous for your endometrium..if you monitor your endometrium through ultrasound you minimize the risks significantly> > -J.> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 we've been experimenting with oral micronized progesterone from compounding pharmacy. -J.Valarie wrote: 20 mg vaginal = 200 oral sounds about right. I'm not sure how to get those 200 mg suppositories cut in EIGHT pieces though. It is hard enough to cut them into four pieces. They splinter enough that I probably get about 45 mg from each 1/4. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Cremin Val, Atlanta Girl and I suspect that 200mg oral dose is about 20mg vaginal... , when there's not enough of endometrical buildup...P has nothing to cleanse, and bleeding occurs...i totally agree with ultrasound suggestion..also endometrium can be very fragile, and then blood vessels can break and cause bleeding as well..but the constant bleeding like this gotta be more than just blood vessels -Valarie wrote: I think low E and excess P make you bleed. I think you need an ultrasound and biopsy. If all is okay, I'd get my E up to 70 - 114 and hold it there for a couple of months and then try a course of P to see if you have a bleed. This month, I'm taking 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days. So far, it has not been as hard on me as the 50 mg vaginal. On that, I got severely sore breasts. That makes me think that 50 mg vaginal P is MORE than 200 mg oral P. . #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Last ultraound I took in October, 2005, the endometrial echo was .3 cm. BUT, it said that there are multiple fibroids there. > > > > E is only dangerous for your endometrium..if you monitor your > endometrium through ultrasound you minimize the risks significantly > > > > -J. > > > > > > > > > > #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 so the bleeding is from fibroids then, not the endometrical build up...does P make fibroids shrink? wrote: Last ultraound I took in October, 2005, the endometrial echo was .3 cm. BUT, it said that there are multiple fibroids there.> >> > E is only dangerous for your endometrium..if you monitor your > endometrium through ultrasound you minimize the risks significantly> > > > -J.> > > > > > > > > > #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Well if P did that, I wouldn't have needed an uterine artery embolization. But I do know that E makes fibroids GROW. > > > > > > E is only dangerous for your endometrium..if you monitor your > > endometrium through ultrasound you minimize the risks significantly > > > > > > -J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare > > > > > > > > > > #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 so, what does make fibroids shrink? wrote: Well if P did that, I wouldn't have needed an uterine artery embolization. But I do know that E makes fibroids GROW. > > >> > > E is only dangerous for your endometrium..if you monitor your > > endometrium through ultrasound you minimize the risks significantly> > > > > > -J.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare> >> > > > > > > > #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Yes, I'm suggesting you lay off the P for a while -- that is, assuming you don't have hyperplasia or cancer. Of the gynos I've been to, every single one immediately does a biopsy upon hearing of abnormal bleeding. With no biopsy and with all that P, I do think your doctor might be trying to kill you. I do think vaginal P is less systemic than orals, but if you take enough vaginally, some of it is bound to spill over into the system. That's why I'm concluding that 50 mg vaginal P is much more than 200 mg oral P. I can't even address topicals because I don't believe they necessarily protect the uterus. Lee and now, probably Wiley, have played a dirty trick on women. I would guess your bleeding is from either 1) fibroids, or 2) inadequate estrogen and too much progesterone. Doesn't the uterine embolism procedure get rid of fibroids? If you're bleeding so much and the procedure you had is supposed to have cut off all blood supply to the uterus, something is terribly wrong. I really suggest you see a good gyno and not get your advice from the lists. Val -----Original Message-----From: this is weird Val, because the pharmacist told me (and others) that vaginal P has LESS systemic problems than topicals or orals. I use the Prochieve (45 mg) and have NO problem at all! You shouldn't be getting sore breasts with vaginal P (BUT we are ALL different). By the way, I HAD my E up to 60 and was still hot flashing like crazy. And the ultrasound will show the same thing I'm sure - "fibroid uterus". The thing I don't understand is that I am not supposed to have any blood flow to my uterus since I had the uterine artery supply cut off!! I also don't think I need a biopsy - all this is happening because of the way I'm messing around with these hormones. I just have to get the balance right. It's not a great idea keep getting biopsies. You end up with scar tissue and then another whole set of problems. Are you saying I should just use E for a couple of months and then use P? >> I think low E and excess P make you bleed. I think you need an ultrasound> and biopsy. If all is okay, I'd get my E up to 70 - 114 and hold it there> for a couple of months and then try a course of P to see if you have a> bleed.> > This month, I'm taking 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days. So far, it has> not been as hard on me as the 50 mg vaginal. On that, I got severely sore> breasts. That makes me think that 50 mg vaginal P is MORE than 200 mg oral> P.> > Val,_.___ .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 "Unopposed" E does not mean you have to take P every day. I am not aware that "most" doctors tell you to take P every day. You can choose to 1) use a small amount of P every day and have no uterine build-up, or 2) take P periodically and have a periodic bleed. Val -----Original Message-----From: Funny but my doctor always told me "unopposed E is dangerous". But who says E is unopposed if you just use P every couple of months? But most doctors will tell you to take the P EVERY DAY. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Yes I know this -- but DOCTORS don't! I can't tell you how many doctors look at me cross-eyed when I tell them what P does to me and that I only can tolerate minute doses of it. That's when they tell me that the " standard " dosing of P is 100 or 200 mg a day! I don't make this up believe me! > > " Unopposed " E does not mean you have to take P every day. I am not aware > that " most " doctors tell you to take P every day. You can choose to 1) use > a small amount of P every day and have no uterine build-up, or 2) take P > periodically and have a periodic bleed. > > Val > > -----Original Message----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 The "standard" dose of P is 100 mg/day orally, but certainly not vaginally. Val -----Original Message-----From: That's when they tell me that the "standard" dosing of P is 100 or 200 mg a day! I don't make this up believe me! .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Yes I'm going to a new gyno in a couple of weeks. My biopsies are always normal. I wrote in a previous post that my interventional radiologist who performed my procedure (embolization) offered me a SECOND procedure. No thanks! If it didnt' do the job the first time, I doubt it will now. It was a horribly painful procedure for me too. Not as easy as they say. All my hot flashing started directly after that procedure. It put me into instant menopause! Maybe my fibroids are getting blood supply from somewhere else (he told me that could happen - possibly the ovarian artery). So it's not foolproof. In any event, I feel confident that this latest bleeding is either me getting used to sublinguals and still not arriving at the right dose or my fibroids are being aggravated. I find that when I used the Prochieve 45 mg P gel, I do the best. The oral P doesn't seem to do much for me unless I just didn't take enough of it. I was given 75 mg (BID) but I started with aches and pains on that high an amount. I think I need it though for the bleeding not to occur. > > Yes, I'm suggesting you lay off the P for a while -- that is, assuming you > don't have hyperplasia or cancer. Of the gynos I've been to, every single > one immediately does a biopsy upon hearing of abnormal bleeding. With no > biopsy and with all that P, I do think your doctor might be trying to kill > you. > > I do think vaginal P is less systemic than orals, but if you take enough > vaginally, some of it is bound to spill over into the system. That's why > I'm concluding that 50 mg vaginal P is much more than 200 mg oral P. I > can't even address topicals because I don't believe they necessarily protect > the uterus. Lee and now, probably Wiley, have played a dirty trick on > women. > > I would guess your bleeding is from either 1) fibroids, or 2) inadequate > estrogen and too much progesterone. > > Doesn't the uterine embolism procedure get rid of fibroids? If you're > bleeding so much and the procedure you had is supposed to have cut off all > blood supply to the uterus, something is terribly wrong. I really suggest > you see a good gyno and not get your advice from the lists. > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Well there are plenty of doctors out there prescribing hormones that have no idea that there is a difference! > > The " standard " dose of P is 100 mg/day orally, but certainly not vaginally. > > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: > > > > That's when they tell > me that the " standard " dosing of P is 100 or 200 mg a day! I don't > make this up believe me! > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 I'm just wondering why the pharmacies even MAKE 200 mg vaginal suppositories. It was supposed to help with bleeding problems. > > The " standard " dose of P is 100 mg/day orally, but certainly not vaginally. > > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: > > > > That's when they tell > me that the " standard " dosing of P is 100 or 200 mg a day! I don't > make this up believe me! > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Which is precisely why we have to educate ourselves. Val -----Original Message-----From: Well there are plenty of doctors out there prescribing hormones that have no idea that there is a difference! .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 these are helpful for helping a woman to conceive...they do 200mg am and 200mg pm, for a premeno woman to induce her period *but of course those have functional ovaries* wrote: I'm just wondering why the pharmacies even MAKE 200 mg vaginal suppositories. It was supposed to help with bleeding problems. >> The "standard" dose of P is 100 mg/day orally, but certainly not vaginally.> > Val> > -----Original Message-----> From: > > > > That's when they tell > me that the "standard" dosing of P is 100 or 200 mg a day! I don't > make this up believe me! > > .> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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