Re: Another try with the oral E tabs from Belmar

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could someone please comment more about extra E converting into androgenic skin metabolite? I put my menopausal mom on 0.050 vivelle dot and some estrogel and she swears she's growing a beard?! i wouldn't believe it, but i never thought about androgenice metabolite in skin? where's it coming from?Laurel wrote: Hi Everyone,I'm back in the northwest and finishing my house. I wish I had more time to be on the group, but if I did then 6 months from now I'd still be in a construction zone and the kids schooling

wouldn't have progressed. (-: I've given the oral tabs from Belmar pharmacy another try and this time it seems to be working for a fairly smooth ride. Details below..For the newcomers; see at the end under my sign-off.Discussions with Nuimom and Madeleen got me thinking that I should give the oral tabs another try. I have been experiencing an unusual kind of acne since last summer and an odd peach fuzz on my face. I'm also noticing an usual amount of grey hairs (I barely had any before and it has happened very rapidly). My nails aren't as good. I suspect the E is interfering with my thyroid (SHBG?). I've been trying to get my OOE dose down and I can't managed below about 18 at the best. I'm concerned about contamination.I've been on the oral E tabs from Belmar for nearly two weeks. I have managed to get an even dosing of 3 x 2.5mg of the tabs and to stick with it. I figured out that it is important to

avoid any transdermal E so I can keep things as even as possible with the oral tabs. I will slowly bring the dose lower.The tabs are a different E experience for me. The over the top vaginal wetness from the OOE has gone. I almost feel dry( well in comparison!! LOL), but my body is adjusting quickly. The acne on my face is gone. Nuimom suspected that the skin receptors were metabolizing the E into some kind of androgenic metabolite and I suspect there is something to that. It also appears that the peach fuzz on my face isn't as prolific as before (I have been cutting it). The chin whisker growth is also much less. My skin is looking much nicer with the tabs. Oh, and when I switched over to the tabs I got a bleed and the other night I felt my ovary wake up. Oddly, I find I can take my evening dose and then get close to noon the next day without the next dose. I feel the need because I get a very bright red face

mask and my mind starts shutting down. The daytime dosing needs to be closer right now.My goal is to get the dose down and do a blood test in about 6 weeks to get a look at everything. This is feeling very good. It is remarkable how the tabs have held up. I drove to Alberta, loaded a 21 foot moving truck on my own, drove it back to Washington, and unloaded it myself. No I didn't pick a great time to convert my protocol. (-:Oh, I'm sleeping very well. This would be so great if it can continue to work. It is easy easy easy.Laurel____________________BTW, Welcome to the new members. Madeleen kindly took on the moderation duties for the list eons ago, but I still get the notices about new members joining the group. It seems women are still crashing on the WP and others who have gotten excited about the book and do research find the group before they too start slamming suprapharmalogical

doses of transdermal hormones.I'm 45 and started the protocol in Sept. 04. The E on the protocol felt great and the P felt good for two days and after that it was hell every two weeks til I stopped buying Wiley's threat that I'd get cancer if I didn't use the WP P dosing routine. I made it thru detox with extra E (HRT cream E, OOE, gel, and Estraderm patches). I had severe surges of the P coming out of my tissues. It would literally break out if I massaged the area I applied the WP P. I eventually settled on a routine with OOE, but traded some problems for others. I don't want to do transdermal hormones around my children. They got contaminated by their father's use (despite of extreme precaution) of the WP for men (confirmed by a children's endocrinologist). I tried the oral tabs in March, but it didn't seem to work (and I got very sick with flu) so I went back to what I knew worked.

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I've been on the oral E tabs from Belmar for nearly two weeks. I

have managed to get an even dosing of 3 x 2.5mg of the tabs and to

stick with it. I figured out that it is important to avoid any

transdermal E so I can keep things as even as possible with the oral

tabs. I will slowly bring the dose lower.

Bless You Laurel

for this report. I am going to try the tabs next! How did you decide on the

dose to start? I am using 23mg OOE now, 14mg OOT and 6.5mg P daily. I don’t

have trouble with the T and P that I know about. The E is just out so fast and

I feel I am using the absolutely smallest amount necessary. My blood level was

265 and for the first time elevated SHBG (I was using them sublingually at the

time).

In what

increments will you bring the dose lower?

Thank you so

much,

nne

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I don't want to do transdermal hormones around my children. They got

contaminated by their father's use (despite of extreme precaution) of

the WP for men (confirmed by a children's endocrinologist).

Laurel,

Would you elaborate

on this please? What did you notice about your children? How did they confirm

it? I am very worried about my son getting the hormones too. I try and

put them under loose clothes. Could he still get contaminated with that? Where

was your husband applying it?

Thanks again, nne

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I've given the oral tabs from Belmar pharmacy

Does anyone have

the address for the info on the time released E tabs? I can’t seem to

find it on Belmar’s site.

Thanks,

nne

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Hi ,

the only Testosterone stimulator that prevents T from going to

DHT is Saw Palmetto, as far as I know, hopefully according to what the body needs. If ovaries have not been active, they may start to become so/at least partially again over time, the rest of the work can get done by the adrenals.

Love,

Charlotte

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Re: Another try with the oral E tabs from Belmar

could someone please comment more about extra E converting into androgenic skin metabolite? I put my menopausal mom on 0.050 vivelle dot and some estrogel and she swears she's growing a beard?! i wouldn't believe it, but i never thought about androgenice metabolite in skin? where's it coming from?Laurel wrote:

Hi Everyone,I'm back in the northwest and finishing my house. I wish I had more time to be on the group, but if I did then 6 months from now I'd still be in a construction zone and the kids schooling wouldn't have progressed. (-: I've given the oral tabs from Belmar pharmacy another try and this time it seems to be working for a fairly smooth ride. Details below..For the newcomers; see at the end under my sign-off.Discussions with Nuimom and Madeleen got me thinking that I should give the oral tabs another try. I have been experiencing an unusual kind of acne since last summer and an odd peach fuzz on my face. I'm also noticing an usual amount of grey hairs (I barely had any before and it has happened very rapidly). My nails aren't as good. I suspect the E is interfering with my thyroid (SHBG?). I've been trying to get my OOE dose down and I can't managed below about 18 at the best. I'm concerned about contamination.I've been on the oral E tabs from Belmar for nearly two weeks. I have managed to get an even dosing of 3 x 2.5mg of the tabs and to stick with it. I figured out that it is important to avoid any transdermal E so I can keep things as even as possible with the oral tabs. I will slowly bring the dose lower.The tabs are a different E experience for me. The over the top vaginal wetness from the OOE has gone. I almost feel dry( well in comparison!! LOL), but my body is adjusting quickly. The acne on my face is gone. Nuimom suspected that the skin receptors were metabolizing the E into some kind of androgenic metabolite and I suspect there is something to that. It also appears that the peach fuzz on my face isn't as prolific as before (I have been cutting it). The chin whisker growth is also much less. My skin is looking much nicer with the tabs. Oh, and when I switched over to the tabs I got a bleed and the other night I felt my ovary wake up. Oddly, I find I can take my evening dose and then get close to noon the next day without the next dose. I feel the need because I get a very bright red face mask and my mind starts shutting down. The daytime dosing needs to be closer right now.My goal is to get the dose down and do a blood test in about 6 weeks to get a look at everything. This is feeling very good. It is remarkable how the tabs have held up. I drove to Alberta, loaded a 21 foot moving truck on my own, drove it back to Washington, and unloaded it myself. No I didn't pick a great time to convert my protocol. (-:Oh, I'm sleeping very well. This would be so great if it can continue to work. It is easy easy easy.Laurel____________________BTW, Welcome to the new members. Madeleen kindly took on the moderation duties for the list eons ago, but I still get the notices about new members joining the group. It seems women are still crashing on the WP and others who have gotten excited about the book and do research find the group before they too start slamming suprapharmalogical doses of transdermal hormones.I'm 45 and started the protocol in Sept. 04. The E on the protocol felt great and the P felt good for two days and after that it was hell every two weeks til I stopped buying Wiley's threat that I'd get cancer if I didn't use the WP P dosing routine. I made it thru detox with extra E (HRT cream E, OOE, gel, and Estraderm patches). I had severe surges of the P coming out of my tissues. It would literally break out if I massaged the area I applied the WP P. I eventually settled on a routine with OOE, but traded some problems for others. I don't want to do transdermal hormones around my children. They got contaminated by their father's use (despite of extreme precaution) of the WP for men (confirmed by a children's endocrinologist). I tried the oral tabs in March, but it didn't seem to work (and I got very sick with flu) so I went back to what I knew worked.

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Hi Laurel,

It is great to hear from you and that the oral E seems to be working. I also

have a lot of

blond peach fuzz on my face (was using vivelle and some transdermal E). I am no

longer

using P and the hair loss has stopped but still get acne (small lesions). I am

currently

weaning myself off the E and have been able to go about 10 days around my period

with

none. But I am doing larger amounts of Vit D and calcium/mag. In the last 2

months I have

had ovarian pain around my menstrual cycle like they are trying to wake up. I

just got my

period and it feels very much like the ones I used to get in my early 30's. My

daughter is

seeing a Dr in NYC that I will also see this week. She may be very specific for

out situation

but I think we have found the one. Both of us have Celiac and my daughter has

very low D

and osteomalacia. She is currently on very high D and once that is regulated the

ovaries

should kick in and do their thing. Without the proper amount of calcium the

ovaries will

shut down and without enough Vit D the calcium can't be absorbed.

At least for my daughter age 22 I think this makes the most sense to get her

body back to

normal. Still hopeful.

Karin

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I'm back in the northwest and finishing my house. I wish I had more

> time to be on the group, but if I did then 6 months from now I'd

> still be in a construction zone and the kids schooling wouldn't have

> progressed. (-: I've given the oral tabs from Belmar pharmacy

> another try and this time it seems to be working for a fairly smooth

> ride. Details below..

>

> For the newcomers; see at the end under my sign-off.

>

> Discussions with Nuimom and Madeleen got me thinking that I should

> give the oral tabs another try. I have been experiencing an unusual

> kind of acne since last summer and an odd peach fuzz on my face. I'm

> also noticing an usual amount of grey hairs (I barely had any before

> and it has happened very rapidly). My nails aren't as good. I

> suspect the E is interfering with my thyroid (SHBG?). I've been

> trying to get my OOE dose down and I can't managed below about 18 at

> the best. I'm concerned about contamination.

>

> I've been on the oral E tabs from Belmar for nearly two weeks. I

> have managed to get an even dosing of 3 x 2.5mg of the tabs and to

> stick with it. I figured out that it is important to avoid any

> transdermal E so I can keep things as even as possible with the oral

> tabs. I will slowly bring the dose lower.

>

> The tabs are a different E experience for me. The over the top

> vaginal wetness from the OOE has gone. I almost feel dry( well in

> comparison!! LOL), but my body is adjusting quickly. The acne on my

> face is gone. Nuimom suspected that the skin receptors were

> metabolizing the E into some kind of androgenic metabolite and I

> suspect there is something to that. It also appears that the peach

> fuzz on my face isn't as prolific as before (I have been cutting

> it). The chin whisker growth is also much less. My skin is looking

> much nicer with the tabs. Oh, and when I switched over to the tabs I

> got a bleed and the other night I felt my ovary wake up. Oddly, I

> find I can take my evening dose and then get close to noon the next

> day without the next dose. I feel the need because I get a very

> bright red face mask and my mind starts shutting down. The dayt

ime

> dosing needs to be closer right now.

>

> My goal is to get the dose down and do a blood test in about 6 weeks

> to get a look at everything. This is feeling very good. It is

> remarkable how the tabs have held up. I drove to Alberta, loaded a

> 21 foot moving truck on my own, drove it back to Washington, and

> unloaded it myself. No I didn't pick a great time to convert my

> protocol. (-:

>

> Oh, I'm sleeping very well. This would be so great if it can

> continue to work. It is easy easy easy.

>

> Laurel

>

> ____________________

>

> BTW, Welcome to the new members. Madeleen kindly took on the

> moderation duties for the list eons ago, but I still get the notices

> about new members joining the group. It seems women are still

> crashing on the WP and others who have gotten excited about the book

> and do research find the group before they too start slamming

> suprapharmalogical doses of transdermal hormones.

>

> I'm 45 and started the protocol in Sept. 04. The E on the protocol

> felt great and the P felt good for two days and after that it was

> hell every two weeks til I stopped buying Wiley's threat that I'd get

> cancer if I didn't use the WP P dosing routine. I made it thru detox

> with extra E (HRT cream E, OOE, gel, and Estraderm patches). I had

> severe surges of the P coming out of my tissues. It would literally

> break out if I massaged the area I applied the WP P. I eventually

> settled on a routine with OOE, but traded some problems for others.

> I don't want to do transdermal hormones around my children. They got

> contaminated by their father's use (despite of extreme precaution) of

> the WP for men (confirmed by a children's endocrinologist). I tried

> the oral tabs in March, but it didn't seem to work (and I got very

> sick with flu) so I went back to what I knew worked.

>

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well, my ovaries are alright..they've just been asleep for a while, and not they're starting to 'wake up'...which may take week, months or may be even years...from what i've heard about SP, it also binds some E? have you experienced this? Charlotte, what are your thoughts on SP's mechanism of action?"Charlotte N." wrote: Hi , the only Testosterone stimulator that prevents T from going to DHT is Saw Palmetto, as far as I

know, hopefully according to what the body needs. If ovaries have not been active, they may start to become so/at least partially again over time, the rest of the work can get done by the adrenals. Love, Charlotte ---------------- Re: Another try with the oral E tabs from Belmar could someone please comment more about extra E converting into androgenic skin metabolite? I put my menopausal mom on 0.050 vivelle dot and some estrogel and she swears she's growing a beard?! i wouldn't believe it, but i never thought about androgenice metabolite in skin? where's it coming from?Laurel wrote: Hi Everyone,I'm back in the northwest and finishing my house. I wish I had more time to be on the group, but if I did then 6 months from now I'd still be in a construction zone and the kids schooling wouldn't have progressed. (-: I've given the oral tabs from Belmar

pharmacy another try and this time it seems to be working for a fairly smooth ride. Details below..For the newcomers; see at the end under my sign-off.Discussions with Nuimom and Madeleen got me thinking that I should give the oral tabs another try. I have been experiencing an unusual kind of acne since last summer and an odd peach fuzz on my face. I'm also noticing an usual amount of grey hairs (I barely had any before and it has happened very rapidly). My nails aren't as good. I suspect the E is interfering with my thyroid (SHBG?). I've been trying to get my OOE dose down and I can't managed below about 18 at the best. I'm concerned about contamination.I've been on the oral E tabs from Belmar for nearly two weeks. I have managed to get an even dosing of 3 x 2.5mg of the tabs and to stick with it. I figured out that it is important to avoid any transdermal E so I can keep things as even as possible

with the oral tabs. I will slowly bring the dose lower.The tabs are a different E experience for me. The over the top vaginal wetness from the OOE has gone. I almost feel dry( well in comparison!! LOL), but my body is adjusting quickly. The acne on my face is gone. Nuimom suspected that the skin receptors were metabolizing the E into some kind of androgenic metabolite and I suspect there is something to that. It also appears that the peach fuzz on my face isn't as prolific as before (I have been cutting it). The chin whisker growth is also much less. My skin is looking much nicer with the tabs. Oh, and when I switched over to the tabs I got a bleed and the other night I felt my ovary wake up. Oddly, I find I can take my evening dose and then get close to noon the next day without the next dose. I feel the need because I get a very bright red face mask and my mind starts shutting down. The daytime dosing needs

to be closer right now.My goal is to get the dose down and do a blood test in about 6 weeks to get a look at everything. This is feeling very good. It is remarkable how the tabs have held up. I drove to Alberta, loaded a 21 foot moving truck on my own, drove it back to Washington, and unloaded it myself. No I didn't pick a great time to convert my protocol. (-:Oh, I'm sleeping very well. This would be so great if it can continue to work. It is easy easy easy.Laurel____________________BTW, Welcome to the new members. Madeleen kindly took on the moderation duties for the list eons ago, but I still get the notices about new members joining the group. It seems women are still crashing on the WP and others who have gotten excited about the book and do research find the group before they too start slamming suprapharmalogical doses of transdermal hormones.I'm 45 and started the

protocol in Sept. 04. The E on the protocol felt great and the P felt good for two days and after that it was hell every two weeks til I stopped buying Wiley's threat that I'd get cancer if I didn't use the WP P dosing routine. I made it thru detox with extra E (HRT cream E, OOE, gel, and Estraderm patches). I had severe surges of the P coming out of my tissues. It would literally break out if I massaged the area I applied the WP P. I eventually settled on a routine with OOE, but traded some problems for others. I don't want to do transdermal hormones around my children. They got contaminated by their father's use (despite of extreme precaution) of the WP for men (confirmed by a children's endocrinologist). I tried the oral tabs in March, but it didn't seem to work (and I got very sick with flu) so I went back to what I knew worked. #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 6/22/2006

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Hi Laurel -- have you ever used the sunlinguals? Why would go the

route of an oral E tab? I'm on them now and I noticed that my body

went through all kinds of strange things when I switch methods of

application.

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I'm back in the northwest and finishing my house. I wish I had

more

> time to be on the group, but if I did then 6 months from now I'd

> still be in a construction zone and the kids schooling wouldn't

have

> progressed. (-: I've given the oral tabs from Belmar pharmacy

> another try and this time it seems to be working for a fairly

smooth

> ride. Details below..

>

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top posting.. I thought of you nne which was a big motivation for me to post about my oral E tabs experience.   I know you are struggling with getting enough E with the OOE and you are concerned about your child.  Here's how it worked out.  I was using huge amounts of olive oil E as well as an estraderm patch when I was under stress.  I was using more than you nne so this seemingly successful switch to oral tabs has been an amazing big deal for me.   I started with the lowest dose I could.  2.5 mg of the Belmar tabs x 3 (TIB) based on symptoms.  The first day it was ok (I started spotting the next day which was needed!), but the next day I was struggling with low E symptoms so I mixed it with OOE (olive oil).  That made things worse in terms of dosing and I needed much more E that day.  I did that fussing with both transdermal and oral for two days and figured I needed to just completely let go of the transdermal.  I suspected it was creating fluctuations.  From then on I ONLY used the tabs and things settled down.  My stick goal for myself was to stay at no more than 7.5mg of the oral tabs/day.  I didn't need one when I woke up and I could get to about 10 or 11 AM before symptoms started appearing.  I found I needed to take a dose late morning and one around 3:45 and then one before bed.  My worst symptom was extreme hot flashing and an almost beet red face mask of flushing.  To answer your question.  I just went from sky high OOE to oral tabs at 7.5mg overnight.  I paid attention to my symptoms and how low I felt I could go.  I was nervous about sleeping at night so I supplemented with valerian when I had an inkling that it might be trouble. Laurel Bless You Laurel for this report. I am going to try the tabs next! How did you decide on the dose to start? I am using 23mg OOE now, 14mg OOT and 6.5mg P daily. I don’t have trouble with the T and P that I know about. The E is just out so fast and I feel I am using the absolutely smallest amount necessary. My blood level was 265 and for the first time elevated SHBG (I was using them sublingually at the time).In what increments will you bring the dose lower?Thank you so much,nne.