Thought provoking info on P!

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The reason many Docs say P is calming, anti inflammatory is because they read and believed Dr. Lee in his books. Talk to any person with bladder problems, vaginitis, mood disorders and pain problems and you will other wise. Also why arent these people reading the reasearch on this stuff?

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The Diane Schwarzbein book called, 'The Program,' is VERY HELPFUL in this respect. In chapter NINE, about hormones, it gives LISTS of symptoms for each hormone, for when it is low and for when it is high. I find it an invaluable reference and an easy one to use. The key is understanding which is which, because the symptoms for low P are almost identical to the ones for high E, and vice versa. She talks about this and how to know where to start in understanding your hormone tests. I realized from reading that section again the other day that the amount of P my doctor has me on is almost identical to the amount of P Schwarz. says to use, IF you have low P. But my E is the standard Wiley amount, and therefore MUCH higher than what Schwar. recommends. But Schar. is against ALL transdermal hormone creams, so there is yet another opinion for us! LOL

Whether you agree with her or not, those lists of hormone symptoms are helpful for all of us on this list!!! Check it out in the book stores, chapter nine. The book came out in 2004, so is fairly current. BTW, she says that excess (how much is that I wonder!) soy and/or alcohol can lead to early menopause, but she also says that if your P readings are normal (according to blood tests, and she tells you how and when to take those, and it is NOT the same way Wiley has us take them), and you have E dominance, then you need to cut out soy and alcohol and improve your nutrition instead of taking/using P in any form.

P can be calming if you need it and if you don't, it gets your E all out of balance, she explains, so you are anything but calm! Two out of balance hormones does NOT equal CALM, apparently!

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The reason many Docs say P is calming, anti inflammatory is because they read and believed Dr. Lee in his books. Talk to any person with bladder problems, vaginitis, mood disorders and pain problems and you will other wise. Also why arent these people reading the reasearch on this stuff?

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I wish SOMEone would come up with a definitive answer. My doctor

is telling me now that the creams get stuck in our fat base (which

we all on this list suspected anyway). Then it comes out in dribs

and drabs or ODs you!

>

> I can't answer that question, which is why I keep presenting both

sides of

> the story, just throwing out the info for debate, as usual...LOL

People I

> greatly respect are on both sides of the fence with the subject,

as I've

> already said in several posts of mine you probably have seen on

this list or

> others. For me, working with someone I trust is the key at this

point, as

> long as it is working and continues to work. And by working with

my doctor,

> as you know, it is all about very specific compounded versions,

for

> apparently she thinks many compounded and all OTC are not good. I

wouldn't

> attempt using any of them now, knowing what I do, without the

guidance of

> someone whom I consider an experienced and knowledgeable

specialist on the

> subject, regardless of which side of the issue they are on.

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

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Did you get rid of the headaches?

>

> I stopped, I stopped :):):)

>

> _____

>

> From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of

> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:54 PM

> To: rhythmicliving

> Subject: Re: Thought provoking info on P!

>

>

> It is amazing how many practitioners tell me that P is CALMING and

> ANTI-inflammatory when, on me, it is JUST THE OPPOSITE. I know my

> own body and I recorded every single symptom every time I used P

and

> like clockwork -- it was accurate!!! Now it is possible that doing

> the Wiley Protocol just may have caused all these weird responses

in

> us, but I'll be damned if I'm going to believe something that just

> ISN'T happening to my body just because someone says it's so!!

Quit

> the P Liz!!! My God I hope we aren't in more danger than we know.

>

>

>

>

>

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how are you doing Sam --

How can doctors claim all of this unless they have experienced it?

I want to be there for study that finally finds out that P is BAD

for us!

>

> The reason many Docs say P is calming, anti inflammatory is

because they read

> and believed Dr. Lee in his books. Talk to any person with

bladder problems,

> vaginitis, mood disorders and pain problems and you will other

wise. Also

> why arent these people reading the reasearch on this stuff?

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, they went away instantly, duh on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:44 AMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: Thought provoking info on P!

Did you get rid of the headaches? >> I stopped, I stopped :):):)> > _____ > > From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]> On Behalf Of > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:54 PM> To: rhythmicliving > Subject: Re: Thought provoking info on P!> > > It is amazing how many practitioners tell me that P is CALMING and > ANTI-inflammatory when, on me, it is JUST THE OPPOSITE. I know my > own body and I recorded every single symptom every time I used P and > like clockwork -- it was accurate!!! Now it is possible that doing > the Wiley Protocol just may have caused all these weird responses in > us, but I'll be damned if I'm going to believe something that just > ISN'T happening to my body just because someone says it's so!! Quit > the P Liz!!! My God I hope we aren't in more danger than we know.> > > > >

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I was just talking to someone and she says the if P is used that she recommends it in Vit E. Didn't go into a lot of detail as I am just not interested in this right now :)

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:41 AMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: Thought provoking info on P!

I wish SOMEone would come up with a definitive answer. My doctor is telling me now that the creams get stuck in our fat base (which we all on this list suspected anyway). Then it comes out in dribs and drabs or ODs you! >> I can't answer that question, which is why I keep presenting both sides of > the story, just throwing out the info for debate, as usual...LOL People I > greatly respect are on both sides of the fence with the subject, as I've > already said in several posts of mine you probably have seen on this list or > others. For me, working with someone I trust is the key at this point, as > long as it is working and continues to work. And by working with my doctor, > as you know, it is all about very specific compounded versions, for > apparently she thinks many compounded and all OTC are not good. I wouldn't > attempt using any of them now, knowing what I do, without the guidance of > someone whom I consider an experienced and knowledgeable specialist on the > subject, regardless of which side of the issue they are on.> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >

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All I know at this point is that what you say below is why Dr. Morton is

VERY particular about what kind of cream we use and where we apply it. They

experimented with a variety of locations on the body and have settled on the

left and right arm, one for P and one for E and we are NOT to switch arms

ever! The fatty part under the arm. Morton has worked with these things for

years and has a lot of understanding of the buildup in fat, how it happens,

etc. etc. Only because of that experience over a decade or more do I trust

her advice for me, so far.....I know even on the Wiley program as she does

it, the last two years, they have tried several approaches and decided what

is best, which is what they are having me do. I never was part of the

experimenting, since I didn't start until a few months ago. I am glad I came

onto the scene after they had worked out a lot of 'kinks' in the program.

And I am ever grateful that Dr. Morton had enough experience with these

things going into the Wiley program to be able to be flexible and know how

to change things when it was needed, rather than sticking rigidly to things

that don't work.

Re: Thought provoking info on P!

>I wish SOMEone would come up with a definitive answer. My doctor

> is telling me now that the creams get stuck in our fat base (which

> we all on this list suspected anyway). Then it comes out in dribs

> and drabs or ODs you!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

YEAH! TELL THAT ONE TO ALL THOSE PRO-P DOCTORS!

>

> Yes, they went away instantly, duh on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> _____

>

> From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:44 AM

> To: rhythmicliving

> Subject: Re: Thought provoking info on P!

>

>

> Did you get rid of the headaches?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Liz - I'm not sure I understand this statement. What do you mean?

>

> I was just talking to someone and she says the if P is used that she

> recommends it in Vit E.

[Guest guest]

I never really read any of Schwarzbein books but apparently, she is

what we on this group needed since she states that the creams get

stuck in the fat base. We are more into Uzzi Reiss and Dr. Vliet

here but this is very interesting to me. She was Suzanne Somers

doctor, so I think she likes to use pills and that's a no-no for us

with first liver bypass. Still, a lot of what Schwarzb. says makes

a lot of sense.

>

> The Diane Schwarzbein book called, 'The Program,' is VERY HELPFUL

in this respect. In chapter NINE, about hormones, it gives LISTS of

symptoms for each hormone, for when it is low and for when it is

high. I find it an invaluable reference and an easy one to use. The

key is understanding which is which, because the symptoms for low P

are almost identical to the ones for high E, and vice versa. She

talks about this and how to know where to start in understanding

your hormone tests. I realized from reading that section again the

other day that the amount of P my doctor has me on is almost

identical to the amount of P Schwarz. says to use, IF you have low

P. But my E is the standard Wiley amount, and therefore MUCH higher

than what Schwar. recommends. But Schar. is against ALL transdermal

hormone creams, so there is yet another opinion for us! LOL

> Whether you agree with her or not, those lists of hormone symptoms

are helpful for all of us on this list!!! Check it out in the book

stores, chapter nine. The book came out in 2004, so is fairly

current. BTW, she says that excess (how much is that I wonder!) soy

and/or alcohol can lead to early menopause, but she also says that

if your P readings are normal (according to blood tests, and she

tells you how and when to take those, and it is NOT the same way

Wiley has us take them), and you have E dominance, then you need to

cut out soy and alcohol and improve your nutrition instead of

taking/using P in any form.

> P can be calming if you need it and if you don't, it gets your E

all out of balance, she explains, so you are anything but calm! Two

out of balance hormones does NOT equal CALM, apparently!

>

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I think she meant using Vit E as the carrier and not any of the other bases/creams. If I learn more, I'll let you know

Liz

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:17 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: Thought provoking info on P!

Liz - I'm not sure I understand this statement. What do you mean? >> I was just talking to someone and she says the if P is used that she> recommends it in Vit E.

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My doc says use Wiley (and now we know she uses variations of Wiley) for the

hormone replacement and Schwarz. 'for everything else.' Morton has a good

reputation for helping women with thyroid issues, too, BTW.

Re: Thought provoking info on P!

>I never really read any of Schwarzbein books but apparently, she is

> what we on this group needed since she states that the creams get

> stuck in the fat base. We are more into Uzzi Reiss and Dr. Vliet

> here but this is very interesting to me. She was Suzanne Somers

> doctor, so I think she likes to use pills and that's a no-no for us

> with first liver bypass. Still, a lot of what Schwarzb. says makes

> a lot of sense.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh okay thanks, Liz.

>

> I think she meant using Vit E as the carrier and not any of the other

> bases/creams. If I learn more, I'll let you know

>

> Liz

>

> _____

>

> From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]

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>

>

> Can't do every other month with P. Are you kidding?

No , not kidding at all. Super paradoxical response.

>

> Who are these women who say

> they feel " great " on HRT?

>

I understand why so many women throw up their hands and say forget it.

The thing is, out goes the really good part too. I can say I feel

really great on BHRT, I'm one of 'em.... until I add the P and morph

into a Hollywood nightmare.

> Eileen

>

>

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

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Oh honey I believe you!! I'm ONE of those women who have super

paradoxical responses to P myself! I was out sick yesterday from

work. Know why? Because I used 200 mg P suppositories for 3 nights

in a row to stop this bleeding I'm having. Well after the 3rd one,

my whole body turned into ACHES. My neck went into spasms. This

happens to me EVERY time and then there are doctors out there

telling me to take 200 mgs of P a day!! I've had it!!

But what do I do about my flashes?? The minute I go down on my E, I

get flashes! And they are bad ones. So last night I used a P

sublingual (37.5 mg). What am I doing? Do I know? I have no idea.

I'm so frustrated I want to give up altogether. But what can we do?

To feel good we need the E.

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Can't do every other month with P. Are you kidding?

>

> No , not kidding at all. Super paradoxical response.

>

> >

> > Who are these women who say

> > they feel " great " on HRT?

>

> >

>

> I understand why so many women throw up their hands and say forget

it.

> The thing is, out goes the really good part too. I can say I feel

> really great on BHRT, I'm one of 'em.... until I add the P and

morph

> into a Hollywood nightmare.

>

> > Eileen

> >

> >

> >

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

>