Re: Sore Breasts and evening primrose oil (confusion)

[Guest guest]

Merry writes:

Are we sure that masking the pain is such a good idea? In other words, are we supposed to be plowing through the pain?

My thoughts also. Why use an anti-inflamatory like EPO when you don't know the CAUSE of the inflammation? If there is an biochemical imbalance in the breast/hormone metabolism which causes bromide buildup, wouldn't it better to address the imbalance?

Lynne

[Guest guest]

I'm a little confused as to what you ladies are doing with sore

breasts. If we are getting pain in our breasts, then does this mean

that we are using too much P and then we should be lowering our dose

of P instead of applying iodine or primrose oil to them to make the

pain go away?

Are we sure that masking the pain is such a good idea? In other

words, are we supposed to be plowing through the pain?

>

>

> > daily dose for several months. She says she has gone from barely

> keeping in

> > a D cup to fitting into a B cup. Now her breasts are soft. The

> change has

> > been so dramatic that she is having some trouble adjusting to

having

> loose

> > hanging breasts. The pain is gone.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Righto. I don't think we are supposed to walk around with hardened-

painless breasts!!

>

>

>

> My thoughts also. Why use an anti-inflamatory like EPO when you

don't know

> the CAUSE of the inflammation? If there is an biochemical

imbalance in the

> breast/hormone metabolism which causes bromide buildup, wouldn't

it better to

> address the imbalance?

>

> Lynne

>

[Guest guest]

I am afraid to take less than 50 mg vaginal P or 200 mg oral P for 10 days/month. I get the very sore breasts on about Day 5.

These induced bleeds are harder for me than regular periods were. I get back ache, painful joints, painful breasts and cramps now. Rarely had them when I was cycling normally.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of I'm a little confused as to what you ladies are doing with sore breasts. If we are getting pain in our breasts, then does this mean that we are using too much P and then we should be lowering our dose of P instead of applying iodine or primrose oil to them to make the pain go away? Are we sure that masking the pain is such a good idea? In other words, are we supposed to be plowing through the pain?

[Guest guest]

Val,

How much E do you take? Maybe if you cut back on the E you may be able to skip

the P

once in a while.

Karin

>

> I am afraid to take less than 50 mg vaginal P or 200 mg oral P for 10

> days/month. I get the very sore breasts on about Day 5.

>

> These induced bleeds are harder for me than regular periods were. I get

> back ache, painful joints, painful breasts and cramps now. Rarely had them

> when I was cycling normally.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

>

>

> I'm a little confused as to what you ladies are doing with sore

> breasts. If we are getting pain in our breasts, then does this mean

> that we are using too much P and then we should be lowering our dose

> of P instead of applying iodine or primrose oil to them to make the

> pain go away?

>

> Are we sure that masking the pain is such a good idea? In other

> words, are we supposed to be plowing through the pain?

>

[Guest guest]

I used to use 1.5 mg of Estrogel. That only gave me an E2 of 60. Now I use 2.25 mg. I haven't gotten tested on that. I'm amazed how much bleed I get on that dose. Maybe I'm still shedding the hyperplasia build up? I need an ultrasound. If it is okay, I'm going to move to every three months for P.

I had to up my thyroid (T4) when I upped my E. I went from 88 mcg to 100 mcg. At first I tried doubling my E to 3 mg. Got to where I couldn't drag my rear around. That's when it dawned on my that increased E requires increased thyroid. When I was on .625 mg Premarin, I was taking 125 mcg of T4.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of bigbird3099Val,How much E do you take? Maybe if you cut back on the E you may be able to skip the P once in a while.Karin>> I am afraid to take less than 50 mg vaginal P or 200 mg oral P for 10> days/month. I get the very sore breasts on about Day 5.> > These induced bleeds are harder for me than regular periods were. I get> back ache, painful joints, painful breasts and cramps now. Rarely had them> when I was cycling normally.

[Guest guest]

> Righto. I don't think we are supposed to walk around with hardened-

> painless breasts!!

>

>

---> It doesn't sound like Laurel's friend got hardened breasts. She

said they went down 2 bra sizes and got soft. I can live with that.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> I had to up my thyroid (T4) when I upped my E. I went from 88 mcg

> my rear around. That's when it dawned on my that increased E requires

> increased thyroid. When I was on .625 mg Premarin, I was taking 125

mcg of

> T4.

----> Okay well maybe I need to up my thyroid more. I'm on 1 grain a

day. If the thyroid is sucking up the iodine cause it's not doing

great maybe that's a key.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

The same happens to me when I take too much E I get sluggish. So I only take .75

vivelle

patch now and about 1-2 mg E transdermal. Have you ever tested for Celiac and

your Vit D

levels. Even when you are taking calcium if you don't have high enough D you

won't

absorb the calcium. Both are needed for proper endocrine funtion. I think Vit D

is a lot

more important than we realize and as we age we either don't make it as easilly

or we

don't spend enough time outdoors to make the amounts we need.

Karin

> >

> > I am afraid to take less than 50 mg vaginal P or 200 mg oral P for 10

> > days/month. I get the very sore breasts on about Day 5.

> >

> > These induced bleeds are harder for me than regular periods were. I get

> > back ache, painful joints, painful breasts and cramps now. Rarely had

> them

> > when I was cycling normally.

>

[Guest guest]

> patch now and about 1-2 mg E transdermal. Have you ever tested for

Celiac and your Vit D

> levels. Even when you are taking calcium if you don't have high

enough D you won't

> absorb the calcium.

----> no not tested yet for either but I'm gluten and grain free. Now

following paleo diet. I'm sure I'm dealing with gluten problem so no

need to spend money for that test. I'm also using around 1 tablespoon

of high vitamin cod liver oil a day (blue ice brand)...although I skip

some days. I've got the paperwork for a vit D test and just need to

have the blood drawn.

I'm going to order some vivell dots and give them a try.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

If your thyroid isn't working, increased E will make you sluggish. They doesn't mean you don't use E; it means you need more thyroid. I've had a Vit D test and it was fine. I asked for a Celiac test but doc forgot it. I really don't have any Celiac symptoms.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of bigbird3099The same happens to me when I take too much E I get sluggish. So I only take .75 vivelle patch now and about 1-2 mg E transdermal. Have you ever tested for Celiac and your Vit D levels. Even when you are taking calcium if you don't have high enough D you won't absorb the calcium. Both are needed for proper endocrine funtion. I think Vit D is a lot more important than we realize and as we age we either don't make it as easilly or we don't spend enough time outdoors to make the amounts we need.Karin>> I used to use 1.5 mg of Estrogel. That only gave me an E2 of 60. Now I use> 2.25 mg. I haven't gotten tested on that. I'm amazed how much bleed I get> on that dose. Maybe I'm still shedding the hyperplasia build up? I need an> ultrasound. If it is okay, I'm going to move to every three months for P.> > I had to up my thyroid (T4) when I upped my E. I went from 88 mcg to 100> mcg. At first I tried doubling my E to 3 mg. Got to where I couldn't drag> my rear around. That's when it dawned on my that increased E requires> increased thyroid. When I was on .625 mg Premarin, I was taking 125 mcg of> T4.>

[Guest guest]

Same here Val, the induced P cycles are super hard compared to even a

bad natural P cycle for me. I checked my symptom list during one oral

round and I had itchy body, night wakes, night sweats, edema to the

waist, major irritation issues (as in Don't say a word to me!), anger,

deep despair, dissociation, bad thoughts, hair loss, clumsiness....

general wickedness.

Have you ever tried sublingual P? This is my next step.

Eileen

On May 25, 2006, at 6:12 AM, rhythmicliving wrote:

>

> Message 12

> From: " Valarie " val@...

> Date: Wed May 24, 2006 2:19pm(PDT)

> Subject: Re: Sore Breasts and evening primrose oil (confusion)

>

> I am afraid to take less than 50 mg vaginal P or 200 mg oral P for 10

> days/month. I get the very sore breasts on about Day 5.

>

> These induced bleeds are harder for me than regular periods were. I

> get

> back ache, painful joints, painful breasts and cramps now. Rarely had

> them

> when I was cycling normally.

>

> Val

>

[Guest guest]

Same here Val, the induced P cycles are super hard compared to even a

bad natural P cycle for me. I checked my symptom list during one oral

round and I had itchy body, night wakes, night sweats, edema to the

waist, major irritation issues (as in Don't say a word to me!), anger,

deep despair, dissociation, bad thoughts, hair loss, clumsiness....

general wickedness.

Have you ever tried sublingual P? This is my next step.

Eileen

On May 25, 2006, at 6:12 AM, rhythmicliving wrote:

>

> Message 12

> From: " Valarie " val@...

> Date: Wed May 24, 2006 2:19pm(PDT)

> Subject: Re: Sore Breasts and evening primrose oil (confusion)

>

> I am afraid to take less than 50 mg vaginal P or 200 mg oral P for 10

> days/month. I get the very sore breasts on about Day 5.

>

> These induced bleeds are harder for me than regular periods were. I

> get

> back ache, painful joints, painful breasts and cramps now. Rarely had

> them

> when I was cycling normally.

>

> Val

>