Re: : You are not on the Wiley Protocol

June 8, 2006

First of all, let me correct my type from below. I meant to say

regulate bleeding, not 'regular' bleeding. One of my sources if Diane

Petoskey, an international nutrional consultant with a masters in

nutrition, but I have read that information in so many books,

magazines and health publications over the years, I honestly cannot

remember all my sources. I have been studying nutrition seriously

(just about every day I read something to teach me more) since 1970,

so it is hard to remember all the sources for something that is

common knowledge in the natural health world. The studies on vitamin

A began in the 1960s and there is a HUGE body of knowledge on it, and

recently the Wall Street Journal, which has wonderful health research

and articles that the lay person can easily undersand, had a

wonderful article explaining the importance of the natural mixed

tocopherols and the ineffectiveness of even natural kinds that do not

use the full spectrum of tocopherols, and it goes without saying that

synthetic vitamin E is virtually useless. I have taken the mixed

tocopheral version since I began using vitamin E supplements in 1970,

and have no doubt that is why I did NOT experience the abnormal

bleeding problems so many in my family have had who didn't take that

supplement. My one sister who also took that supplement also didn't

have problems, although she started when she was about 28 or 29,

while I began when I was about 19 or 20. She got me to start reading

Adelle , which literally changed my life, when I was in college.

Our older sister had turned her onto , but that older sister did

have bleeding problems and fibroids, for despite what the

books and other things she touted in those days advised, she never

took the supplements the way my other sister and I did. Our mother

also had the bleeding and fibroids. Vitamin E and I learned this week

by reading a book by Sally Fallon of the WEston Price Foundation,

that vitamin A also, will shrink fibroids completely. I knew for

years that vitamin E would do that, but until I read 'Eat Fat, Lose

Fat " this past weekend, by Dr. Eng and Fallon, I never had heard

about the vitamin A. But they said it took up to 90,000 iu of vitamin

A! And it takes huge amounts of vitamin E too, although with both

supplements, different women will need different amounts for the same

results. That is why working with someone like Diane Petoskey, who

knows how to help women calibrate the high doses to fit their needs

AND TO GET THE RESULTS safely, is a good idea for anyone wanting to

try these methods.

The " Eat Fat " book is a fabulous book, I learned so much! I assume

you have read it, Lynn? I found the paperback at the library, but the

hardback came out last year, as I am sure you know. I will be

discussing a lot from it on the LIve Right list in the near future,

for it taught me so much as well as confirmed much of what I already

knew.

> writes:

>

> Vitamin E (natural and mixed tocopherols, not synthetic) will stop

> and regular abnormal bleeding.

>

> , please don't make such sweeping medical claims on the

Internet.

> See the RL Guidelines about this. Please quote an authoritative

source or your

> own experience.

>

> Lynne

>

June 8, 2006

Uh oh. You have 2 opposing doctors? You are getting veins back?

That's from HRT. Well Ms. Wiley doesn't allow supplements either

(except for a very few that don't work across hormone receptors).

Maybe this is with respect to HER protocol, but I have a feeling

that hormones are supposed to do the whole job. I do know of

friends who are given lots of supplements along with hormone

replacement though.

>

> But , keep in mind that when I say vitamin E will stop

bleeding,

> that is common knowledge in natural health circles worldwide, I am

> talking about people using it who are NOT using birth control

pills

> or other forms of hormonal birth control, and/or are not using any

> form of E or P. I have no idea if vitamin E will help you as long

as

> you also are using any form of E, and then the whole issue of

needing

> to detox from P is also something that I for one know nothing

about.

> My supplement info is from and for people who avoid hormone

therapy

> of all kinds generally.

>

> I plan to talk to Dr. Morton about this more when I see her in

July,

> but I have a hunch this whole field of supplements in relation to

the

> natural hormones like I am using now is an open field and we all

are

> guinea pigs. I wonder what my large doses of vitamin E are doing

in

> relation to my E and P. I am getting my varicose veins back, I

> noticed recently, so need to up my E considerably, since in huge

> amounts it gets rid of them, and I proved that works for me once I

> learned about it from others who used it that way. But taking 2400

iu

> of E every day surely will have an effect on my P and E! But I

have

> no idea what effect, so need to talk to Dr. Morton before doubling

> what I presently take. I was taking 1200 iu a day long before I

> started the P and E, so just continued what I was doing. But I am

not

> going to raise the vitamin E until I get more info.

>

> The reason I do wish you, , would consult with Diane is

because

> she is one of the few people who is VERY VERY knowledgeable about

> literally curing so many hormone problems through natural

> supplements, but also will understand your hormone therapy

background

> too, and given your problems, that is SO important!

>

> If I don't get the answers from Dr. Morton I am seeking about

> supplements, I too will be consulting with Diane! I just have a

hunch

> she is going to be totally against the hormone program I am doing,

> and she may not even work with me as long as I insist on using it,

> but I don't know that yet, will find out at some point, I have no

> doubt.

>

June 8, 2006

I have taken huge amounts of supplements since about age 19 or 20,

but even my pediatrician when I was a child in the 1950s had my

mother, who breastfed me for a year, give us supplements as kids. And

I took them as a teen, so I really never have not taken at least a

daily multi. But my extensive, detailed programs began when I began

studying Adelle and others about 1970, when I was 19, and my

learning and research has continued ever since, as well as my ability

and work in helping others, although as more practitioners such as

Diane Petoskey have become available, it is easier to send people to

them, and more advisable for complex problems, obviously. Diane is

not a doctor, but I consider her info far more valid and helpful than

what most doctors would give me, since it confirms and resonates with

all of my own research over the last 35 years. Most doctors always

have told me things that either messed me up or didn't help, so I

learned at a very young age not to trust them. Morton being an

exception, whcih is why I go to her now.

My varicose veins started when I was in my late teens and I didn't

get rid of them until my late 40s, when I learned about the vitamin E

protocol to get rid of them. I now am 55. Since I dropped my vitamin

E to only about 400 iu a day last summer, they have been slowly

coming back, although I went back to 1200 iu by last fall. I think it

is my genetics as much as anything. But it will be interesting to see

what Morton says on the subject. But to get rid of them I took 2400

iu every day for about six months or more.

> >

> > But , keep in mind that when I say vitamin E will stop

> bleeding,

> > that is common knowledge in natural health circles worldwide, I

am

> > talking about people using it who are NOT using birth control

> pills

> > or other forms of hormonal birth control, and/or are not using

any

> > form of E or P. I have no idea if vitamin E will help you as long

> as

> > you also are using any form of E, and then the whole issue of

> needing

> > to detox from P is also something that I for one know nothing

> about.

> > My supplement info is from and for people who avoid hormone

> therapy

> > of all kinds generally.

> >

> > I plan to talk to Dr. Morton about this more when I see her in

> July,

> > but I have a hunch this whole field of supplements in relation to

> the

> > natural hormones like I am using now is an open field and we all

> are

> > guinea pigs. I wonder what my large doses of vitamin E are doing

> in

> > relation to my E and P. I am getting my varicose veins back, I

> > noticed recently, so need to up my E considerably, since in huge

> > amounts it gets rid of them, and I proved that works for me once

I

> > learned about it from others who used it that way. But taking

2400

> iu

> > of E every day surely will have an effect on my P and E! But I

> have

> > no idea what effect, so need to talk to Dr. Morton before

doubling

> > what I presently take. I was taking 1200 iu a day long before I

> > started the P and E, so just continued what I was doing. But I am

> not

> > going to raise the vitamin E until I get more info.

> >

> > The reason I do wish you, , would consult with Diane is

> because

> > she is one of the few people who is VERY VERY knowledgeable about

> > literally curing so many hormone problems through natural

> > supplements, but also will understand your hormone therapy

> background

> > too, and given your problems, that is SO important!

> >

> > If I don't get the answers from Dr. Morton I am seeking about

> > supplements, I too will be consulting with Diane! I just have a

> hunch

> > she is going to be totally against the hormone program I am

doing,

> > and she may not even work with me as long as I insist on using

it,

> > but I don't know that yet, will find out at some point, I have no

> > doubt.

> >

>

June 8, 2006