Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Does anyone on this list have information, online, or in your head or can direct me to books, that can explain more than Schwarz. does in her books why soy is NOT good for female hormone balance? She says excess alcohol and/or excessive use of soy can lead to early menopause! She says it messes up our estrogen receptors, that we want them working at optimal levels the older we get as our E levels go lower and lower, and that soy actually suppresses them! Recently, I learned that 60 mg. of soy protein a day is equal to 'one dose' of Tamoxifen, whatever one dose is. The information wasn't as detailed as I would have liked! Wiley's book or Schwarz., or both, talk about how damaging Tamoxifen is to our hormones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 i know, i know..soy and other phytoestrogens behave like estrogens but aren't..they bind to estrogen receptors, so that the real estrogen can't...hence creating the estrogen dificit in the body...Vliet talks about this also my endocrynology book states that there're 2 estrogen receptors alpha and beta..one has higher affinity for soy than then other...McIlhaney's wrote: Does anyone on this list have information, online, or in your head or can direct me to books, that can explain more than Schwarz. does in her books why soy is NOT good for female hormone balance? She says excess alcohol and/or excessive use of soy can lead to early menopause! She says it messes up our estrogen receptors, that we want them working at optimal levels the older we get as our E levels go lower and lower, and that soy actually suppresses them! Recently, I learned that 60 mg. of soy protein a day is equal to 'one dose' of Tamoxifen, whatever one dose is. The information wasn't as detailed as I would have liked! Wiley's book or Schwarz., or both, talk about how damaging Tamoxifen is to our hormones! #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Thanks! I googled Vliet, whom I never have heard of except I recall you all mentioning her on this list. I will buy her books! They look interesting. So she too says soy is not good for us? Re: The Soy Issue i know, i know..soy and other phytoestrogens behave like estrogens but aren't..they bind to estrogen receptors, so that the real estrogen can't...hence creating the estrogen dificit in the body...Vliet talks about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Thanks! I googled Vliet, whom I never have heard of except I recall you all mentioning her on this list. I will buy her books! They look interesting. So she too says soy is not good for us? Re: The Soy Issue i know, i know..soy and other phytoestrogens behave like estrogens but aren't..they bind to estrogen receptors, so that the real estrogen can't...hence creating the estrogen dificit in the body...Vliet talks about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 i am sure it's a matter of quantity..and a type of soy products like miso, tampeh, soy protein....but thats what she says about phytoestrogens..her books are not an easy reading but very interesting and informative ones...McIlhaney's wrote: Thanks! I googled Vliet, whom I never have heard of except I recall you all mentioning her on this list. I will buy her books! They look interesting. So she too says soy is not good for us? Re: The Soy Issue i know, i know..soy and other phytoestrogens behave like estrogens but aren't..they bind to estrogen receptors, so that the real estrogen can't...hence creating the estrogen dificit in the body...Vliet talks about this click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/**The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 McIlhaney's wrote: Thank you! I am 'in Shaklee circles,' an MLM company, hope that doesn't irritate you, for it bothers a lot of people who think all MLMs are bad, but anyway, I get a ton of good health info through them, as well as some good products. But that 'group' is very much against what I am doing with my hormone therapy now!!!! LOL Oh I am not a fan of MLM's although I do think some of them have good products. Mostly it is the pushy sales techniques and testimonials from reputable sources such as doctors that really put me off. I did become a distributor of Transfer Factor but only to be able to buy their products cheaper. Can't stand the promotional hype they send my way. My upline even put a call in with one of their doctor experts (unasked) and he rattled off his expertise to me and would not listen to my questions. Just tried to override me with his bruhahaha! Not impressed. I prefer to stay with supplement companies such as Standard Process and Biotics. I may pay more, but the quality of their products are superb. Question for you, how does Shaklee know that their soy is not goitrogenic? The porponents of soy have said that fermented soy is not goitrogenic, however it turns out to be too. All those cancer patients who take the fermented soy Haelen product have to be monitored for thyroid problems! Madeleen click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/**The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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