Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 McIlhaney's wrote: But the men, Scot-Irish-English, lose their jobs, wives, lives due to it! Some of them. I wonder if their problem is also hormone related somehow? Hopefully we will know someday. I have been reading Starr's book on Hypothyroidism and he talks about alcoholics often being hypothyroid. The alcohol makes them feel better! Madeleen Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 That is fascinating. I never heard that before, but don't study on that the way my sisters do who have thyroid issues, at least two of my three sisters do. ONe has read all these books for decades and has all these theories (she is 76 now and as my husband says, 'stays high and speedy on her Armour') about how that problem has been rampant in my dad's side of the family (the alcoholics are on my mom's!) and caused so many problems, it is her 'cure-all' and explanation for everything wrong with every ancestor and current family member! LOL Since I am a 'believer' in blood type theory, I know the stats that theory creator and his dad, both naturopaths, have collected worldwide the last 50-100 years show that blood type O has a high rate of thyroid problems, while the other blood types don't. I am a blood type A and no matter how many tests I have taken, a LOT, in my life, my thyroid always is perfect. But my two type O sisters have had all kinds of problems. I think my third type O sister has too, but dealt with it nutritionally, as one of the others eventually did too. You don't have to use meds, it can be 'cured' and balanced with nutrition, as long as you still HAVE a thyroid. My mother had thyroid cancer and had to have it 'killed,' with radiation, when she was about 70 and right after that, she went into Alzheimers. We always thought there was a connection, especially since she didn't remember nor our stepfather remembered to make sure she took her daily thyroid meds! But her mother and some others on that side of my family had Alz. too, so it probably wasn't just her thyroid, but that didn't help! I know alcohol masks a lot of mental illnesses, people self-medicate. After reading Schwarz., I realized I was doing that, trying to get my daily estrogen dose! LOL Re: Alcohol and hormones I have been reading Starr's book on Hypothyroidism and he talks about alcoholics often being hypothyroid. The alcohol makes them feel better! Madeleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Yes, I did know that. Also hypoglycemia, excess weight, sheer laziness, LOL -- everything gets and has been blamed on low thyroid. I started having mine tested regularly at 18, in hopes of finding something wrong with it to solve all my problems, but always to no avail! LOL But I know it is a serious problem for those who do have it! So if alcohol raises the estrogen, the results might be the same whether a person has low estrogen or low thyroid? Alcohol raises estrogen in men, that has been well documented for decades now, it seems most studies on alcoholism and drinking are done on men, or have been in most eras. Re: Alcohol and hormones hypothyroidism and low estrogen have a lot of the same symptoms... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 i thought alcohol raised SHBG in men...hence decreases free Testosterone..i thought that's how they explained that alcoholics often had less hairloss than non-alcoholics...because of increased SHBG?! Also because estrogen effects SHBG and SHBG effect TBG *thyroid binding globulin*, estrogen elvels definitely affect thyroid...Vliet talks about this too. -J.McIlhaney's wrote: Yes, I did know that. Also hypoglycemia, excess weight, sheer laziness, LOL -- everything gets and has been blamed on low thyroid. I started having mine tested regularly at 18, in hopes of finding something wrong with it to solve all my problems, but always to no avail! LOL But I know it is a serious problem for those who do have it! So if alcohol raises the estrogen, the results might be the same whether a person has low estrogen or low thyroid? Alcohol raises estrogen in men, that has been well documented for decades now, it seems most studies on alcoholism and drinking are done on men, or have been in most eras. Re: Alcohol and hormones hypothyroidism and low estrogen have a lot of the same symptoms... #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 i thought alcohol raised SHBG in men...hence decreases free Testosterone..i thought that's how they explained that alcoholics often had less hairloss than non-alcoholics...because of increased SHBG?! Also because estrogen effects SHBG and SHBG effect TBG *thyroid binding globulin*, estrogen elvels definitely affect thyroid...Vliet talks about this too. -J.McIlhaney's wrote: Yes, I did know that. Also hypoglycemia, excess weight, sheer laziness, LOL -- everything gets and has been blamed on low thyroid. I started having mine tested regularly at 18, in hopes of finding something wrong with it to solve all my problems, but always to no avail! LOL But I know it is a serious problem for those who do have it! So if alcohol raises the estrogen, the results might be the same whether a person has low estrogen or low thyroid? Alcohol raises estrogen in men, that has been well documented for decades now, it seems most studies on alcoholism and drinking are done on men, or have been in most eras. Re: Alcohol and hormones hypothyroidism and low estrogen have a lot of the same symptoms... #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 You are over my head here, I still am new with this hormone language....LOL I know I have read over the years in health media that alcohol raises estrogen, so does marijuana for that matter. But I don't know any details, nor how accurate that information was, although I have seen it in many sources for decades. Schwarzbein explains these things quite well in her Transition II and The Program books, they are for men AND for women. Re: Alcohol and hormones i thought alcohol raised SHBG in men...hence decreases free Testosterone..i thought that's how they explained that alcoholics often had less hairloss than non-alcoholics...because of increased SHBG?! Also because estrogen effects SHBG and SHBG effect TBG *thyroid binding globulin*, estrogen elvels definitely affect thyroid...Vliet talks about this too. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 right well..SHBG is a carrier protein, as well as albumin..those two carry the hormones around the body *like a taxi cab*..some hormones though stay bounded to it...but some get released...the realeased or free hormones are called 'free' vs 'bound'...anyways, when estrogen rises SHBG goes up, when testosterone rises SHBG goes down..the higher SHBG, the more of other hormones like testosteron, DHEA it can bind leaving only very little of those free...*that's why the prescribe bcps to treat hairloss or acne, because those have a very aggressive ethynil estradiol, which greatly raises SHBG*...so if alcohol raises estrogen levels, it automatically raises SHBG which leaves less androgens in one's body... i am re-reading Schwartzbein's Transition II book again :)McIlhaney's wrote: You are over my head here, I still am new with this hormone language....LOL I know I have read over the years in health media that alcohol raises estrogen, so does marijuana for that matter. But I don't know any details, nor how accurate that information was, although I have seen it in many sources for decades. Schwarzbein explains these things quite well in her Transition II and The Program books, they are for men AND for women. Re: Alcohol and hormones i thought alcohol raised SHBG in men...hence decreases free Testosterone..i thought that's how they explained that alcoholics often had less hairloss than non-alcoholics...because of increased SHBG?! Also because estrogen effects SHBG and SHBG effect TBG *thyroid binding globulin*, estrogen elvels definitely affect thyroid...Vliet talks about this too. - #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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