Re: Thought provoking info on P!

[Guest guest]

Speaking of Diane Petoskey, as of 2003, she was recommending specific brands of OTC progesterone creams, and said the compounded creams were too inconsistent and not to use them. I know someone working with her now, waiting for test results to start consultations and she will find out what her current take on this is. Doesn't mean I will agree, but having followed her ideas for 20 years, I always want to know what she thinks! What she is saying about the P creams is EXACTLY the opposite of what Dr. Leah Morton says, who told me to avoid all OTC P creams because of how they build up and bad delivery systems, etc.

Diane doesn't sell products, just advice, so that is why I respect her take on the Shaklee and Standard Process and other brands, because she isn't trying to sell any of them to us! Most of the doctors in the Shaklee network, for example, and SP too from what I understand, also sell the stuff, so I don't view their opinions in the same light as I do Diane's. And she has no problem telling us NOT to use certain Shakee products, which I find comforting, that kind of honesty. It makes me trust her more about what she says we should use. For years, she refused to recommend the Shaklee soy. Then it was reformulated and she started recommending it, don't know why she changed.

She has been a holistic expert on female hormones for decades now, and still is, which is why I always like to know her current thinking on the subject. The person who is going to her for menopause help will talk with her in a few weeks, and I'll report it here.

Re: Thought provoking info on P!

A promo from wddty.co.uk. Some thought-provoking assertions, to say theleast . . .I haven't checked this out further, but will.

Madeleen

[Guest guest]



I have had 3 different practioners. A ND, Accupunturist and medical dr all insist I need P to get rid of this anxiety i have been suffering for over a year now. I think it was caused from the WP but I can't prove it. So, I tried yet ONE more time to add some in. Not sure it did anything but I know I have had a bitch of a headache for 4 days now. I will quit the P and see if it goes away. I know most of you know this already but for those who don't, I got endometrial cancer (39 years old) while on Transdermal P. It was prescription. I continue to ask how this happened and the answer I keep getting is that I probably already had the cells and the P just kept it from showing up sooner. Who the heck knows.

Liz V.

A promo from wddty.co.uk. Some thought-provoking assertions, to say theleast . . .I haven't checked this out further, but will.

MadeleenFrom: e-news@...(WDDTY e-News) This is a copyright-free transmission, Please pass this on to anyoneyou feel would appreciate receiving it.Safe 'natural' progesterone is a myth, special report revealsA whole industry has been created around safer alternatives to HRT, thediscredited drug designed to increase women's progesterone levels aroundthe time of the menopause. One of the pioneers of 'natural' progesterone was the late Dr Lee,who advocated the use of a rub-on cream derived from yams. He arguedthat women become estrogen dominant – usually because of pollutantsfound in petrochemicals and car fumes – and, as a result, become lowin progesterone, the hormone that prepares the uterus for pregnancy. Women who are estrogen-high/progesterone-low are much more likely tosuffer from breast cancer, recurrent miscarriages and other healthproblems, he said.His argument was so convincing that it launched the multi-million-pound'natural' progesterone industry, which mushroomed at a time when badnews about HRT drugs was almost a daily occurrence. But new research from What Doctors Don't Tell You (WDDTY) reveals thathis argument is wrong – as is the argument that spawned the whole HRTindustry. In fact, progesterone levels are never high without highestrogen levels. This astonishing fact is explained in the latestissue of WDDTY, which contains a special report on 'natural'progesterone. As a new subscriber, you will receive the specialreport PLUS two important books – Guide to the Menopause and Women'sHealth – completely free of charge. 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Progesterone levels are highest during pregnancy – andwhile it's very rare for a woman to develop breast cancer at that time,the cancer spreads very, very quickly when it does happen. WDDTY researchers have uncovered new studies that found progesteronehelps breast cancer cells to spread rapidly and metastasize. Andthat's why estrogen levels act as a counter-balance to preventprogesterone from getting out of control. The last thing you should do, therefore, is add to the progesteroneload. The argument about 'natural' as opposed to 'synthetic' is a redherring. It's all dangerous – as the special new report from WDDTYexplains. It's a 'must read' for any women approaching the menopause,and it's ready to mail out now – together with the two free books,Guide to the Menopause and Women's Health, as a welcome pack. 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[Guest guest]

From everything I have read the WHI study did say that the women using Progestin

had

higher rates of breast cancer. Even though this is not what is called

bioidentical the

women that used just the non bio E had lower cancer rates. Also those women

using E

when being diagnosed w/breast cancer have the most curable form, unlike the

Progesterone receptor posivite breast cancer.

I have often thought that the progesterone we take is not quite what our own

body makes

(bioidentical) and the high amounts Dr's like to see on blood tests are not

quite accurate.

I feel that for me I will only take P in a small amount so I do not get a

uterine lining

buildup. Last month I took just one dose of the crinone gel and 2 days later

could barely

walk I had such severe hip pain (just like when I was pregnant). It seems when I

take it

vaginally all my bones hurt me. Weird. I really hate P.

Karin

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> > Safe 'natural' progesterone is a myth, special report reveals

> >

> >

>

> WOW..Madeleen this is the first to say what we've been suspecting for

> a long time....especially the reference to breast cancer! I would love

> to know more about where they found thier information.

> Thanks for posting this!!!!!

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

It is amazing how many practitioners tell me that P is CALMING and

ANTI-inflammatory when, on me, it is JUST THE OPPOSITE. I know my

own body and I recorded every single symptom every time I used P and

like clockwork -- it was accurate!!! Now it is possible that doing

the Wiley Protocol just may have caused all these weird responses in

us, but I'll be damned if I'm going to believe something that just

ISN'T happening to my body just because someone says it's so!! Quit

the P Liz!!! My God I hope we aren't in more danger than we know.

>

> I have had 3 different practioners. A ND, Accupunturist and

medical dr all insist I need P to get rid of this anxiety i have

been suffering for over a year now. I think it was caused from the

WP but I can't prove it. So, I tried yet ONE more time to add some

in. Not sure it did anything but I know I have had a bitch of a

headache for 4 days now. I will quit the P and see if it goes away.

I know most of you know this already but for those who don't, I got

endometrial cancer (39 years old) while on Transdermal P. It was

prescription. I continue to ask how this happened and the answer I

keep getting is that I probably already had the cells and the P just

kept it from showing up sooner. Who the heck knows.

>

> Liz V.

>

[Guest guest]

If I didn't have a uterus, I wouldn't touch the nasty stuff (P).

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Liz Vernand

I stopped, I stopped :):):)

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of

It is amazing how many practitioners tell me that P is CALMING and ANTI-inflammatory when, on me, it is JUST THE OPPOSITE. I know my own body and I recorded every single symptom every time I used P and like clockwork -- it was accurate!!! Now it is possible that doing the Wiley Protocol just may have caused all these weird responses in us, but I'll be damned if I'm going to believe something that just ISN'T happening to my body just because someone says it's so!! Quit the P Liz!!! My God I hope we aren't in more danger than we know.

[Guest guest]

,... Presently I am on the every other month P schedule for 10

days. Every month cycling is building in my system too much. Each

month it takes longer to recover from. I think the vaginal P is

sticking around longer than the oral was. Oral was more immediately

toxic and vaginal seems to hang on deeper. This cycle has taken me

over two weeks to get over the depression and lethargy... I'm still not

over it yet!

AG

On May 23, 2006, at 5:34 AM, rhythmicliving wrote:

>

> From: " " merryr@...

>

> You know I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the P DOES hang around

> a lot longer than we know. I tell my doctor, look - I can't take P

> for too many days of the month. It's really a no-brainer. I take E-

> - I feel terrific. I take P - I feel MISERABLE. I know we need the

> P to balance the E, but exactly HOW MUCH? Well that too depends on

> the woman. Some can take 100 - 200 mg a day and it will not bother

> them. But you are right - you have to keep watch on the uterus and

> what's going on there. I don't know if I would skip a whole month

> of P though. I still think the cycling of it is the best answer.

> Using it 10 to 14 days a month. 10 would be more like it!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,... Presently I am on the every other month P schedule for 10

days. Every month cycling is building in my system too much. Each

month it takes longer to recover from. I think the vaginal P is

sticking around longer than the oral was. Oral was more immediately

toxic and vaginal seems to hang on deeper. This cycle has taken me

over two weeks to get over the depression and lethargy... I'm still not

over it yet!

AG

On May 23, 2006, at 5:34 AM, rhythmicliving wrote:

>

> From: " " merryr@...

>

> You know I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the P DOES hang around

> a lot longer than we know. I tell my doctor, look - I can't take P

> for too many days of the month. It's really a no-brainer. I take E-

> - I feel terrific. I take P - I feel MISERABLE. I know we need the

> P to balance the E, but exactly HOW MUCH? Well that too depends on

> the woman. Some can take 100 - 200 mg a day and it will not bother

> them. But you are right - you have to keep watch on the uterus and

> what's going on there. I don't know if I would skip a whole month

> of P though. I still think the cycling of it is the best answer.

> Using it 10 to 14 days a month. 10 would be more like it!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Can't do every other month with P. Are you kidding? My doctors are

killing me NOW for not taking P every DAY. I don't know what to do

anymore. My body tells me one thing, my doctors tell me another.

But I don't want to end up with a hysterectomy. And these

sublinguals are no bargain either. I've gained more weight around

my middle. My stomach is OUT. I feel like just quitting and

putting up with the flashes and no sleep. But that's no way to live

either. And I still bleed anyway! Who are these women who say

they feel " great " on HRT?

>

> >

> > From: " " merryr@...

> >