Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 > Not to be a wet blanket, but I find the totally holistic drs. the worst for > wanting to prescribe P. > > OMG I totally agree...they are complete believers in estrogen dominance. Mercola is one of the few who at least raised the question of progesterone creams accumulating in fat. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Then I need to find a Pro-E doctor that isn't going to scare me to death about E-only with very little P. Will someone tell me what is happening to the women presently on the Wiley Protocol? Either they are androids or dead. Why are we not hearing more complaints? Is it possible there are women who can take 6200 mgs of P within a 2 week period over and over again? > > , > > Not to be a wet blanket, but I find the totally holistic drs. the worst for > wanting to prescribe P. > > Liz V. > > _____ > > > Wow. This is amazing Laurel. Never dawned on me this could be the > reason for my teeth moving. Damn - what else???????????? And then > you'll get the usual smirk from the conventional doctor about " well > what do you expect? You are getting older and things happen " story > when you try to tell them about hormone imbalance and what it does > to you. I'm getting mad all over again. Now I've got to find a > totally holistic doctor. They can't have their foot in one door of > conventional medicine and the other in alternative. They keep > falling back on the conventional bull. The Lipitor atrocity should > alert everyone to the danger of doctors who won't learn. > > > > > New Message Search > > Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved > message search. > > Share > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJuNmp2ZWZsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzI EZ3JwSW > QDMTM4NDMyNDcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAwMDYyMjE1BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZmRiY2sEc3R pbWUDMT > E1MzkyNDU3Mw--;_ylg=1/SIG=11im36rmb/**http% 3a//surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p141 > 2899.aspx> feedback on the new changes to Groups > > Recent Activity > > * > > 4 > New > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhythmicliving/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnMm c4ZWMzB > F9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzODQzMjQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MjIxNQRzZWMDdn RsBHNsa > wN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTUzOTI0NTcz> Members > * > > 2 > New > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhythmicliving/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJocXFi OWVtBF9 > TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzODQzMjQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MjIxNQRzZWMDdnRs BHNsawN > 2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTE1MzkyNDU3Mw--> Files > > Visit > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhythmicliving;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdjQzOHVxBF 9TAzk3M > zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzODQzMjQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MjIxNQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsaw N2Z2hwB > HN0aW1lAzExNTM5MjQ1NzM-> Your Group > . > > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv? s=97359714 & grpId=13843247 & grpspId=1600062215 & msgI > d=11050 & stime=1153924573> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 , Yes, find the Pro E, that is the key. I know 4 women on the protocol. I believe they are all on the original protocol. Interesting, though, one lady who's been on the original has been on it for over a year. Doing just fine. She was having problems getting her scripts from the original Med shoppe, so switched to the other one that is now WP approved. She came to me complaining her boobs were so sore. She had not had that at all when using the other hormones. I told her that was part of the complaints from a lot of ladies following Susie around. That the bases changed and then messed things up. I think she is going back to the original pharmacy and hopes that they will get better in sending her scripts to her. Liz Then I need to find a Pro-E doctor that isn't going to scare me to death about E-only with very little P. Will someone tell me what is happening to the women presently on the Wiley Protocol? Either they are androids or dead. Why are we not hearing more complaints? Is it possible there are women who can take 6200 mgs of P within a 2 week period over and over again? .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 There are prevailing myths ... E is a carcinogen, cholesterol is bad and the cure is a statin drug, you shouldn't get sun on your skin, but the research supporting a different point of view if isn't in the doctors faces everyday. When a doctor's approach doesn't work for you then move on. Take the good and leave the rest. The good docs deserve it. Trashing them makes us helpless victims. We do have options. We really do. Yes, find a doc that isn't afraid of E. There is silence from the world of Wiley. New marks get pulled in, but it doesn't work for long. Women can't do that much P for long. Those that do - pay a bill. LaurelThen I need to find a Pro-E doctor that isn't going to scare me to death about E-only with very little P. Will someone tell me what is happening to the women presently on the Wiley Protocol? Either they are androids or dead. Why are we not hearing more complaints? Is it possible there are women who can take 6200 mgs of P within a 2 week period over and over again? >> ,> > Not to be a wet blanket, but I find the totally holistic drs. the worst for> wanting to prescribe P. > > Liz V.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Sore breasts can start when there is too much P. Maybe she is getting the symptoms now? The constant application is building up and up and up. It isn't just falling off her skin each day. I think women who go a long time are just not noticing what's happening. The various problems get attributed to other things. The women who owned the other website was so deep into depression it was really hard to get in touch with her, but she attributed it to a history of depression. It couldn't be the protocol because, it almost seemed - it had been delivered to women on tablets by the female Moses herself. Laurel, Yes, find the Pro E, that is the key. I know 4 women on the protocol. I believe they are all on the original protocol. Interesting, though, one lady who's been on the original has been on it for over a year. Doing just fine. She was having problems getting her scripts from the original Med shoppe, so switched to the other one that is now WP approved. She came to me complaining her boobs were so sore. She had not had that at all when using the other hormones. I told her that was part of the complaints from a lot of ladies following Susie around. That the bases changed and then messed things up. I think she is going back to the original pharmacy and hopes that they will get better in sending her scripts to her. Liz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 The sore breasts did not show up until the switch in pharmacies so she's contributing it to that. Maybe the WP pharmacy has stronger formulas now? So she's getting more P? Who knows. I am letting them figure it out for themselves. It's all I can do to care for myself now. They know my story and why I think I got so bad. For me, I know my extreme anxiety was caused by the WP. Not sure what the imbalance was but I'm convinced. So now my body is hooked on a benzo and trying to work my way off and hope the anxiety doesn't come back. But I know before I had my hyst 7 years ago, I got severely depressed from compounded P. Didn't make the connection as I was told P was a natural anti depressant, so the more depressed I got the more they gave me. Ended up in bed for 2 months with depression, anxiety and then endometrial cancer and on pysch drugs. Rah, rah, rah, go P. (My ass!!!!) Liz Sore breasts can start when there is too much P. Maybe she is getting the symptoms now? The constant application is building up and up and up. It isn't just falling off her skin each day. I think women who go a long time are just not noticing what's happening. The various problems get attributed to other things. The women who owned the other website was so deep into depression it was really hard to get in touch with her, but she attributed it to a history of depression. It couldn't be the protocol because, it almost seemed - it had been delivered to women on tablets by the female Moses herself. Laurel .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Well if they are doing fine, what the hell happened to US? > > , > > Yes, find the Pro E, that is the key. > > I know 4 women on the protocol. I believe they are all on the original > protocol. Interesting, though, one lady who's been on the original has been > on it for over a year. Doing just fine. She was having problems getting her > scripts from the original Med shoppe, so switched to the other one that is > now WP approved. She came to me complaining her boobs were so sore. She had > not had that at all when using the other hormones. I told her that was part > of the complaints from a lot of ladies following Susie around. That the > bases changed and then messed things up. I think she is going back to the > original pharmacy and hopes that they will get better in sending her scripts > to her. > > Liz > > _____ > > > Then I need to find a Pro-E doctor that isn't going to scare me to > death about E-only with very little P. Will someone tell me what is > happening to the women presently on the Wiley Protocol? Either they > are androids or dead. Why are we not hearing more complaints? Is it > possible there are women who can take 6200 mgs of P within a 2 week > period over and over again? > > > > > New Message Search > > Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved > message search. > > Share > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJubXZhZ2E5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzI EZ3JwSW > QDMTM4NDMyNDcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAwMDYyMjE1BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZmRiY2sEc3R pbWUDMT > E1Mzk0MTAxMg--;_ylg=1/SIG=11im36rmb/**http% 3a//surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p141 > 2899.aspx> feedback on the new changes to Groups > > Recent Activity > > * > > 4 > New > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhythmicliving/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJncj E0YmNjB > F9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzODQzMjQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MjIxNQRzZWMDdn RsBHNsa > wN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTUzOTQxMDEy> Members > * > > 2 > New > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhythmicliving/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJoOGdv aHZsBF9 > TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzODQzMjQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MjIxNQRzZWMDdnRs BHNsawN > 2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTE1Mzk0MTAxMg--> Files > > Visit > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhythmicliving;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOHVuODlqBF 9TAzk3M > zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzODQzMjQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MjIxNQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsaw N2Z2hwB > HN0aW1lAzExNTM5NDEwMTI-> Your Group > . > > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv? s=97359714 & grpId=13843247 & grpspId=1600062215 & msgI > d=11056 & stime=1153941012> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 ha ha "Rah, rah, rah, go P. (My ass!!!!)"No kidding!It is amazing what you went thru with all that P and no E. Your uterus got harmed really fast, didn't it? You didn't have any estrogen to help at all. So much for protecting the uterus. What about the belief that the P will go down the right pathways and make whatever you needed.. ? Ha! on that one too. I remember changing pharmacies and finding the P was even stronger. From someone else to MedShoppe. That P was kicking Wiley's ass too. btw, Have you noticed she looks fatter in those pics on the wileyprotocol site. Good that you don't fuss about the ones doing WP thinking it is fine fine fine... you said your bit. Still, I don't buy that things aren't getting goofed up. With anyone -- when I probed - I found problems. LaurelThe sore breasts did not show up until the switch in pharmacies so she's contributing it to that. Maybe the WP pharmacy has stronger formulas now? So she's getting more P? Who knows. I am letting them figure it out for themselves. It's all I can do to care for myself now. They know my story and why I think I got so bad. For me, I know my extreme anxiety was caused by the WP. Not sure what the imbalance was but I'm convinced. So now my body is hooked on a benzo and trying to work my way off and hope the anxiety doesn't come back. But I know before I had my hyst 7 years ago, I got severely depressed from compounded P. Didn't make the connection as I was told P was a natural anti depressant, so the more depressed I got the more they gave me. Ended up in bed for 2 months with depression, anxiety and then endometrial cancer and on pysch drugs. LizSore breasts can start when there is too much P. Maybe she is getting the symptoms now? The constant application is building up and up and up. It isn't just falling off her skin each day.I think women who go a long time are just not noticing what's happening. The various problems get attributed to other things. The women who owned the other website was so deep into depression it was really hard to get in touch with her, but she attributed it to a history of depression. It couldn't be the protocol because, it almost seemed - it had been delivered to women on tablets by the female Moses herself.Laurel . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 I don't know. And one lady is just smearing it on her thighs, same place month after month. It could also be they are so unconscious but I am around them and they really seem fine. 3 of them have all there parts. One had not had a period for 1 year and she started out and did fine, one is my age, 46 and never really had problems to begin with, the other hadn't had a period for like 3 years. I think she might be having a little trouble but she might not be relating it. The other one is a 78 year old lady who had a hyst. She seems to do fine, also. But 3 of them are related so maybe it's their genetics ? I know I look at them and so wish it were that easy for me. Liz Well if they are doing fine, what the hell happened to US? .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 I know. Lots of women on 's hormone group are using tons of P and doing fine too. I wish the doctors would get a leg up on this already. After all, this is to prevent breast cancer!!! > > I don't know. And one lady is just smearing it on her thighs, same place > month after month. It could also be they are so unconscious but I am around > them and they really seem fine. 3 of them have all there parts. One had not > had a period for 1 year and she started out and did fine, one is my age, 46 > and never really had problems to begin with, the other hadn't had a period > for like 3 years. I think she might be having a little trouble but she might > not be relating it. The other one is a 78 year old lady who had a hyst. She > seems to do fine, also. But 3 of them are related so maybe it's their > genetics ? I know I look at them and so wish it were that easy for me. > > Liz > > _____ > > > Well if they are doing fine, what the hell happened to US? > > > > > New Message Search > > Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved > message search. > > Share > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJuZnZjNDVjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzI EZ3JwSW > QDMTM4NDMyNDcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAwMDYyMjE1BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZmRiY2sEc3R pbWUDMT > E1Mzk0NDY5NA--;_ylg=1/SIG=11im36rmb/**http% 3a//surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p141 > 2899.aspx> feedback on the new changes to Groups > > Recent Activity > > * > > 4 > New > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhythmicliving/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnZj FtbnRzB > F9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzODQzMjQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MjIxNQRzZWMDdn RsBHNsa > wN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTUzOTQ0Njk0> Members > * > > 2 > New > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhythmicliving/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJoYnBj ZXJvBF9 > TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzODQzMjQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MjIxNQRzZWMDdnRs BHNsawN > 2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTE1Mzk0NDY5NA--> Files > > Visit > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhythmicliving;_ylc=X3oDMTJmaXVrbTdqBF 9TAzk3M > zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzODQzMjQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MjIxNQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsaw N2Z2hwB > HN0aW1lAzExNTM5NDQ2OTQ-> Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 It could be that the make up of individual body types require different levels of hormones and respond differently due to different body chemistry etc? Maybe once science can figure out how to read a woman's individual markers or some such thing they will in the future be better able to understand what balance of certain things are best for each particular body (?). Just a thought and speculation, nothing scientific but in my experience it would not surprise me. lol. Luv LuLu Re: P and holistic drs. I know. Lots of women on 's hormone group are using tons of P and doing fine too. I wish the doctors would get a leg up on this already. After all, this is to prevent breast cancer!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Exactly! It's no secret that we all respond differently to the hormones. Once again, like the diabetics -- some need more insulin than others. But we need our doctors to get on board with this and stop GUESSING at how much to give us!!! > > It could be that the make up of individual body types require different > levels of hormones and respond differently due to different body chemistry > etc? Maybe once science can figure out how to read a woman's individual > markers or some such thing they will in the future be better able to > understand what balance of certain things are best for each particular body > (?). Just a thought and speculation, nothing scientific but in my > experience it would not surprise me. lol. > Luv > LuLu > Re: P and holistic drs. > > > I know. Lots of women on 's hormone group are using tons of P > and doing fine too. I wish the doctors would get a leg up on this > already. After all, this is to prevent breast cancer!!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Exactly! It's no secret that we all respond differently to the hormones. Once again, like the diabetics -- some need more insulin than others. But we need our doctors to get on board with this and stop GUESSING at how much to give us!!! > > It could be that the make up of individual body types require different > levels of hormones and respond differently due to different body chemistry > etc? Maybe once science can figure out how to read a woman's individual > markers or some such thing they will in the future be better able to > understand what balance of certain things are best for each particular body > (?). Just a thought and speculation, nothing scientific but in my > experience it would not surprise me. lol. > Luv > LuLu > Re: P and holistic drs. > > > I know. Lots of women on 's hormone group are using tons of P > and doing fine too. I wish the doctors would get a leg up on this > already. After all, this is to prevent breast cancer!!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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