Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Hey Jen - I was going to try Katterman's cream but this sounds better. I didn't even think to ask though if there are any preservatives in there we have to worry about! Or something that will make us itch. $104 for a tube?? Typo? ----------------------------------------------- > I just received my Estrogel yesterday. I got it from > www.mastersmarketing.com > for $7. a tube. 12 tubes is the max, and shipping is $15. So a tube ends up > costing $14.50. Better than Costco.. I called and they charge $104. for a > tube. The writing on the tube is in French and the laboratory say Paris , > France. I'll try it today and see how it is. I am one of those people that > just couldn't do OO E. > > > > > Re: Estrotgel - alcohol base? > > > > > >> Yes now I, too am thinking of getting the estrogel. TOo bad we can > >> order a bulk order! > >> > > > > ----> I've been thinking about that as we settle on supplements in > > order to get wholesale prices. I don't think we're there yet but > > eventually I forsee that we will be clear on what useful and what's > > not and the brands. > > > > On this though .....since it a prescription here you would only be > > able to import so much at a time legally. This is to prevent resale so > > I doubt we could ever bulk order together (maybe 2-3 people could > > combine). Email them and ask what the maxiumum amount is that can be > > legally sent into the US. When I ordered last summmer I found them > > fast and very easy to work with. > > > > Larrian Gillispie (the hormone diva ) that Sammie (rg Sammie?) > > mentions this as the place she recommends to get estrogel. Her site is > > how I found out about it. So they used to sending lots here. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as > > medical advice.** > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Oh Val - I'm all ABOUT convenience. I don't want to have to think or waste time! So maybe I'll get some of the pump and some of the tube! That's what makes it such a great country! Anyway, I see it says 64 doses for $25. THat's a month's supply. Well I'm ordering! > It is more convenient. Two pumps (assuming the pumping mechanism is working > correctly) = 1.5 mg estradiol. No measuring or guessing. I used it once > and decided it was not worth the money. > > Val > -----Original Message----- > From: rhythmicliving > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > Wonder why? > > > > Pump Pack is the same as tube, only 3.5 times more expensive. > > Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 The pump at 64 doses would be 1 pump (.75 mg) of estradiol a day. I use 1.5 mg. so the pump would last me for 32 days. Val -----Original Message----- From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Oh Val - I'm all ABOUT convenience. I don't want to have to think or waste time! So maybe I'll get some of the pump and some of the tube! That's what makes it such a great country! Anyway, I see it says 64 doses for $25. THat's a month's supply. Well I'm ordering! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Hi , No, $104. was not a typo... hard to believe, unless Costco quoted me wrong. THe ingredients of Oestrogel are estradiol, carbomer, trolamine, ethanol, purified water. I haven't look up trolamine yet. Not sure what it is. Re: Estrotgel - alcohol base? >> >> >> > >> >> Yes now I, too am thinking of getting the estrogel. TOo bad we > can >> >> order a bulk order! >> >> >> > >> > ----> I've been thinking about that as we settle on supplements > in >> > order to get wholesale prices. I don't think we're there yet but >> > eventually I forsee that we will be clear on what useful and > what's >> > not and the brands. >> > >> > On this though .....since it a prescription here you would only > be >> > able to import so much at a time legally. This is to prevent > resale so >> > I doubt we could ever bulk order together (maybe 2-3 people could >> > combine). Email them and ask what the maxiumum amount is that > can be >> > legally sent into the US. When I ordered last summmer I found > them >> > fast and very easy to work with. >> > >> > Larrian Gillispie (the hormone diva ) that Sammie (rg Sammie?) >> > mentions this as the place she recommends to get estrogel. Her > site is >> > how I found out about it. So they used to sending lots here. >> > >> > Lynn >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ >> > >> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not > intended as >> > medical advice.** >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 It says right on the package that you can take double the dose. I'm telling you, this is amazing. But I need the P in another form. > > Here's some information on Estrogel: > > > > ESTROGEL® (estradiol gel) contains 0.06% estradiol in an absorptive > > hydroalcoholic gelbase formulated to provide a controlled release > of the > > active ingredient. The gel is applied over a large area (750 cm 2) > of the > > skin in a thin layer. The recommended area of application is the > arm, from > > wrist to shoulder. An ESTROGEL unit dose of 1.25 g contains 0.75 > mg of > > estradiol. > > > > So on a gram scale, you could weigh 2.5 g and from that, figure > the volume. > > > > There is a $50 coupon available at http://www.estrogel.com > > > > Val > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 - you were taking 2-3mg (BID?????) No wonder you were bleeding to death! That estrogel is a miracle. Now I know why Val says they will have to pry it from her hands if they discontinue it! When you can, go back on it at 1.5 a day. But use in 2 doses during the day so you don't bleed. I'm finding it's doing the trick for me at this dose. --------------------------------------------------- > > I am liking the Estrogel too ! But not sure that 1.5mg/day is > enough for me. I have a constant low back ache! > > Madeleen > > > > I adore the estrogel....stopped using it temporarily though until I dry > myself up....too much of it cause me to breakthrough bleed and have > ever longer, heavier, clottier periods...I attributed the low back pain > and feeling of heavinesss in me to the endometrium getting more and > more " alive " from the high E. (I had ben using estrogel 2-3mg BID) - > even using lots of P didn't stop the bleeding very well any more.Right > now, I am taking bi-est capsules 1.25 BID...the three times in the last > 6 weeksI have had a hot flash, I have put a dab of Oestrogel on my > carotid arteries and over my brow, as Uzzi suggests applying E. It got > rid of those suckers within a few minutes and they never got to be full > blown hot flash epidsodes...I feel I MUST do this right now, because i > was developing an unhealthy condition in my uterus, possibly making my > fiborids return and really need to calm things down. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 > It says right on the package that you can take double the dose. > I'm telling you, this is amazing. But I need the P in another > form. > > > I have been using the estrogel since Sept. and LOVE it. After about 6- 8 months on it though, I began to develop problems with the bleeding, etc - even with proper amounts of P, and had to lower the dose. Let's face it, E creates the endometrial lining. I don't think every woman will have this reaction, but those of us who have had polyps, fibroids, enndmetriosis, etc and it dried up or fibroids shrunk after menopause are bound to have it all recur at some point with high E back in our systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 > - you were taking 2-3mg (BID?????) No wonder you were > bleeding to death! That estrogel is a miracle. Now I know why Val > says they will have to pry it from her hands if they discontinue it! > > When you can, go back on it at 1.5 a day. But use in 2 doses during > the day so you don't bleed. I'm finding it's doing the trick for me > at this dose. > > > that's what i intend to do...after I get myself back into menopause....I did go down to .75 twice a day with the estrogel and I still had the bleeding so we figure I need to get myself back into menopause first...the doctor says then we can play with the dose so that I can have the better energy and mental clarity that E confers. I like the Oestrogel better than the estradiol cream from WIP and so that is what I will use. and getting a script for it will still cost more than getting it abroad even with my insurance copay. I usually get 6-12 at a time because of the S & H charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 You're welcome . I do very well on it. I tried progesterone suppositories every three months but developed some hyperplasia. I now use Prometrium for 10 days/month. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Thanks Val. This stuff is wonderful. I feel so alive again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 > - you were taking 2-3mg (BID?????) No wonder you were > bleeding to death! That estrogel is a miracle. Now I know why Val > says they will have to pry it from her hands if they discontinue it! > Val has extreme self control, I think...I'll bet she can sit with a box of chocolates and eat only one I think she uses a teeny amount of Oestrogel and only like, once a day!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 My sense, , is that you were using too much Estrogel. And maybe too much P. When I was on tri-est sublinguals and 200 mg oral compounded P, I bled constantly. Testing showed no estradiol and P = 26 (huge). I've been on Estrogel now for a little over two years. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of astrodianaI have been using the estrogel since Sept. and LOVE it. After about 6-8 months on it though, I began to develop problems with the bleeding, etc - even with proper amounts of P, and had to lower the dose. Let's face it, E creates the endometrial lining. I don't think every woman will have this reaction, but those of us who have had polyps, fibroids, enndmetriosis, etc and it dried up or fibroids shrunk after menopause are bound to have it all recur at some point with high E back in our systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 No self-control here. The only thing over which I exercise control is my Estrogel. I will throw my body over my stash to keep someone from taking it. And I will die when I die, with my Estrogel tube grasped firmly in my hand. Having been off hormones for a while, I've decided I want a good quality of life and estrogen gives me that. I keep wondering why young girls, with their loads of estrogen, are not dropping like flies with cancer; and why young men, with their loads of testosterone, are not dropping like flies with prostate cancer. 1.5 mg Estrogel, once a day, keeps the hot flashes at bay. That is an adequate dose for bone preservation. Val -----Original Message----- From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of astrodiana Val has extreme self control, I think...I'll bet she can sit with a box of chocolates and eat only one I think she uses a teeny amount of Oestrogel and only like, once a day!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 astrodiana wrote: I attributed the low back pain and feeling of heavinesss in me to the endometrium getting more and more "alive" from the high E. (I had ben using estrogel 2-3mg BID) - I feel I MUST do this right now, because i was developing an unhealthy condition in my uterus, possibly making my fiborids return and really need to calm things down. , did you have a transvaginal ultrasound to verify your hunch? Not that I don't think you are right...just curious. I thought my uterus was very "alive" also, because I kept having to up my P to not have breakthrough bleeding. I finally allowed the period to come (at day 27)and the period is not bad at all, no excessive bleeding. The lower back ache goes away with either quite high P (can't do that now that I have done P for 14 days) or a little extra E - so go figure. And also to throw this into the info soup: low P (25-50mgP/day) made me angry and irritable, but high P (100mg BID)was better, although still impatient! Madeleen Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 > , did you have a transvaginal ultrasound to verify your hunch? Not that I don't think you are right...just curious. > > I thought my uterus was very " alive " also, because I kept having to up my P to not have breakthrough bleeding. I finally allowed the period to come (at day 27)and the period is not bad at all, no excessive bleeding. The lower back ache goes away with either quite high P (can't do that now that I have done P for 14 days) or a little extra E - so go figure. And also to throw this into the info soup: low P (25-50mgP/day) made me angry and irritable, but high P (100mg BID)was better, although still impatient! > > Madeleen > No, Madeleen, I haven't had an ultrasound or pelvic exam or pap test since last Oct. All was well at that time...we figured we would wait a year to do another one. I just reconigize how I feel now as how I felt for the last 10 years or so before menopause, when my fibroids were raging and I was hemhorraging and " all was well " then too - the only thing that gave me relief back then was P cream 10%....I use 100mg P BID every day right now along with my bi-est capsules (because they deliver less E than the gel) in order to try and get back into menopause. I feel well on P...always have!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 > My sense, , is that you were using too much Estrogel. And maybe too > much P. When I was on tri-est sublinguals and 200 mg oral compounded P, I > bled constantly. Testing showed no estradiol and P = 26 (huge). I've been > on Estrogel now for a little over two years. > > Val > I was using all that E while my doctor dragged his feet prescribing me the WP...I was a WP wannabe...but I did find that the estradiol is SO superior to bi-est or tri-est in it's effects!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 astrodiana wrote: Val has extreme self control, I think...I'll bet she can sit with a box of chocolates and eat only one I think she uses a teeny amount of Oestrogel and only like, once a day!! LOL My self control lasts as long as it takes for me to get to the point of wanting to bite someone's head off and then it is "pounce on the E time". All self control goes out the window. I have been reading Hertoghe's book - am impressed. He likes all the seven or eight hormones, pregnenolone, testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, DHEA, GH, melatonin, thyroid, calcitonin and more and says one or two of them are hardly ever enough for anyone he treats! He also says small doses are better, but use more of the different hormones! He really does like Growth Hormones! He also has a great section on "testing, testing" and lab references! He likes to listen to all the symptoms thoroughly before testing and then he will do labs. He cautions re labs, because they differ in lab references and they are usually based on people who are not well! He claims that lab references are not absolutes, just additional info to confirm what he has more or less already figured out from what the patients tell him! Madeleen Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Tri-est or bi-est in a cream form will not supply adequate systemic estrogen. I think much of "compounded hormones" is a scam. Here is a research study:Arch Gynecol Obstet. 1993;253(2):71-4.When applied to facial skin, does estrogen ointment have systemic effects?Kainz C, Gitsch G, Stani J, Breitenecker G, Binder M, Schmidt JB.2nd Department of Gynecology and Obstetrics, University of Vienna, School of Medicine, Austria.We examined cytological vaginal smears of 17 women before and after three months of dermal estrogen (1 g of 0.01% estradiol ointment or 0.3% estriol ointment once daily), applied to the face for dermatological indications. The mean age was 57.1 +/- 7.6 years (range from 46 to 66). Seven women had estrogenic smears (more than 10% superficial cells) before therapy. Nine women were treated with 0.01% estradiol ointment and 8 were treated with 0.3% estriol ointment. Both groups had gynecological examinations including cervical and vaginal smears before and after treatment and also monthly measurements of serum follicle-stimulating hormone, prolactin and estradiol levels. Serum hormone levels and the appearance of vaginal smears showed no significant change during treatment.Val-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of astrodianaI was using all that E while my doctor dragged his feet prescribing methe WP...I was a WP wannabe...but I did find that the estradiol is SOsuperior to bi-est or tri-est in it's effects!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Well I have the fibroid problems, so I'm going to keep it at 1mg per day of estrogel. I don't want to start that awful bleeding again! I guess I have to wait and see. -------------------------------- > > It says right on the package that you can take double the dose. > > I'm telling you, this is amazing. But I need the P in another > > form. > > > > > > > > I have been using the estrogel since Sept. and LOVE it. After about 6- > 8 months on it though, I began to develop problems with the bleeding, > etc - even with proper amounts of P, and had to lower the dose. Let's > face it, E creates the endometrial lining. I don't think every woman > will have this reaction, but those of us who have had polyps, fibroids, > enndmetriosis, etc and it dried up or fibroids shrunk after menopause > are bound to have it all recur at some point with high E back in our > systems. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Yeah -- extreme self control unless someone is trying to get her estrogel! ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Val has extreme self control, I think...I'll bet she can sit with a box > of chocolates and eat only one I think she uses a teeny amount of > Oestrogel and only like, once a day!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Val -- Yes, I would think that we need to take that P part of EVERY month to make it work properly. Lucky women who only need it every few months! ------------------------------------------------------ > You're welcome . I do very well on it. I tried progesterone > suppositories every three months but developed some hyperplasia. I now use > Prometrium for 10 days/month. > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhythmicliving > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > Thanks Val. This stuff is wonderful. I feel so alive again! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Yes -- I last went in October 2004 for a checkup after my D & C and my gyno said not to go back for a year also. But that was BEFORE I did all these things to myself with hormones. > > > , did you have a transvaginal ultrasound to verify your > hunch? Not that I don't think you are right...just curious. > > > > I thought my uterus was very " alive " also, because I kept having to > up my P to not have breakthrough bleeding. I finally allowed the > period to come (at day 27)and the period is not bad at all, no > excessive bleeding. The lower back ache goes away with either quite > high P (can't do that now that I have done P for 14 days) or a little > extra E - so go figure. And also to throw this into the info soup: > low P (25-50mgP/day) made me angry and irritable, but high P (100mg > BID)was better, although still impatient! > > > > Madeleen > > > > No, Madeleen, I haven't had an ultrasound or pelvic exam or pap test > since last Oct. All was well at that time...we figured we would wait > a year to do another one. I just reconigize how I feel now as how I > felt for the last 10 years or so before menopause, when my fibroids > were raging and I was hemhorraging and " all was well " then too - the > only thing that gave me relief back then was P cream 10%....I use > 100mg P BID every day right now along with my bi-est capsules > (because they deliver less E than the gel) in order to try and get > back into menopause. I feel well on P...always have!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Val - this study is about women who applied the cream facially. Doesn't it matter where you apply the cream for it to be absorbed properly? Of course, my other thought is when I was using bi-est and I kept upping the dose, it did NOTHING for me. ---------------------------------------------------------- > Tri-est or bi-est in a cream form will not supply adequate systemic > estrogen. I think much of " compounded hormones " is a scam. Here is a > research study: > > Arch Gynecol Obstet. 1993;253(2):71-4. > > When applied to facial skin, does estrogen ointment have systemic effects? > Kainz C, Gitsch G, Stani J, Breitenecker G, Binder M, Schmidt JB. > > 2nd Department of Gynecology and Obstetrics, University of Vienna, School of > Medicine, Austria. > We examined cytological vaginal smears of 17 women before and after three > months of dermal estrogen (1 g of 0.01% estradiol ointment or 0.3% estriol > ointment once daily), applied to the face for dermatological indications. > The mean age was 57.1 +/- 7.6 years (range from 46 to 66). Seven women had > estrogenic smears (more than 10% superficial cells) before therapy. Nine > women were treated with 0.01% estradiol ointment and 8 were treated with > 0.3% estriol ointment. Both groups had gynecological examinations including > cervical and vaginal smears before and after treatment and also monthly > measurements of serum follicle-stimulating hormone, prolactin and estradiol > levels. Serum hormone levels and the appearance of vaginal smears showed no > significant change during treatment. > > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 I now use Prometrium for 10 days/month. > > Val Val - are you getting a bleed cycling with your P?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Yes. After having some thickening, I am more comfortable doing it this way. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of astrodiana I now use Prometrium for 10 days/month.> > ValVal - are you getting a bleed cycling with your P?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 It does not enter the body systemically through a cream. I rub any extra on my hands/arms. It penetrates just the outer layers of skin but does nothing for hot flashes, vaginal atrophy, etc. Estriol or estradiol cream WILL absorb through mucus membranes (mouth, eyes, vagina). Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Val - this study is about women who applied the cream facially. Doesn't it matter where you apply the cream for it to be absorbed properly? Of course, my other thought is when I was using bi-est and I kept upping the dose, it did NOTHING for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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