Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 my stuff has different ingredients, Oestrogel....17 beta estradiol, cabomer, trolamine, ethanol, purified water........and to apply over large areas, arms, upper part of buttocks, lower abdomen, the lumbar region, upper theighs.NOT to breasts, or mucous membranes. Oh I figured out the stick isn't just for measuring, you apply with it too.....so you don't have to even touch it:)) It's like a little paddle, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 With respect to measuring the oestrogel from the UK 0.527 of a teaspoon is equal to 2.5 grams. So my assumption is a rounded half of teaspoon should equate to one dose of 2.5 grams or 1.5mg. Just a thought.................Valarie wrote: Here's some information on Estrogel:ESTROGEL® (estradiol gel) contains 0.06% estradiol in an absorptivehydroalcoholic gelbase formulated to provide a controlled release of theactive ingredient. The gel is applied over a large area (750 cm 2) of theskin in a thin layer. The recommended area of application is the arm, fromwrist to shoulder. An ESTROGEL unit dose of 1.25 g contains 0.75 mg ofestradiol.So on a gram scale, you could weigh 2.5 g and from that, figure the volume.There is a $50 coupon available at http://www.estrogel.comVal Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 ....... 1.5 mgs. Estrogel per day gave me a reading of 56 for E2. . And I was If this was a serum level it seems low to me, I would think it should be around 90-120. How long after application did you test? Sammie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 tested about 2 1/2 hours after .75 mg application. I apply .75 mg. BID. Does 56 seem low with this kind of application? : No, I guess not too bad. I was thinking you had applied the whole 1.5 mg at one time. I got a serum reading of 60 on a .5 mg patch once and I was not having any low E symptoms. On 1 mg oral E with a serum reading of 120 I had low E symptoms. The difference? I suspect it was SHBG was much, much higher on the oral than the transdermal and on the transdermal I was actually getting all 60 mg. You cant always just go by numbers, if you feel well and have no symptoms then maybe you can get by on less. Madeleen, I think, is experimenting with much, lower doses of E and P. Sammie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 , I am doing the Oestrogel by itself right now 1.5mg/day while having my period, but I know I need to have more as soon as I am done with the period. 56 is too low for me- would like to aim for at least 100. I just feel irritable or impatient too easily with too little E. So perhaps 1.5mg Oestrogel twice a day would work? That is 3mg/day - yeah that could work (just thinking out loud here). Thanks Jen for sharing that info! Madeleen Lenel wrote: I got blood tests back today...... 1.5 mgs. Estrogel per day gave me a reading of 56 for E2. . >> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/>> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as > medical advice.**> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Lynn Razaitis wrote: When I have "really good" days I get the gist that I'm not there a lot of the time. Still is taking a lot of energy to get through daily stuff so there's not enough left over the fun stuff. I'm also frustrating a bit now over how complicated all this gets. I'll get over it......I hear you Lynn!!!! It seems like getting to a good steady place is taking forever...or is it all an illusion? Madeleen Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 > I got blood tests back today...... 1.5 mgs. Estrogel per day gave me a > reading of 56 for E2. . And I was doing that dose for two weeks prior to > testing... Not too long before that, I tested E2 after doing 2 lines Del > Norte HRT cream, plus a patch every day and a half, and the reading was > 195. Don't know what to make of this except I need alot more > estradiol...... and other than fatigue, I can't say I am suffering greatly > from E deficiency... but can it be that I have forgotten what " really good " > feels like?! > > It takes at least a month to come down off of higher E and feel like you're not exhausted all the time...that makes it hard to stop using high E...remember, it's a great energizer, but give a kind of false energy. I found that after my first period on lower E, I began to get more energy each day...it's an adjustment period from what I have seen...and if you go from very high E to very low (like Lynn did) the fatigue levels can be debilitating...the best I have seen in various women is to go down gradually in your E dose. We need to keep remembering that the effect of ANY hormones (thyroid, cortisol, sex homrones, etc)are not cause and effect (like a pain pill or aspirin would be) from day to day, but take weeks or months sometimes to stabilize at a new level and give us an idea if we are on the right track. We all get very impatient, because WHO can take time out of your life while your body adjusts to changes....but we must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 So , what do you think? You were using Del Norte's cream? Which one? Their no-preservative cream? I doubt the cream gave you 195. Maybe it was the patch. What patch were you using? I just started the estrogel a week ago and at first, I was very energized. Today, I am DEAD. It could be that this NY humidity and heat is getting to me but still. I don't think we should have to take mega amounts of E to get that nice feeling. And to me, 3 mg a day of E is mega. ----------------------------------------------------------- > I got blood tests back today...... 1.5 mgs. Estrogel per day gave me a > reading of 56 for E2. . And I was doing that dose for two weeks prior to > testing... Not too long before that, I tested E2 after doing 2 lines Del > Norte HRT cream, plus a patch every day and a half, and the reading was > 195. Don't know what to make of this except I need alot more > estradiol...... and other than fatigue, I can't say I am suffering greatly > from E deficiency... but can it be that I have forgotten what " really good " > feels like?! > > > > RE: Re: Estrogel > > > > No self-control here. The only thing over which I exercise control is my > > Estrogel. I will throw my body over my stash to keep someone from taking > > it. And I will die when I die, with my Estrogel tube grasped firmly in my > > hand. Having been off hormones for a while, I've decided I want a good > > quality of life and estrogen gives me that. I keep wondering why young > > girls, with their loads of estrogen, are not dropping like flies with > > cancer; and why young men, with their loads of testosterone, are not > > dropping like flies with prostate cancer. > > > > 1.5 mg Estrogel, once a day, keeps the hot flashes at bay. That is an > > adequate dose for bone preservation. > > > > Val > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhythmicliving > > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of astrodiana > > > > Val has extreme self control, I think...I'll bet she can sit with a box > > of chocolates and eat only one I think she uses a teeny amount of > > Oestrogel and only like, once a day!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as > > medical advice.** > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 What doesn't enter the body systemically? Cream rubbed onto the face? --------------------------------------------------- > It does not enter the body systemically through a cream. I rub any extra on > my hands/arms. It penetrates just the outer layers of skin but does nothing > for hot flashes, vaginal atrophy, etc. Estriol or estradiol cream WILL > absorb through mucus membranes (mouth, eyes, vagina). > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Yes. Estriol cream is good on face wrinkles though. When I first started using it, I did an experiment by using it on only half my face/ear lobes for a couple of weeks. Then had DH and DD pick out the least worst side. They both picked the estriol cream side as best. I could see the difference. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of What doesn't enter the body systemically? Cream rubbed onto the face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 ALL on a lousy 18mg of P !!!! I can't even think about what the hell Idid to myself on WP. Lynn, that's me on 5-10mgs.P.......did it for 4 days and had to bail, not ready for that stuff yet??? maybe ever??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 I wonder if it's going in too quick??? Doesn't feel like it though. I get this feeling aftr a couple of hours. I don't know what's up with it.....maybe as it starts to go through the liver? Maybe try cutting the P with more olive oil...like make a 50% dilution. Think I'm going to do that and use far less. The E is so straight forward. Add E = feel good. Add P = wierd stuff starts happening. Lynn Doesn't feel like it right after > > > > > I hear you Lynn!!!! It seems like getting to a good steady place > is > > taking forever...or is it all an illusion? Madeleen > > > > > > ----> Illusion... that's the word I was looking for LOLOL! > > I've been doing 18mg of P the last few days trying to add it back > in > > and I'm wiped again. (P is oo sublingual from the WIP bottle that > > 8drops = 50mgs. I'm doing 1 drop AM and 2 drops P.) > > > > I'm sleeping great...in fact I want to sleep all the time just like > > last year. I WANT my 2:00pm nap so bad I can't stand it. And I go > > comatose with it. My muscles are getting weak again, losing > enthusiasm > > for life and my appetite has returned for sugar, sugar, sugar.... > > ALL on a lousy 18mg of P !!!! I can't even think about what the > hell I > > did to myself on WP. > > > > I waiting to see what the blood test last week shows. I tested the > E > > before adding any P. > > Bye > > Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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