Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 This sounds as if he is having muscle spasms. These can be induced by a pinched nerve, usually in the lumbar region of the back. I speak from experience as I had this happen to me once, in 1976. There was no trauma preceeding it. I had been gluing fabric to an airframe on a jig that was knee high (stupid me, followed the suggestion to make it knee-high on the blueprints) Mine proved to be caused by a displaced vertebrae and was most painful. An Osteopath fixed it after I had been to a GP Doc who wanted to put me in traction for 10 days. No surgery in my case as the Doc popped it back into place after 1/2 hr heat and massage and ultrasound. Gave me an IV muscle relaxer and a prescription for Robylaxin muscle relaxer, and it healed. Was inflammed disc to boot. Gerry > > Hello, List Members: > > Can anyone help with suggestions re the following problem? > > About three weeks ago, my husband came down with such severe back and > stomach pains that he could not sit, stand or sleep. A visit to a very > fine > massage therapist/acupuncturist informed us that his back muscles were so > tight that they were rigid. He has been sweating profusely and sometimes > running a fever. > > He has had a problem for many years with a pouch on the esophagus, > which he > has been able during those years to 'more or less " manage by watching very > closely what he eats and how much at one time. However, with the onset of > the stomach and back pain, he could not swallow food or liquid without it > coming back up..not all at once, but in a very tortuous process over > days, a > little at a time. No liquid or nourishment of any kind can reach his > stomach. However, about two weeks into this, he developed massive diarrhea > for about three or four days. That has now subsided. He said that the > diarrhea was more debilitating that than the knife like pain. > > In the last day or so, the back and stomach pain are somewhat better, but > the rigid muscle problem has now gone to his legs. One can literally see > the tight muscles in the legs looking like bound rope. He can barely walk. > > Dehydration has of course now become a major problem and not one to be > fooled around with. > > Has anyone had a similar experience or can shed any light on what is going > on here? > > All input would be most appreciated. > > Taffy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Taffy: Fever would indicate an infection somewhere in body. Do you think he may have food fermenting in the pocket in the esophagus pocket that is trapped? Can he lay in any position when he swallows such that food cannot enter this pocket as the peristalisis works the food to the stomach? Activated charcoal powder will absorb toxins if it can be swallowed to reach the problem. It is used on all emergency room entries like children when they have no idea of what is ingested. Massage therapist may not be deep massage therapist such that they can work on the legs with a painful working of the muscles to try to make them dump the lactic acid and relax. This takes a person with forearms that look like posts and most are not even built to provide this kind of massage. Some sports medicine massage people are as they are used to working on " horses " to relieve injury in football or other contact sports. Harvey in Houston Taffy wrote: > > Hello, List Members: > > Can anyone help with suggestions re the following problem? > > About three weeks ago, my husband came down with such severe back and > stomach pains that he could not sit, stand or sleep. A visit to a very > fine > massage therapist/acupuncturist informed us that his back muscles were so > tight that they were rigid. He has been sweating profusely and sometimes > running a fever. > > He has had a problem for many years with a pouch on the esophagus, > which he > has been able during those years to 'more or less " manage by watching very > closely what he eats and how much at one time. However, with the onset of > the stomach and back pain, he could not swallow food or liquid without it > coming back up..not all at once, but in a very tortuous process over > days, a > little at a time. No liquid or nourishment of any kind can reach his > stomach. However, about two weeks into this, he developed massive diarrhea > for about three or four days. That has now subsided. He said that the > diarrhea was more debilitating that than the knife like pain. > > In the last day or so, the back and stomach pain are somewhat better, but > the rigid muscle problem has now gone to his legs. One can literally see > the tight muscles in the legs looking like bound rope. He can barely walk. > > Dehydration has of course now become a major problem and not one to be > fooled around with. > > Has anyone had a similar experience or can shed any light on what is going > on here? > > All input would be most appreciated. > > Taffy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Good idea Harvey. they use a liquid for poisoning, not capsules, which may be all he can handle. Possibly mix some dry in a blender w/ a bit of fruit juice. I wonder if food poisoning started this a long time ago and it was never completely gone ? --tls From: Harvey Metzler Subject: Re: Can anyone help? Fever would indicate an infection somewhere in body. Do you think he may have food fermenting in the pocket in the esophagus pocket that is trapped? Can he lay in any position when he swallows such that food cannot enter this pocket as the peristalisis works the food to the stomach? Activated charcoal powder will absorb toxins if it can be swallowed to reach the problem. It is used on all emergency room entries like children when they have no idea of what is ingested. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Hi Taffy, I'm no doc, just a Lymie lab-rat, and this situation sounds like a doc might be a good idea (I know, few of us have much confidence in them) It also sounds like he might also have a real problem with electrolyte imbalance which often comes with the dehydration of diarrhea. Time might be of the essence, here. Some epsom salt baths, with magnesium flakes might transdermally help those spasming muscles. if he can't take in minerals by mouth just now, perhaps transdermally, with DMSO, or mix with arnica could ease those muscles. I used to keep Flexeril on hand for extreme spasms, and take just a half, to head them off at the pass. When muscles are in extreme tension, they can damage tendons, attachments, bones, so this shouldn't be permitted to go on for too long. Wish I knew more. Hope others will have some ideas. Be well, Léna Hello, List Members: Can anyone help with suggestions re the following problem? About three weeks ago, my husband came down with such severe back and stomach pains that he could not sit, stand or sleep. A visit to a very fine massage therapist/acupuncturist informed us that his back muscles were so tight that they were rigid. He has been sweating profusely and sometimes running a fever. He has had a problem for many years with a pouch on the esophagus, which he has been able during those years to 'more or less " manage by watching very closely what he eats and how much at one time. However, with the onset of the stomach and back pain, he could not swallow food or liquid without it coming back up..not all at once, but in a very tortuous process over days, a little at a time. No liquid or nourishment of any kind can reach his stomach. However, about two weeks into this, he developed massive diarrhea for about three or four days. That has now subsided. He said that the diarrhea was more debilitating that than the knife like pain. In the last day or so, the back and stomach pain are somewhat better, but the rigid muscle problem has now gone to his legs. One can literally see the tight muscles in the legs looking like bound rope. He can barely walk. Dehydration has of course now become a major problem and not one to be fooled around with. Has anyone had a similar experience or can shed any light on what is going on here? All input would be most appreciated. Taffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I am wondering if this could possibly be Sciatica? http://www.eurospine.org/p31000225.html Jayne Crocker From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO [mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Gerry Simpkins Sent: 01 August 2011 21:17 To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Subject: Re: Can anyone help? This sounds as if he is having muscle spasms. These can be induced by a pinched nerve, usually in the lumbar region of the back. I speak from experience as I had this happen to me once, in 1976. There was no trauma preceeding it. I had been gluing fabric to an airframe on a jig that was knee high (stupid me, followed the suggestion to make it knee-high on the blueprints) Mine proved to be caused by a displaced vertebrae and was most painful. An Osteopath fixed it after I had been to a GP Doc who wanted to put me in traction for 10 days. No surgery in my case as the Doc popped it back into place after 1/2 hr heat and massage and ultrasound. Gave me an IV muscle relaxer and a prescription for Robylaxin muscle relaxer, and it healed. Was inflammed disc to boot. Gerry .._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Charcoal is pretty easy to take but it has a tendency to settle in only water so it needs to be swallowed fairly quickly. The stuff they use in the emergency rooms may have a suspension fluid of some kind mixed with the charcoal. Anytime for any reason and given any opportunity that I have a cleaning out of gut from food poisoning, flu symptoms, diarrhea or any other reason, I load with charcoal. Many times you will feel a " quiet " settle over the entire body and I think this is from the charcoal picking up toxins as it walks through the GI tract. It is good on an empty GI track or after a short fast often. It is probably a lot more important than eating to not eat and load with charcoal between eating. Activated charcoal is the most important thing to put in anyones home medication or travel medication area as it is so good for lots of things. H tlsmith_1 wrote: > > Good idea Harvey. they use a liquid for poisoning, not capsules, which > may be all he can handle. Possibly mix some dry in a blender w/ a bit > of fruit juice. I wonder if food poisoning started this a long time > ago and it was never completely gone ? --tls > > From: Harvey Metzler > Subject: Re: Can anyone help? > > Fever would indicate an infection somewhere in body. Do you think he may > have food fermenting in the pocket in the esophagus pocket that is > trapped? > > Can he lay in any position when he swallows such that food cannot enter > this pocket as the peristalisis works the food to the stomach? > > Activated charcoal powder will absorb toxins if it can be swallowed to > reach the problem. It is used on all emergency room entries like > children when they have no idea of what is ingested. ... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 No, we sought standard medical advice both in North America and Europe. We were told that while in principle an operation could be done, it was not advisable. The reason being that the tissue is so fragile were he to cough vigorously, for example at a later date, he could tear the tissue and self poison. It's a really tough situation. Thanks to all who have responded so quickly, I will reply to each response as I can. Taffy Re: Can anyone help? Is his esophagus operable ? Smitty ~~~~~~~~~~ > ** > > > Hi Taffy, > > I'm not someone who runs to the doctor every time there's a problem, but in > this instance I would go and go quickly. > > The first thing that came to mind was that the pouch on his esophagus may > have become twisted, so that nothing can get past it, even water. > > As you know, dehydration can quickly become life-threatening. > > Dianne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Lena wrote: Hi Taffy, It also sounds like he might also have a real problem with electrolyte imbalance which often comes with the dehydration of diarrhea. Time might be of the essence, here. ******Time is of the essence and you are right, the electrolyte imbalance is something we are very conscious of...but have not found an answer to help with this because he cannot take anything by mouth right now. Something thru the skin might be a possibility . His mouth is so very dry. Some epsom salt baths, with magnesium flakes might transdermally help those spasming muscles. if he can't take in minerals by mouth just now, perhaps transdermally, with DMSO, or mix with arnica could ease those muscles. *******We have been trying long baths in Magnesium Bath Salts, and using arnica and magnesium oil with DMSO on the muscles. There has been some relief from this but not a cure. I used to keep Flexeril on hand for extreme spasms, and take just a half, to head them off at the pass. When muscles are in extreme tension, they can damage tendons, attachments, bones, so this shouldn't be permitted to go on for too long. Wish I knew more *******Thanks for the Flexeril suggestion, it is new to me and we will try it tomorrow (hope I can find it here in Canada). Taffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I think the inability to take even a tiny amount of liquid super-cedes the muscle stuff at this point because whatever treatment is needed after diagnosis of the muscles and the stomach pain, the mechanics of administering some relief will require access. If dehydration is a threat to IVs, he's already in a bad place. This really sounds like an emergency situation. So sorry, Lena Harvey and tlsmith_1 wrote: Charcoal is pretty easy to take but it has a tendency to settle in only water so it needs to be swallowed fairly quickly. portant than eating to not eat and load with charcoal between eating. Activated charcoal is the most important thing to put in anyones home medication or travel medication area as it is so good for lots of things. H tlsmith_1 wrote: > > Good idea Harvey. they use a liquid for poisoning, not capsules, which > may be all he can handle. Possibly mix some dry in a blender w/ a bit > of fruit juice. I wonder if food poisoning started this a long time > ago and it was never completely gone ? --tls > > From: Harvey Metzler > Subject: Re: Can anyone help? > > Fever would indicate an infection somewhere in body. Do you think he may > have food fermenting in the pocket in the esophagus pocket that is > trapped? > > Can he lay in any position when he swallows such that food cannot enter > this pocket as the peristalisis works the food to the stomach? > > Activated charcoal powder will absorb toxins if it can be swallowed to > reach the problem. It is used on all emergency room entries like > children when they have no idea of what is ingested. ... > Thanks to both of you for contributing. Yes, the caught food particles could be fermenting food. However, the problem is that he cannot even swall a spoonful of liquid right now without literally convulsing it along with a mucous type solution up. Nothing, literally nothing will go down. We have tried different positions of the body, nothing seems to work. The scary part of considering intravenous feeding of fluids is that his veins may be so dehydrated that another problem would occur. I have seen this happen in another individual. The core question still is what is causing the rigid muscles and the severe pain. It may be dehydration, but I am trying to consider all angles, including what might be used topically...if anything. Thanks again, Taffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Flexeril is a prescription drug. It's in a tiny tablet. There might be some way of crushing it, mixing it with some DMSO and colloidal silver, and glycerine (basically mix) and see if it can be absorbed transdermally. Or perhaps there are some other liquid anti- spasmodics that could be transdermally applied. You might want to google 'castor oil packs'. These have been tremendously helpful for all sorts of problems, even those of internal organs, and might help the stomach situation. I think they were first introduced by Edgar Cayce.They might even help the esophagus, if applied there. But really, this all sounds like time is of the essence, and you don't want his condition to deteriorate past a certain point. I'm no doc, just a Lymie lab-rat, and this sounds like a situation where a doc is needed. Be well, Léna Lena wrote: Hi Taffy, It also sounds like he might also have a real problem with electrolyte imbalance which often comes with the dehydration of diarrhea. Time might be of the essence, here. ******Time is of the essence and you are right, the electrolyte imbalance is something we are very conscious of...but have not found an answer to help with this because he cannot take anything by mouth right now. Something thru the skin might be a possibility . His mouth is so very dry. Some epsom salt baths, with magnesium flakes might transdermally help those spasming muscles. if he can't take in minerals by mouth just now, perhaps transdermally, with DMSO, or mix with arnica could ease those muscles. *******We have been trying long baths in Magnesium Bath Salts, and using arnica and magnesium oil with DMSO on the muscles. There has been some relief from this but not a cure. I used to keep Flexeril on hand for extreme spasms, and take just a half, to head them off at the pass. When muscles are in extreme tension, they can damage tendons, attachments, bones, so this shouldn't be permitted to go on for too long. Wish I knew more *******Thanks for the Flexeril suggestion, it is new to me and we will try it tomorrow (hope I can find it here in Canada). Taffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 I have not seen mention of using implant enemas to rehydrate so I will bring it up. You have to be careful with this method as it can be un-balancing by putting in too much Mg or too much plain water, but it is a route of absorption that bypasses the mouth and is very fast. I would probably try a balanced electrolyte powder or solution sold for horses. I keep such in my medical supply box. There are home made recipes for making your own oral electrolyte replacement solutions on the net. Garnet -- Janet R. , MA Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com List owner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Flexeril is a prescription drug. It's in a tiny tablet. There might be > some way of crushing it, mixing it with some DMSO and colloidal > silver, and glycerine (basically mix) and see if it can be > absorbed transdermally. Or perhaps there are some other liquid anti- > spasmodics that could be transdermally applied. > > You might want to google 'castor oil packs'. These have been > tremendously helpful for all sorts of problems, even those of internal > organs, and might help the stomach situation. I think they were first > introduced by Edgar Cayce.They might even help the esophagus, if > applied there. > > But really, this all sounds like time is of the essence, and you don't > want his condition to deteriorate past a certain point. I'm no doc, > just a Lymie lab-rat, and this sounds like a situation where a doc is > needed. > > Be well, > Léna > > > Lena wrote: > > Hi Taffy, > It also sounds like he might also have a real problem with electrolyte > imbalance which often comes with the dehydration of diarrhea. Time > might be of the essence, here. > > ******Time is of the essence and you are right, the electrolyte > imbalance is > something we are very conscious of...but have not found an answer to > help > with this because he cannot take anything by mouth right now. Something > thru the skin might be a possibility . His mouth is so very dry. > > Some epsom salt baths, with magnesium flakes might transdermally help > those spasming muscles. if he can't take in minerals by mouth just > now, perhaps transdermally, with DMSO, or mix with arnica could > ease those muscles. > > *******We have been trying long baths in Magnesium Bath Salts, and using > arnica and magnesium oil with DMSO on the muscles. There has been some > relief from this but not a cure. > > I used to keep Flexeril on hand for extreme > spasms, and take just a half, to head them off at the pass. When > muscles are in extreme tension, they can damage tendons, attachments, > bones, so this shouldn't be permitted to go on for too long. Wish I > knew more > > *******Thanks for the Flexeril suggestion, it is new to me and we will > try > it tomorrow (hope I can find it here in Canada). > > Taffy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 There is a simple test, just pull up some skin with a pinch, if it does not return and smooth back to it's original shape, within about two seconds. . Problems, david lubbock tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 NO please look elsewhere before using this " rehydration " " formula " ! Homeopathic remedies dissolved under the tongue, MII baths per 's guidelines a while ago, holding pure water in the mouth, rectal infusions very slowly, naso-gastric infusions very slowly will rehydrate this man ...... consider coconut water from fresh young coconuts ....... please send more details to help selection of homeopathic remedies (date of birth other prior symptoms, vaccines, medications, medical surgical Hx, food allergies, bowel habits, form, diet) I'm happy to look at it privately if you wish all that to be less public. Breathing exercises, hands on healing with love, will help enormously Consider castor oil packs around the stomach & liver Jane Re: Can anyone help? The basic rehydration formula is: 1 quart potable water. 1 " pinch " sugar. 1 " pinch " iodized salt. 1 " pinch " table salt. Lehman's has a measuring set that includes a " pinch " scoop. http://www.lehmans.com. A local store near you may carry it. If desired, add a drink flavor, like Crystal Lite. Shake for a few minutes and let stand for a few minutes. Refrigerate if desired. Re shake and let person sip through a straw. Alternatively, buy and administer Gatorade. Last year, I had diarhia and dehydration. It is imperative that you know that either can kill. Together, they will kill a person faster. Get him to the ER, NOW !!!!! Bruce Chesley On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 06:09:17 -0500 Garnet writes: I have not seen mention of using implant enemas to rehydrate so I will bring it up. You have to be careful with this method as it can be un-balancing by putting in too much Mg or too much plain water, but it is a route of absorption that bypasses the mouth and is very fast. I would probably try a balanced electrolyte powder or solution sold for horses. I keep such in my medical supply box. There are home made recipes for making your own oral electrolyte replacement solutions on the net. Garnet -- Janet R. , MA Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com List owner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Flexeril is a prescription drug. It's in a tiny tablet. There might be > some way of crushing it, mixing it with some DMSO and colloidal > silver, and glycerine (basically mix) and see if it can be > absorbed transdermally. Or perhaps there are some other liquid anti- > spasmodics that could be transdermally applied. > > You might want to google 'castor oil packs'. These have been > tremendously helpful for all sorts of problems, even those of internal > organs, and might help the stomach situation. I think they were first > introduced by Edgar Cayce.They might even help the esophagus, if > applied there. > > But really, this all sounds like time is of the essence, and you don't > want his condition to deteriorate past a certain point. I'm no doc, > just a Lymie lab-rat, and this sounds like a situation where a doc is > needed. > > Be well, > Léna > > > Lena wrote: > > Hi Taffy, > It also sounds like he might also have a real problem with electrolyte > imbalance which often comes with the dehydration of diarrhea. Time > might be of the essence, here. > > ******Time is of the essence and you are right, the electrolyte > imbalance is > something we are very conscious of...but have not found an answer to > help > with this because he cannot take anything by mouth right now. Something > thru the skin might be a possibility . His mouth is so very dry. > > Some epsom salt baths, with magnesium flakes might transdermally help > those spasming muscles. if he can't take in minerals by mouth just > now, perhaps transdermally, with DMSO, or mix with arnica could > ease those muscles. > > *******We have been trying long baths in Magnesium Bath Salts, and using > arnica and magnesium oil with DMSO on the muscles. There has been some > relief from this but not a cure. > > I used to keep Flexeril on hand for extreme > spasms, and take just a half, to head them off at the pass. When > muscles are in extreme tension, they can damage tendons, attachments, > bones, so this shouldn't be permitted to go on for too long. Wish I > knew more > > *******Thanks for the Flexeril suggestion, it is new to me and we will > try > it tomorrow (hope I can find it here in Canada). > > Taffy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Please get him to an ER, NOW ! Bruce Chesley On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:10:14 -0700 " Taffy " writes: I am writing to thank both Bruce Chelsey and Janet R. for their suggestions/directives below which are appreciated. Taffy The basic rehydration formula is: 1 quart potable water. 1 " pinch " sugar. 1 " pinch " iodized salt. 1 " pinch " table salt. Lehman's has a measuring set that includes a " pinch " scoop. http://www.lehmans.com. A local store near you may carry it. If desired, add a drink flavor, like Crystal Lite. Shake for a few minutes and let stand for a few minutes. Refrigerate if desired. Re shake and let person sip through a straw. Alternatively, buy and administer Gatorade. Last year, I had diarhia and dehydration. It is imperative that you know that either can kill. Together, they will kill a person faster. Get him to the ER, NOW !!!!! Bruce Chesley On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 06:09:17 -0500 Garnet <garnet@... <mailto:garnet%40grandecom.net> > writes: I have not seen mention of using implant enemas to rehydrate so I will bring it up. You have to be careful with this method as it can be un-balancing by putting in too much Mg or too much plain water, but it is a route of absorption that bypasses the mouth and is very fast. I would probably try a balanced electrolyte powder or solution sold for horses. I keep such in my medical supply box. There are home made recipes for making your own oral electrolyte replacement solutions on the net. Garnet -- Janet R. , MA Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Bruce, he has finally agreed to go for medical help this morning.....thank you very much for your very clear and well founded concern. I will report back to this caring and considerate list. Taffy Re: Can anyone help? Please get him to an ER, NOW ! Bruce Chesley T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Was this used coffee grounds or fresh before brewing? www.lyme-resource.com You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - > Re: Can anyone help? > > > > Is his esophagus operable ? > > > > Smitty > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Hi Taffy, > > > > > > I'm not someone who runs to the doctor every time there's > a problem, > > > but > > in > > > this instance I would go and go quickly. > > > > > > The first thing that came to mind was that the pouch on his > > > esophagus may have become twisted, so that nothing can > get past it, even water. > > > > > > As you know, dehydration can quickly become life-threatening. > > > > > > Dianne > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Taffy, This is very good news. Keep encouraging him to follow MDs directions. I pray that he gets well, soon Bruce On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:36:48 -0700 " Taffy " writes: Bruce, he has finally agreed to go for medical help this morning.....thank you very much for your very clear and well founded concern. I will report back to this caring and considerate list. Taffy Re: Can anyone help? Please get him to an ER, NOW ! Bruce Chesley T ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e389a6c9a9837a5e9st05vuc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I believe its called " tenting " .You can even use the test, periodically, to tell if the condition is getting worse, by counting one thousand one, one thousand two, when you do it.So, if the first time you do it its tenting x's 2 (2 seconds) and the next time its 3 seconds, (or tenting x's 3) the patient is getting worse.If it goes the other way, they are getting better. The opposite condition is called 'pitting edema'; and is from water retention, or congestive heart failure.You push your finger tip into the skin, and it makes a dent, and when you remove your finger, it takes seconds for the dent to fill in, like one of those new space-age mattresses.And again, by counting how long to return to 'normal' you have a baseline to compare later measurements to.Jim > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, , for your response....good to know. > > Taffy > > There is a simple test, just pull up some skin with a pinch, if it does not > return and smooth back to it's original shape, within about two seconds. . > Problems, david lubbock tx > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011  Please don't mess around with this. Send him to a hospital FAST. Electrolyte imbalances are DEADLY. Forget about trying to give electrolytes through the skin. You have no idea what his Potassium, Sodium, Magnesium, Phosphate, Chloride and Calcium levels are or how to balance those via trans-dermal, oral or rectal administration. The hospital can run an analysis of all his electrolytes to see what is too LOW and what is too HIGH and give him IV infusions directly into the bloodstream to correct everything. This is SO treatable and ignoring it or trying to self medicate is so DEADLY. As was said, " TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE " . I hate hospitals but I would not hesitate in this instance. Self treatment in this case can make matters worse. Hi Taffy, It also sounds like he might also have a real problem with electrolyte imbalance which often comes with the dehydration of diarrhea. Time might be of the essence, here. ******Time is of the essence and you are right, the electrolyte imbalance is something we are very conscious of...but have not found an answer to help with this because he cannot take anything by mouth right now. Something thru the skin might be a possibility . His mouth is so very dry. Some epsom salt baths, with magnesium flakes might transdermally help those spasming muscles. if he can't take in minerals by mouth just now, perhaps transdermally, with DMSO, or mix with arnica could ease those muscles. *******We have been trying long baths in Magnesium Bath Salts, and using arnica and magnesium oil with DMSO on the muscles. There has been some relief from this but not a cure. I used to keep Flexeril on hand for extreme spasms, and take just a half, to head them off at the pass. When muscles are in extreme tension, they can damage tendons, attachments, bones, so this shouldn't be permitted to go on for too long. Wish I knew more *******Thanks for the Flexeril suggestion, it is new to me and we will try it tomorrow (hope I can find it here in Canada). Taffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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