Re: Re: Janet, too radical

January 15, 2004

Medicare pays for

Hospice.

Doesn't this come under the part that you don't pay for???? Even if she gives up Part A, she would still have hospitalization but not regular care from doctor's visits, etc.

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January 15, 2004

Hi Melody,

I think you are right as far as the cancer goes i watched my dad die of it and the day he died he asked the doc to up his morphine patch as it wasn't working plus he was also taking oramorph.That night he died it took him till 7 in the evening to come out of his bedroom and he sat to watch tv with me and have a cup of tea.about 2 hours later he was dead and i was standing there flapping like a chicken because i didn't know what to do it was a total nightmare hence i couldn't sleep and went to doc told him and ended up on paxil along with a sleeping pill. Daddid tell me tho the radiation was killing him quicker and he wished he never had it. Roz

January 15, 2004

Hi Janet,

I don't think you'r a mad woman at all I think you are a realy nice human being with a wonderful sense of humour. Hugs from Roz

I love your saying keep on keeping on because thats all we can do ''LOL''

January 15, 2004

No, Melody, i have no use for fake caring people (the traditional

medical world) when i feel badly. My Dad was up and about doing finances

until a couple of days before he died. I think i would go rather

quickly if i just let her rip. I have no use for the slow lingering

death of " treatment " .

I'm stuck with Medicare A (hospitalization). Isn't it strange that they

force you to go to the hospital (total torture in my book) and won't

force you to take pain drugs. real caring system. :-)

janet

January 15, 2004

Just gotta poke my nose in here. My impression is that hospice care takers

are the most caring folks in medicine. I could be wrong but I doubt it. The

point of hospice is to keep the dying patient as comfortable as possible.

It's hard work and not for your average certified care taker.

I spent 7 years working as a Certified Nursing Assistant in a nursing home

and in private duty. I did this when I couldn't cope with the stress of a

print media sales job. CNAs get a bad rap and deservedly so. In general I

found my coworkers to be under educated, over worked and under paid. I felt

frustrated and angry when I observed uncaring behavior on the part of my

coworkers.

jmg3333@... wrote:

> No, Melody, i have no use for fake caring people (the traditional

> medical world) when i feel badly. My Dad was up and about doing finances

> until a couple of days before he died. I think i would go rather

> quickly if i just let her rip. I have no use for the slow lingering

> death of " treatment " .

>

> I'm stuck with Medicare A (hospitalization). Isn't it strange that they

> force you to go to the hospital (total torture in my book) and won't

> force you to take pain drugs. real caring system. :-)

>

> janet

January 15, 2004

Hi ;

" Treatment " creates long lingering deaths. Once you stop " treatment "

you can either choose healing through what is done here or nothing and

leave it to God who is merciful if you see it my way (too long to

explain and probaby inappropriate for the list so if interested i'll

discuss offlist) and go quickly. I've been knocked out and in bad

condition enough to know that when you are deathly ill there is no pain.

the worst is nothingness. no consciousness and then you wake up or

don't.

but i guess tbottom line (sorry catherine-- i don't know what else to

say) is deep true faith; it aina gonna happen because God ain't ike that

unless there is a prety darned good reason an di don't see anyway i'm

gonna suffer senselessly. I just don't see that at all. I guess we will

have to agree to disagree because it is a conviction on my part that

defies explanation.

Yes, many of the workers try to care but it's awful job they have to

watch what looks like suffering and may indeed be.I find it much more

humane to go quickly and sidestep the false hope of various current

" treatments " in the traditional medical world.

janet

January 15, 2004

Dear Melody,

If Janet needs Medicare she will still be eligible to receive it. Until

it is in effect she can be covered by Medicaid in the event of a

catastrophic illness.

Regards,

January 15, 2004

Hi ;

I don't qualify for Medicaid. Make too much money. You've got to be on

the streets just about to qualify in this state. Ireally have no need

of " medicine " . I'll goto Haiti and talk to the voodoo guys as they would

do a better more humane job of what " medicine " purports to do. Like

psychiatry there are some well intentioned people in medicine. But they

just don't understand what they are actually doing. imho.

janet

January 15, 2004

Dear Janet,

You said:

<< " Treatment " creates long lingering deaths. Once you stop " treatment "

you can either choose healing through what is done here or nothing and

leave it to God who is merciful if you see it my way (too long to

explain and probaby inappropriate for the list so if interested i'll

discuss offlist) and go quickly. I've been knocked out and in bad

condition enough to know that when you are deathly ill there is no pain.

the worst is nothingness. no consciousness and then you wake up or

don't.

but i guess tbottom line (sorry catherine-- i don't know what else to

say) is deep true faith; it aina gonna happen because God ain't ike that

unless there is a prety darned good reason an di don't see anyway i'm

gonna suffer senselessly. I just don't see that at all. I guess we will

have to agree to disagree because it is a conviction on my part that

defies explanation. >>

** I feel like I'm looking in the mirror, lol.

Regards,

January 15, 2004

Dear Janet,

You said:

<<I don't qualify for Medicaid. Make too much money. You've got to be on

the streets just about to qualify in this state. Ireally have no need

of " medicine " . I'll goto Haiti and talk to the voodoo guys as they would

do a better more humane job of what " medicine " purports to do. Like

psychiatry there are some well intentioned people in medicine. But they

just don't understand what they are actually doing. imho.>>

** LOL, understood.

What I was trying to say but said poorly was that Medicaid has a clause for

catastrophic illness. The earnings can be much higher in this case.

Regards,

January 15, 2004

Hi ;

I didn't know that about Medicaid but i probably would not go to the

hell of digging up info on it. I've thought long and hard about this

decision and i really don't think i have much need of " medicine " .

Anything that is that serious will kill me more cleanly if i just let it

go. Anything else like a broken bone or such, well i takes my chances.

I just got a hunch it aina gonna happen as all i do is vegetate and i've

already taken nasty falls with only a bruise or two to show for

them.Anyway as i said it's this conviciton business. who can argue with

a mad woman?

janet

January 15, 2004

Dear Janet,

Feel free to elaborate as you see fit. I think this is an interesting

topic. Some will relate, some won't. I think this group is sophisticated

enough to tolerate, and even embrace, diversity.

Regards,

January 15, 2004

Hi Melody;

I know you are of a different persuasion than me and this is not the

place to discuss such things. conviction. God aina do that to me without

good reason. I accept that. The last fifty year shave been hell. what's

a little more?:-)

janet

January 15, 2004

Hi ;

It's all very complicated in one way and easy in another. If you have

rock solid faith in God as the christians are supposed to know Him

(merciful, etc.) then there is no problem. Takes time to come to that

conclusion though and that might be why all on this list that talk seem

to be in their own living hells. I know my life has been a hell. For

thrity five years i couldn't talk and was beaten bloody by the language

skilled individuals who run the world. blabblab blab on and on. Cripes

they'll never shut up-- like me now i guess :-).

Anyway, now for the last fifteen or so years i have had nothing but

language in my head. yakety yakkety yak. (No language before this-

silence).

As a speech pathologist i wanted to find out the scoop on why i was

language and speech impaired or non-traditional shall we say. I found

out. God's doing a number on all of us. He's back if He was ever gone

and word has it He's taking over.

TBN is a real sports show these days. It's a good vs evil deal. And the

church as we know (the buildings and pastors and the demand for

perfection to join their clubs and the lack of any meaningful help for

people like us-- just torture drugs and incarceration thye call

" hopitalization " and etc.) well we " defective " people who " must take

drugs because we have feelings " well we are not wanted or welcome in the

churches. we can't be saved because we tend to do rude things like smoke

(God's a smoking upstairs but good) and make noise and or cry or

something. we're pains:-). The only people who put up with suchlike are

those making money off us or ourselves-- the throwaways and castaways.

To be " saved " isnot muttering a prayer about a namby pamby Jesus asking

Him to make you perfect. God is perfect. The perfect person is a total

mess up. God like his children to know what they are- screw ups. and we

fit the ticket. I'm a perfect mess up and i doubt i've ever done

anything right in my whole life. I can't do anything right.:-)

Anyway, the world is turning or has turned upside down. His people are

poor and abused and throwaways or on their way to being such. I have no

idea the timetable here or what exactly is going to happen and i may

just be completely fruit loops but UH OH He's back.

He's hilarious, kind, thoughtful, open, and all the things anyone would

want in a person you deal with. Oh there are hells here and there but

ever since i accepted the fact i'm gonna die someday i've bee getting

better.

It's a fascination the evil can't win. They are doing God's work of

saving people because they have to play by the rules and the rules say

they have to be perfect. God plays by God's rules which is whatever the

hell He chooses :-). Glory trying to trust Him is difficult.

We've been through hundreds of scenarios of what might would could

happen to the dear wold. It's hilarious. Oh I wish you guys would talk

to Him. If you go schiz and actually hear Him you will have the time

ofyour life. Fascinating and hilarious if it didn't hurt so much getting

to the points of acceptance. A truly wonderful journey.

It's all Biblical as far as I can tell.

Well so much for one mad woman's take on the world. Coming to God and

Christ is no picnic but it's well worth the trip imho.

Oh and for those of you who have beloved pets. All animals go to

heaven. I lost a cat to being run over a couple of weks ago. My cats

have been my life so you would think i'd be a basket cae. No deal.

Hardly shed a tear as i know that Ratzinger was well gone before the car

ever hit. I don't know exactly how things work but it's that faith and

trust deal. All things work out for the best.

janet

January 15, 2004

Hi Melody;

It's far fro a hopeless situation. Yes you have been and are in Hell.

This is the worst of it for you if you don't take your life by your own

hand probably. Stick it out and search like with your tibetan book of

the dead. It's sunny skies if you do. Think of the best the very best

things that could happen to you and you may have yourown inkling of what

heaven or the kingdom to come will be like. There's great hope. Have no

fear as the Pope keeps harping. The world wants to know why that darned

Pope doesn't do the decent thing and just die. I guess He's on fire for

God :-). God is a massive paradox and funny as hell. Go schiz! go

psychiatric and you're home free!!!!! No more fear of doctors toruring

you and etc. It's true freedom.

janet

January 15, 2004

Hi Rox;

Thanks. Every time i come to the end of my rope up pops pure hilarity or

something. I jes' keep on keepingon and try not to worry myself too sick

about the whole ordeal. It'll end sometime. janet

January 15, 2004

Dear Janet,

You said:

<<It's all very complicated in one way and easy in another. If you have

rock solid faith in God as the christians are supposed to know Him

(merciful, etc.) then there is no problem. Takes time to come to that

conclusion though>>

** I'd like to be more expansive on that to include all those whose

beliefs may differ from Christians but whose faith is no less rock solid. I

cite the Tower of Babel as my reference for this statement.

You said:

<< and that might be why all on this list that talk seem

to be in their own living hells. I know my life has been a hell.>>

** Everyone is on their own individual journey. All journies lead to

one place. But along the way, people experience different things. This is

meant to be. Some are on a shorter road; some are on a longer road. The

beauty of it is there are no mistakes. You can't be where you are unless

you've been where you've been. :-)

You said:

<<TBN is a real sports show these days. It's a good vs evil deal. And the