Guest guest Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Who can guide me as to where to learn how to measure drops vs. milligrams? After all my searching of the web, I am left still clueless as to how to know drops to milligrams or powder to milligrams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 LK, aka clueless, drops is ambigious, if you do not know the concentration of elemental iodine/potassium iodide. I make a ten percent solution, which means it has ten mgs per drop. Amazon sells a two percent solution, and a five percent solution, also they sell tablets that have 12.5mgs per tab, ie, iodoral. Actually LK, it is more complicated than that, two percentage is not bio available, so for me to get a ten percent bio-available mix, I actually make a 12 percent. It's likened to iced tea, you can make it any strength you like, up to what is called SSKI, super saturated, which is the max the liquid, water, will sustain crystals and salts, ie, meaning no more will dissolve. I use a coffee grinder, the older type, like a grist mill, set on expresso, to grind crystals and salts to make capsules, and likewise I can make it any strength I wish. My intentions are to use MSM as a filler. david lubbock tx > ** > > > Who can guide me as to where to learn how to measure drops vs. milligrams? > After all my searching of the web, I am left still clueless as to how to > know drops to milligrams or powder to milligrams. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 No worries on daily oral DMSO . Stanley MD, developer of DMSO, has taken a teaspoon orally for over 30 years and he is in his late 80's! Check out the articles at his website: www.dmso.org MSM is not the same as DMSO but does have many therapeutic benefits, and may partially metabolize to DMSO. Dr 's book, MSM The Definitive Guide 2002 is informative and has some material on DMSO use. I refer to it often. He has given patients up to 100 grams of MSM per day under supervised medical conditions. I also just added a few new links and files on MSM to the list website. The Miracle of MSM : The Natural Solution for Pain 1999 is also a very good book. Garnet -- Janet R. , MA Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com List owner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Any_Other_Dose_LDN http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO .. > > I just in fact stumbled onto MSM, like a saturday night drunk. > But have been having sensational luck with DMSO, helping iodine get > all over my body, but I am concerned a bit about my odor, and > somewhere I seem to have read DMSO is not good to take internally too > often. > Garnet, the list owner has so kindly and timely pointed out Jeffers > Vet Supply to purchase MSM, and perhaps it does as well as DMSO, > I had a most horrible thrush/yeast/candida problem that has persisted > for at least ten years, script drugs, diflucan etc, have only kept it > hidden. Had I not found iodine, in larger doses, I would most likely > have been buried with it at some time. It was slowly kicking my butt, > in such slow increments, so insideous is yeast. > I had been taking iodine in 200mg doses daily for three weeks, when > depression became a serious problem, I know the stinking routine, so I > load up on anti depressants. But at the some time, I tried a throat > full of DMSO, wahoo, it kicked the depression out the window, just a > teaspoon full, but it was a noticable start. I had also cut back to > 100mgs iodine daily. after a few days, I was thinking if a little will > help, lets get it on, so upped it to a heaping tablespoon, wahoo, to > the moon alice. > I have read, taking fifty mgs of iodine takes about ninety days to > permeate the entire body, so it must be slow getting all over the body. > So my gut feeling is, oral DMSO was helping iodine get to where it is > supposed to be in my body, and I have a strong feeling it was helping > iodine cross my blood brain barrier, as very soon after starting DMSO, > my friends the cobbs and webbs left town, my mental clarity improved > dramatically, so fast in fact, it was a little frightening. I just > knew anything this nice, had a bad side, so at night I counted my feet > to assure myself one foot had not fallen off. nope they did not, there > were no bad sides. Another gut feeling was my body as lagging behind, > finally after two weeks of DMSO, my body arrived yesterday, just to > prove to myself, I went dancing, love to waltz, and with the right > partner, can do some exciting stuff. Never missed a beat, knew I was > strong enough to catch my partner, if she should slip. I do push hard. > My reason in writing this, was to ask, if anyone knew if MSM will work > as well as DMSO, Garnet source, is for pounds. > and I may order, if I receive some positive feedback on MSM. > david lubbock tx > And PS: Jim's scorpion UV flashlight trick is slowly sinking in, the > implications are awesome. Diabetics might use that on their > extremities so they don't rot and decay away. Look out big pharm, > between iodine and UV light, some of you overfed fatcats may have to > go back to work, and learn to pay your way. > > -- Janet R. , MA Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com List owner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Any_Other_Dose_LDN http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Hi Garnet, Just thought i'd add my 2¢ as a Lymie. When I began taking MSM, I had a pretty intense herx. After talking it over with the Lyme group, I learned that MSM makes the cells so much more accessible, that it can amplify the effects of whatever other herbs, supplements one is taking, and sometimes one can decrease some of those. Not a bad thing, just something to watch and perhaps adjust. Starting slowly is a good idea, too, just to find out how everything is going to work. Be well, Léna No worries on daily oral DMSO . Stanley MD, developer of DMSO, has taken a teaspoon orally for over 30 years and he is in his late 80's! Check out the articles at his website: www.dmso.org MSM is not the same as DMSO but does have many therapeutic benefits, and may partially metabolize to DMSO. Dr 's book, MSM The Definitive Guide 2002 is informative and has some material on DMSO use. I refer to it often. He has given patients up to 100 grams of MSM per day under supervised medical conditions. I also just added a few new links and files on MSM to the list website. The Miracle of MSM : The Natural Solution for Pain 1999 is also a very good book. Garnet -- Janet R. , MA Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com List owner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Any_Other_Dose_LDN http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO .. > > I just in fact stumbled onto MSM, like a saturday night drunk. > But have been having sensational luck with DMSO, helping iodine get > all over my body, but I am concerned a bit about my odor, and > somewhere I seem to have read DMSO is not good to take internally too > often. > Garnet, the list owner has so kindly and timely pointed out Jeffers > Vet Supply to purchase MSM, and perhaps it does as well as DMSO, > I had a most horrible thrush/yeast/candida problem that has persisted > for at least ten years, script drugs, diflucan etc, have only kept it > hidden. Had I not found iodine, in larger doses, I would most likely > have been buried with it at some time. It was slowly kicking my butt, > in such slow increments, so insideous is yeast. > I had been taking iodine in 200mg doses daily for three weeks, when > depression became a serious problem, I know the stinking routine, so I > load up on anti depressants. But at the some time, I tried a throat > full of DMSO, wahoo, it kicked the depression out the window, just a > teaspoon full, but it was a noticable start. I had also cut back to > 100mgs iodine daily. after a few days, I was thinking if a little will > help, lets get it on, so upped it to a heaping tablespoon, wahoo, to > the moon alice. > I have read, taking fifty mgs of iodine takes about ninety days to > permeate the entire body, so it must be slow getting all over the body. > So my gut feeling is, oral DMSO was helping iodine get to where it is > supposed to be in my body, and I have a strong feeling it was helping > iodine cross my blood brain barrier, as very soon after starting DMSO, > my friends the cobbs and webbs left town, my mental clarity improved > dramatically, so fast in fact, it was a little frightening. I just > knew anything this nice, had a bad side, so at night I counted my feet > to assure myself one foot had not fallen off. nope they did not, there > were no bad sides. Another gut feeling was my body as lagging behind, > finally after two weeks of DMSO, my body arrived yesterday, just to > prove to myself, I went dancing, love to waltz, and with the right > partner, can do some exciting stuff. Never missed a beat, knew I was > strong enough to catch my partner, if she should slip. I do push hard. > My reason in writing this, was to ask, if anyone knew if MSM will work > as well as DMSO, Garnet source, is for pounds. > and I may order, if I receive some positive feedback on MSM. > david lubbock tx > And PS: Jim's scorpion UV flashlight trick is slowly sinking in, the > implications are awesome. Diabetics might use that on their > extremities so they don't rot and decay away. Look out big pharm, > between iodine and UV light, some of you overfed fatcats may have to > go back to work, and learn to pay your way. > > -- Janet R. , MA Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com List owner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Any_Other_Dose_LDN http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Well, Lena, kiss my buttercup, why do I bother asking everyone questions, I shall now just come straight to you. At Garnets advice, I have writtne to Dr. , as to whether he responds, is another matter, Somehow I imagine an elderly man, son filling his tubes each day, and keeping him from stinking, and life goes on selling DMSO and MSM, of course I am kidding. But that was my question, will it help iodine permeate the body and brain. and I have a yes from across the big pond. So now I am ordering MSM by the pound. thank you a million, david lubbock tx. I have a question in regards to Lyme Disease, and you may not be bothered with that over there, but some where it stuck in my mind, that lyme disease is or could be a pathogen, since iodine is deadly on pathogens, why not use iodine, instead of antibiotics? > Hi Garnet, > Just thought i'd add my 2¢ as a Lymie. When I began taking MSM, I had > a pretty intense herx. After talking it over with the Lyme group, I > learned that MSM makes the cells so much more accessible, that it can > amplify the effects of whatever other herbs, supplements one is > taking, and sometimes one can decrease some of those. Not a bad thing, > just something to watch and perhaps adjust. Starting slowly is a good > idea, too, just to find out how everything is going to work. > > Be well, > Léna > > > No worries on daily oral DMSO . Stanley MD, developer of > DMSO, has taken a teaspoon orally for over 30 years and he is in his > late 80's! > > Check out the articles at his website: www.dmso.org > > MSM is not the same as DMSO but does have many therapeutic benefits, and > may partially metabolize to DMSO. > Dr 's book, MSM The Definitive Guide 2002 is informative and has > some material on DMSO use. I refer to it often. > > He has given patients up to 100 grams of MSM per day under supervised > medical conditions. > > I also just added a few new links and files on MSM to the list website. > > The Miracle of MSM : The Natural Solution for Pain 1999 is also a very > good book. > > Garnet > > -- > > Janet R. , MA > Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com > > List owner > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Any_Other_Dose_LDN > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > . > > > > > > I just in fact stumbled onto MSM, like a saturday night drunk. > > But have been having sensational luck with DMSO, helping iodine get > > all over my body, but I am concerned a bit about my odor, and > > somewhere I seem to have read DMSO is not good to take internally too > > often. > > Garnet, the list owner has so kindly and timely pointed out Jeffers > > Vet Supply to purchase MSM, and perhaps it does as well as DMSO, > > I had a most horrible thrush/yeast/candida problem that has persisted > > for at least ten years, script drugs, diflucan etc, have only kept it > > hidden. Had I not found iodine, in larger doses, I would most likely > > have been buried with it at some time. It was slowly kicking my butt, > > in such slow increments, so insideous is yeast. > > I had been taking iodine in 200mg doses daily for three weeks, when > > depression became a serious problem, I know the stinking routine, > so I > > load up on anti depressants. But at the some time, I tried a throat > > full of DMSO, wahoo, it kicked the depression out the window, just a > > teaspoon full, but it was a noticable start. I had also cut back to > > 100mgs iodine daily. after a few days, I was thinking if a little > will > > help, lets get it on, so upped it to a heaping tablespoon, wahoo, to > > the moon alice. > > I have read, taking fifty mgs of iodine takes about ninety days to > > permeate the entire body, so it must be slow getting all over the > body. > > So my gut feeling is, oral DMSO was helping iodine get to where it is > > supposed to be in my body, and I have a strong feeling it was helping > > iodine cross my blood brain barrier, as very soon after starting > DMSO, > > my friends the cobbs and webbs left town, my mental clarity improved > > dramatically, so fast in fact, it was a little frightening. I just > > knew anything this nice, had a bad side, so at night I counted my > feet > > to assure myself one foot had not fallen off. nope they did not, > there > > were no bad sides. Another gut feeling was my body as lagging behind, > > finally after two weeks of DMSO, my body arrived yesterday, just to > > prove to myself, I went dancing, love to waltz, and with the right > > partner, can do some exciting stuff. Never missed a beat, knew I was > > strong enough to catch my partner, if she should slip. I do push > hard. > > My reason in writing this, was to ask, if anyone knew if MSM will > work > > as well as DMSO, Garnet source, is for pounds. > > and I may order, if I receive some positive feedback on MSM. > > david lubbock tx > > And PS: Jim's scorpion UV flashlight trick is slowly sinking in, the > > implications are awesome. Diabetics might use that on their > > extremities so they don't rot and decay away. Look out big pharm, > > between iodine and UV light, some of you overfed fatcats may have to > > go back to work, and learn to pay your way. > > > > > > -- > Janet R. , MA > Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com > > List owner > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Any_Other_Dose_LDN > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Good thinking! Generally, if one has acute (recently bitten) Lyme, 6-8 weeks of doxycycline will end the Lyme. And heck YES! Lyme is a pathogen with friends (think of Saddam Hussein, the Shi'ia, the Sunnis, and every insurgent, or corrupt underling in the system) HOWEVER, if the Lyme has not been dxed early, and goes chronic, abx are not such a good answer, as they can cause the critters to go into cyst form within minutes, and they can hide, safely impermeable, in that state for from 6 to 20 years. Not only that, when they finally re- emerge, one encysted spirochete can now be FIVE, so a lot of long-term abxed Lymies limp into our groups with awful relapses and are in worse shape than most of us who used alternative protocols. And yes, lots of Lymies use Lugol's as part of their regimen. Lyme is so complicated and its co-infections so varied from person to person that no one remedy will be the answer. Lots of homework, courage, and, above all, patience, is required. Not sure what or where your buttercup is but I love the expression! Be well, Léna Well, Lena, kiss my buttercup, why do I bother asking everyone questions, I shall now just come straight to you. At Garnets advice, I have writtne to Dr. , as to whether he responds, is another matter, Somehow I imagine an elderly man, son filling his tubes each day, and keeping him from stinking, and life goes on selling DMSO and MSM, of course I am kidding. But that was my question, will it help iodine permeate the body and brain. and I have a yes from across the big pond. So now I am ordering MSM by the pound. thank you a million, david lubbock tx. I have a question in regards to Lyme Disease, and you may not be bothered with that over there, but some where it stuck in my mind, that lyme disease is or could be a pathogen, since iodine is deadly on pathogens, why not use iodine, instead of antibiotics? On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Guyot Léna wrote: > Hi Garnet, > Just thought i'd add my 2¢ as a Lymie. When I began taking MSM, I had > a pretty intense herx. After talking it over with the Lyme group, I > learned that MSM makes the cells so much more accessible, that it can > amplify the effects of whatever other herbs, supplements one is > taking, and sometimes one can decrease some of those. Not a bad thing, > just something to watch and perhaps adjust. Starting slowly is a good > idea, too, just to find out how everything is going to work. > > Be well, > Léna > > > No worries on daily oral DMSO . Stanley MD, developer of > DMSO, has taken a teaspoon orally for over 30 years and he is in his > late 80's! > > Check out the articles at his website: www.dmso.org > > MSM is not the same as DMSO but does have many therapeutic benefits, and > may partially metabolize to DMSO. > Dr 's book, MSM The Definitive Guide 2002 is informative and has > some material on DMSO use. I refer to it often. > > He has given patients up to 100 grams of MSM per day under supervised > medical conditions. > > I also just added a few new links and files on MSM to the list website. > > The Miracle of MSM : The Natural Solution for Pain 1999 is also a very > good book. > > Garnet > > -- > > Janet R. , MA > Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com > > List owner > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Any_Other_Dose_LDN > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > . > > > > > > I just in fact stumbled onto MSM, like a saturday night drunk. > > But have been having sensational luck with DMSO, helping iodine get > > all over my body, but I am concerned a bit about my odor, and > > somewhere I seem to have read DMSO is not good to take internally too > > often. > > Garnet, the list owner has so kindly and timely pointed out Jeffers > > Vet Supply to purchase MSM, and perhaps it does as well as DMSO, > > I had a most horrible thrush/yeast/candida problem that has persisted > > for at least ten years, script drugs, diflucan etc, have only kept it > > hidden. Had I not found iodine, in larger doses, I would most likely > > have been buried with it at some time. It was slowly kicking my butt, > > in such slow increments, so insideous is yeast. > > I had been taking iodine in 200mg doses daily for three weeks, when > > depression became a serious problem, I know the stinking routine, > so I > > load up on anti depressants. But at the some time, I tried a throat > > full of DMSO, wahoo, it kicked the depression out the window, just a > > teaspoon full, but it was a noticable start. I had also cut back to > > 100mgs iodine daily. after a few days, I was thinking if a little > will > > help, lets get it on, so upped it to a heaping tablespoon, wahoo, to > > the moon alice. > > I have read, taking fifty mgs of iodine takes about ninety days to > > permeate the entire body, so it must be slow getting all over the > body. > > So my gut feeling is, oral DMSO was helping iodine get to where it is > > supposed to be in my body, and I have a strong feeling it was helping > > iodine cross my blood brain barrier, as very soon after starting > DMSO, > > my friends the cobbs and webbs left town, my mental clarity improved > > dramatically, so fast in fact, it was a little frightening. I just > > knew anything this nice, had a bad side, so at night I counted my > feet > > to assure myself one foot had not fallen off. nope they did not, > there > > were no bad sides. Another gut feeling was my body as lagging behind, > > finally after two weeks of DMSO, my body arrived yesterday, just to > > prove to myself, I went dancing, love to waltz, and with the right > > partner, can do some exciting stuff. Never missed a beat, knew I was > > strong enough to catch my partner, if she should slip. I do push > hard. > > My reason in writing this, was to ask, if anyone knew if MSM will > work > > as well as DMSO, Garnet source, is for pounds. > > and I may order, if I receive some positive feedback on MSM. > > david lubbock tx > > And PS: Jim's scorpion UV flashlight trick is slowly sinking in, the > > implications are awesome. Diabetics might use that on their > > extremities so they don't rot and decay away. Look out big pharm, > > between iodine and UV light, some of you overfed fatcats may have to > > go back to work, and learn to pay your way. > > > > > > -- > Janet R. , MA > Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com > > List owner > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Any_Other_Dose_LDN > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Hey dAVId, just a note or two.... If you have the resources, once you become accustomed to using MSM, many people buy it in bulk from msm-msm.com. They have many pages of information including the brands available in the US and the differences. Good people to work with. I'm not at all certain your oral use of DMSO caused iodine to do what you think. It's been my experience that DMSO itself is a mood enhancer. And, I read it somewhere but don't care enough to dig for the source. Of course, I agree, iodine will likely save you from nearly anything and DMSO will help it do that. Saralou > > > So now I am ordering MSM by the pound. thank you a million, david lubbock > tx. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 From what I have read about Lyme's, it was man made as a type of bio-weapon. It is literally supposed to be a weaponized ailment spread by mosquitoes and ticks. Seems that if this is true, it was a success. Supposedly made in the USA at Plum Island; Not far across the water from Lyme, Connecticutt, and not the first such thing made in the USA either. Everything I have read also says that Doxycycline is good procedure in early stages and should be pursued aggressively. Wonder if a diluted daily dose of oral DMSO would help any? Most pathogens dislike Oxygen it seems. (Oh, Doxy is also supposed to be a good treatment for Gulf War Syndrome, the type that was seen after the first Gulf War, Op Desert Storm. I keep some in our home first aid kit.) Gerry > Good thinking! Generally, if one has acute (recently bitten) Lyme, 6-8 > weeks of doxycycline will end the Lyme. And heck YES! Lyme is a > pathogen with friends (think of Saddam Hussein, the Shi'ia, the > Sunnis, and every insurgent, or corrupt underling in the system) > HOWEVER, if the Lyme has not been dxed early, and goes chronic, abx > are not such a good answer, as they can cause the critters to go into > cyst form within minutes, and they can hide, safely impermeable, in > that state for from 6 to 20 years. Not only that, when they finally re- > emerge, one encysted spirochete can now be FIVE, so a lot of long-term > abxed Lymies limp into our groups with awful relapses and are in worse > shape than most of us who used alternative protocols. And yes, lots of > Lymies use Lugol's as part of their regimen. Lyme is so complicated > and its co-infections so varied from person to person that no one > remedy will be the answer. Lots of homework, courage, and, above all, > patience, is required. > > Not sure what or where your buttercup is but I love the expression! > Be well, > Léna > > > Well, Lena, kiss my buttercup, why do I bother asking everyone > questions, I > shall now just come straight to you. > At Garnets advice, I have writtne to Dr. , as to whether he > responds, > is another matter, Somehow I imagine an elderly man, son filling his > tubes > each day, and keeping him from stinking, and life goes on selling DMSO > and > MSM, of course I am kidding. But that was my question, will it help > iodine > permeate the body and brain. and I have a yes from across the big pond. > So now I am ordering MSM by the pound. thank you a million, david > lubbock > tx. > I have a question in regards to Lyme Disease, and you may not be > bothered > with that over there, but some where it stuck in my mind, that lyme > disease > is or could be a pathogen, since iodine is deadly on pathogens, why > not use > iodine, instead of antibiotics? > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Guyot Léna > wrote: > > > Hi Garnet, > > Just thought i'd add my 2¢ as a Lymie. When I began taking MSM, I had > > a pretty intense herx. After talking it over with the Lyme group, I > > learned that MSM makes the cells so much more accessible, that it can > > amplify the effects of whatever other herbs, supplements one is > > taking, and sometimes one can decrease some of those. Not a bad > thing, > > just something to watch and perhaps adjust. Starting slowly is a good > > idea, too, just to find out how everything is going to work. > > > > Be well, > > Léna > > > > > > No worries on daily oral DMSO . Stanley MD, developer of > > DMSO, has taken a teaspoon orally for over 30 years and he is in his > > late 80's! > > > > Check out the articles at his website: www.dmso.org > > > > MSM is not the same as DMSO but does have many therapeutic > benefits, and > > may partially metabolize to DMSO. > > Dr 's book, MSM The Definitive Guide 2002 is informative and has > > some material on DMSO use. I refer to it often. > > > > He has given patients up to 100 grams of MSM per day under supervised > > medical conditions. > > > > I also just added a few new links and files on MSM to the list > website. > > > > The Miracle of MSM : The Natural Solution for Pain 1999 is also a > very > > good book. > > > > Garnet > > > > -- > > > > Janet R. , MA > > Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com > > > > List owner > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Any_Other_Dose_LDN > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > I just in fact stumbled onto MSM, like a saturday night drunk. > > > But have been having sensational luck with DMSO, helping iodine get > > > all over my body, but I am concerned a bit about my odor, and > > > somewhere I seem to have read DMSO is not good to take internally > too > > > often. > > > Garnet, the list owner has so kindly and timely pointed out Jeffers > > > Vet Supply to purchase MSM, and perhaps it does as well as DMSO, > > > I had a most horrible thrush/yeast/candida problem that has > persisted > > > for at least ten years, script drugs, diflucan etc, have only > kept it > > > hidden. Had I not found iodine, in larger doses, I would most > likely > > > have been buried with it at some time. It was slowly kicking my > butt, > > > in such slow increments, so insideous is yeast. > > > I had been taking iodine in 200mg doses daily for three weeks, when > > > depression became a serious problem, I know the stinking routine, > > so I > > > load up on anti depressants. But at the some time, I tried a throat > > > full of DMSO, wahoo, it kicked the depression out the window, > just a > > > teaspoon full, but it was a noticable start. I had also cut back to > > > 100mgs iodine daily. after a few days, I was thinking if a little > > will > > > help, lets get it on, so upped it to a heaping tablespoon, wahoo, > to > > > the moon alice. > > > I have read, taking fifty mgs of iodine takes about ninety days to > > > permeate the entire body, so it must be slow getting all over the > > body. > > > So my gut feeling is, oral DMSO was helping iodine get to where > it is > > > supposed to be in my body, and I have a strong feeling it was > helping > > > iodine cross my blood brain barrier, as very soon after starting > > DMSO, > > > my friends the cobbs and webbs left town, my mental clarity > improved > > > dramatically, so fast in fact, it was a little frightening. I just > > > knew anything this nice, had a bad side, so at night I counted my > > feet > > > to assure myself one foot had not fallen off. nope they did not, > > there > > > were no bad sides. Another gut feeling was my body as lagging > behind, > > > finally after two weeks of DMSO, my body arrived yesterday, just to > > > prove to myself, I went dancing, love to waltz, and with the right > > > partner, can do some exciting stuff. Never missed a beat, knew I > was > > > strong enough to catch my partner, if she should slip. I do push > > hard. > > > My reason in writing this, was to ask, if anyone knew if MSM will > > work > > > as well as DMSO, Garnet source, is for pounds. > > > and I may order, if I receive some positive feedback on MSM. > > > david lubbock tx > > > And PS: Jim's scorpion UV flashlight trick is slowly sinking in, > the > > > implications are awesome. Diabetics might use that on their > > > extremities so they don't rot and decay away. Look out big pharm, > > > between iodine and UV light, some of you overfed fatcats may have > to > > > go back to work, and learn to pay your way. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Janet R. , MA > > Blog: http://garnetshealthnotes.blogspot.com > > > > List owner > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_Pets > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Any_Other_Dose_LDN > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 I was fifteen years in the NBC corp, special weapons, an agreement Nixon made with the Russians some forty years ago, was to destroy all bio weapons. However every rule creates loopholes, our developmental staging may have increased. But I am of course out of the loop, so I don't know, and noone in my circle is going to talk as implied fears are well respected. Our greatest concern, was, " what if it mutates to something we cannot control " and returns to our doorstep. Which I think lyme seems to have the ability to do. Lyme seems to have the capabilities that were sought in a bio agent. david lubbock tx. . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 You are right, Gerry. Here's more info on the Lyme-Plum Is. link = http://www.rense.com/general67/plumislandlyme.htm From what I have read about Lyme's, it was man made as a type of > bio-weapon. It is literally supposed to be a weaponized ailment spread > by mosquitoes and ticks. Seems that if this is true, it was a success. > Supposedly made in the USA at Plum Island; Not far across the water > from Lyme, Connecticutt, and not the first such thing made in the USA > either. Everything I have read also says that Doxycycline is good > procedure in early stages and should be pursued aggressively. Wonder if > a diluted daily dose of oral DMSO would help any? Most pathogens > dislike Oxygen it seems. (Oh, Doxy is also supposed to be a good > treatment for Gulf War Syndrome, the type that was seen after the first > Gulf War, Op Desert Storm. I keep some in our home first aid kit.) > > Gerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 where can doxycycline be gotten? bob Re: DMSO VS MSM > You are right, Gerry. Here's more info on the Lyme-Plum Is. link = > http://www.rense.com/general67/plumislandlyme.htm > > > From what I have read about Lyme's, it was man made as a type of >> bio-weapon. It is literally supposed to be a weaponized ailment spread >> by mosquitoes and ticks. Seems that if this is true, it was a success. >> Supposedly made in the USA at Plum Island; Not far across the water >> from Lyme, Connecticutt, and not the first such thing made in the USA >> either. Everything I have read also says that Doxycycline is good >> procedure in early stages and should be pursued aggressively. Wonder if >> a diluted daily dose of oral DMSO would help any? Most pathogens >> dislike Oxygen it seems. (Oh, Doxy is also supposed to be a good >> treatment for Gulf War Syndrome, the type that was seen after the first >> Gulf War, Op Desert Storm. I keep some in our home first aid kit.) >> >> Gerry >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Go here, and take yr pick = http://tinyurl.com/69v7a9y *Smitty * > ** > > > where can doxycycline be gotten? bob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 http://www.unitedpharmacies.com/customer/search.php?substring=doxy United pharmacy has it, for about forty cents per hundred mg pill david lubbock tx. plus 7.50 shipping, but don't get complacent about your gut bacteria, doxy strips it all out. and makes a bed for yeast/candida. > ** > > > Go here, and take yr pick = > http://tinyurl.com/69v7a9y > > *Smitty > * > > > > ** > > > > > > > where can doxycycline be gotten? bob > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 alldaychemist.com It's an off-shore site (India) Reputable. Quality generics. Cheap. shipping a bit high and a little slow, but these folks are good to deal with. When ordering, there's a page for doc. info. if you skip it, they fill the order anyway.(at least the times I've dealt with them.) If recently bitten, doxy is a good idea: 6-8 weeks of it will probably end Lyme. If you've had Lyme for a long time (chronic) this is not the best way to go. Check out: lymestrategies or, Lyme_and_Rife Excellent source of great alternative protocols, as well as good off- topic info. People are getting well there.(I'm one of them) Be well, Léna where can doxycycline be gotten? bob Re: DMSO VS MSM > You are right, Gerry. Here's more info on the Lyme-Plum Is. link = > http://www.rense.com/general67/plumislandlyme.htm > > > From what I have read about Lyme's, it was man made as a type of >> bio-weapon. It is literally supposed to be a weaponized ailment spread >> by mosquitoes and ticks. Seems that if this is true, it was a success. >> Supposedly made in the USA at Plum Island; Not far across the water >> from Lyme, Connecticutt, and not the first such thing made in the USA >> either. Everything I have read also says that Doxycycline is good >> procedure in early stages and should be pursued aggressively. Wonder if >> a diluted daily dose of oral DMSO would help any? Most pathogens >> dislike Oxygen it seems. (Oh, Doxy is also supposed to be a good >> treatment for Gulf War Syndrome, the type that was seen after the first >> Gulf War, Op Desert Storm. I keep some in our home first aid kit.) >> >> Gerry >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 You can order it at: www.alldaychemist.com Simply leave the Rx part blank. You must have a Visa card to do business with ADC.com. Their system will no longer process Master Card sales, or wouldn't last time I ordered. Gerry > > where can doxycycline be gotten? bob > > Re: DMSO VS MSM > > > You are right, Gerry. Here's more info on the Lyme-Plum Is. link = > > http://www.rense.com/general67/plumislandlyme.htm > > > > > > From what I have read about Lyme's, it was man made as a type of > >> bio-weapon. It is literally supposed to be a weaponized ailment spread > >> by mosquitoes and ticks. Seems that if this is true, it was a success. > >> Supposedly made in the USA at Plum Island; Not far across the water > >> from Lyme, Connecticutt, and not the first such thing made in the USA > >> either. Everything I have read also says that Doxycycline is good > >> procedure in early stages and should be pursued aggressively. Wonder if > >> a diluted daily dose of oral DMSO would help any? Most pathogens > >> dislike Oxygen it seems. (Oh, Doxy is also supposed to be a good > >> treatment for Gulf War Syndrome, the type that was seen after the first > >> Gulf War, Op Desert Storm. I keep some in our home first aid kit.) > >> > >> Gerry > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 You are right, . It is imperative to take mega doses of probiotics after any round of any type of antibiotic. Maybe not a bad idea to be taking it while taking the antibiotic. No antibiotic should be taken for more than a very short time. > http://www.unitedpharmacies.com/customer/search.php?substring=doxy > United pharmacy has it, for about forty cents per hundred mg pill > david lubbock tx. plus 7.50 shipping, but don't get complacent about your > gut bacteria, doxy strips it all out. > and makes a bed for yeast/candida. > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Smitty wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Go here, and take yr pick = >> http://tinyurl.com/69v7a9y >> >> *Smitty >> * >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Bob Kenyon wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> where can doxycycline be gotten? bob >>> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 You can grow milk or water or coconut Kefir and Kombucha as a daily source of inexpensive probiotics and other beneficial substances. I will attach a list of species that may be found. I also buy local high count yogurt, 90 Billion CFU per serving. There are many good products on the market but they are all very pricey. Making your own fermented foods is a cheap way out of that cycle. Garnet > > You are right, . It is imperative to take mega doses of probiotics > after any round of any type of antibiotic. Maybe not a bad idea to be > taking it while taking the antibiotic. No antibiotic should be taken > for more than a very short time. > > > > http://www.unitedpharmacies.com/customer/search.php?substring=doxy > > United pharmacy has it, for about forty cents per hundred mg pill > > david lubbock tx. plus 7.50 shipping, but don't get complacent about > your > > gut bacteria, doxy strips it all out. > > and makes a bed for yeast/candida. > > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Smitty<papadoo1@... > <mailto:papadoo1%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > >> ** > >> > >> > >> Go here, and take yr pick = > >> http://tinyurl.com/69v7a9y > >> > >> *Smitty > >> * > >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Bob Kenyon<lodgpole@... > <mailto:lodgpole%40prodigy.net>> wrote: > >> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> where can doxycycline be gotten? bob > >>> > >>> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Sound advice Garnet, I am so happy with my milk Kefir, I put it on old cotton/linen tobacco pouch, string tied at the top. Plop it from old glass to new glass, easy as eating blackberry pie. I did lose my kambucka because of neglect. and may have to obtain more, with almost every meal, I crave a large bowl of cucumbers and a large bowl of greens, all soaked heavily in vinegar. My Kefir has been reaching temps of 80 degree's and could be the link to my loosey goosey. It is very active mess most of the day. Garnet, thanks a million for your list, and your heads up on things. I am fired up on MSM, the more I read the more excited I become as to it's healthful benefits. I read it is a great anti yeast, dewormer, detoxer. and of course the precursor is DMSO. david lubbock tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Your welcome . I think you are right about MSM, it has great potential and is so cheap and easy to do. It has really helped my hip when I am consistent about taking 1 T a day. I also take 2 T of organic Aloe Vera with my probiotics, water kefir and Kombucha. BTW I could trade you a Kombucha Scoby for some of your Kefir grains if you think they would survived being mailed. I am making water Kefir right now but think I might like to switch to milk. I know I can get raw milk in my area. Garnet > > Sound advice Garnet, I am so happy with my milk Kefir, I put it on old > cotton/linen tobacco pouch, string tied at the top. Plop it from old glass > to new glass, easy as eating blackberry pie. I did lose my kambucka > because > of neglect. and may have to obtain more, with almost every meal, I crave a > large bowl of cucumbers and a large bowl of greens, all soaked heavily in > vinegar. My Kefir has been reaching temps of 80 degree's and could be the > link to my loosey goosey. It is very active mess most of the day. > Garnet, thanks a million for your list, and your heads up on things. I am > fired up on MSM, the more I read the more excited I become as to it's > healthful benefits. I read it is a great anti yeast, dewormer, > detoxer. and > of course the precursor is DMSO. david lubbock tx > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I've used them too. Excellent generics. Pricing is Great, so offsets the extra shipping. Had to sign for my pkg, so it's worth every penny to assure delivery. --tls From: Guyot Léna Subject: Re: DMSO VS MSM alldaychemist.com It's an off-shore site (India) Reputable. Quality generics. Cheap. shipping a bit high and a little slow, but these folks are good to deal with. When ordering, there's a page for doc. info. if you skip it, they fill the order anyway.(at least the times I've dealt with them.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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