Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 I am curious about a product I found online called fruit extracts which are made up solely of alcohol/glycerin plus fruit. I was told this was " self-preserving " and needed no additional preservative and could be used in a wide variety of products. I would feel more comfortable if I saw a preservative in there, am I wrong? If it is self preserving, why? Does the alcohol keep beasties at bay and if so, what kind of alcohol(s) would be adequate and in what percentage? Wouldn't this be drying? (alcohol) Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 >I am curious about a product I found online called fruit extracts which are made up solely of alcohol/glycerin plus fruit. I was told this was " self-preserving " and needed no additional preservative This is possible. Alcoholic fruit extracts can be self preserving. >and could be used in a wide variety of products. I feel confident that self-preserving friut extracts can be used in many different products. If those products include water, you will need a preservative system. >I would feel more comfortable if I saw a preservative in there, am I wrong? I've drunk a lot of different alcoholic fruit extracts that didn't contain preservatives. >If it is self preserving, why? I'm guessing, but I think that the ethyl alcohol disrupts the cell wall of the microorganism. > Does the alcohol keep beasties at bay Yes > and if so, what kind of alcohol(s) would be adequate Ethyl alcohol and isopropyl alcohol have antimicrobial properties. >and in what percentage? Ethyl alcohol prevents the growth of microorganisms. I have no idea what the level of ethyl alcohol would make a product self preserving. I think a lot would be based on the formula and how it was processed. But here's something from a FDA webpage. " Cosmetics need not be sterile, however, they must not be contaminated with microorganisms which may be pathogenic, and the density of non-pathogenic microorganisms should be low. In addition, cosmetics should remain in this condition when used by consumers. Some cosmetics, i.e., those containing more than about 10% ethanol, propylene glycol, glycerol, etc., and cosmetics in self-pressurized containers, are usually self-preserving and are not likely to become contaminated with microorganisms. " http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-hdb3.html Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Thank you, I was afraid of introducting something to a product by adding it but I can see I only have to worry about what I do with it once I get it and then adequately preserve the product as a whole if needed. So I could make a salt & oil scrub with a fruit extract, a little FO and then preserve it with Phenonip (would .5% of the total product be adequate?) The preservative would only be necessary to protect the product from wet hands and a moist bathroom environment, correct? If this product was in a squeeze out tube (say I could emulsify it to a thickness that would not run out - which I've never tried and am not sure how to go about doing, but..) would it still need a preservative in that case? > [Original Message] > > To: Logan ; Cosmeticinfo <Cosmeticinfo > > Date: 10/5/2003 5:51:03 AM > Subject: Re: Fruit Extracts > > > > >I am curious about a product I found online called fruit extracts which are made up solely of alcohol/glycerin plus fruit. I was told this was " self-preserving " and needed no additional preservative > > This is possible. Alcoholic fruit extracts can be self preserving. > > >and could be used in a wide variety of products. > > I feel confident that self-preserving friut extracts can be used in > many different products. If those products include water, you will > need a preservative system. > > >I would feel more comfortable if I saw a preservative in there, am I wrong? > > I've drunk a lot of different alcoholic fruit extracts that didn't > contain preservatives. > > >If it is self preserving, why? > > I'm guessing, but I think that the ethyl alcohol disrupts the cell wall > of the microorganism. > > > Does the alcohol keep beasties at bay > > Yes > > > and if so, what kind of alcohol(s) would be adequate > > Ethyl alcohol and isopropyl alcohol have antimicrobial properties. > > >and in what percentage? > > Ethyl alcohol prevents the growth of microorganisms. I have no idea > what the level of ethyl alcohol would make a product self preserving. > I think a lot would be based on the formula and how it was processed. > But here's something from a FDA webpage. > > " Cosmetics need not be sterile, however, they must not be contaminated > with microorganisms which may be pathogenic, and the density of > non-pathogenic microorganisms should be low. In addition, cosmetics > should remain in this condition when used by consumers. Some cosmetics, > i.e., those containing more than about 10% ethanol, propylene glycol, > glycerol, etc., and cosmetics in self-pressurized containers, are > usually self-preserving and are not likely to become contaminated with > microorganisms. " > http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-hdb3.html > > Maurice > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Maurice O. Hevey > Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. > http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com > ------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 >Thank you, I was afraid of introducting something to a product by adding it >but I can see I only have to worry about what I do with it once I get it >and then adequately preserve the product as a whole if needed. >So I could >make a salt & oil scrub with a fruit extract, a little FO and then preserve >it with Phenonip (would .5% of the total product be adequate?) Normally I would say yes. Is this alcoholic fruit extract clear? What are benefits of using a alcoholic fruit extract? Is the alcoholic fruit extract soluble in your oils? If your scrub contains no water, 0.3% Phenonip would be fine. >The >preservative would only be necessary to protect the product from wet hands >and a moist bathroom environment, correct? That is correct. >If this product was in a squeeze out tube (say I could emulsify it to a >thickness that would not run out - which I've never tried and am not sure >how to go about doing, but..) would it still need a preservative in that >case? Packaging your scrub recipe/formula in a tube will go a long way in reducing the potential for contamination. Packaging just about any product in a tube is an excellent way to prevent product contamination. Unfortunately, most homecrafters don't have access to a tube sealer. Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 > Packaging your scrub recipe/formula in a tube will go a long way in > reducing the potential for contamination. Packaging just about any > product in a tube is an excellent way to prevent product contamination. > > > Unfortunately, most homecrafters don't have access to a tube sealer. > > Maurice Maurice, What I have done is put my scrubs into a Malibu Tube. Is it easy? Nope..not at all. However, the chance of water getting into the tube is a lot less than in a jar. Also, with my scrubs, I use the max. preservative at 1%. I prefer to be safe, than nervous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Maurice asks: Is this alcoholic fruit extract clear? What are benefits of using a alcoholic fruit extract? Is the alcoholic fruit extract soluble in your oils? Me: I don't know if it's clear or not. I saw it online and it peaked my interest but I haven't yet tried it. Thus I don't know if it would be soluble or not. Most bath salts need to be stirred before being used, don't they? Oh, I guess that would only be if they are on the oily side and not the dry ones. Regarding the benefits, actually I was just thinking it would be more of a " customer draw " than anything else (bath salts with papaya extract.... sounds cool). But since safety is a #1 factor I came here first. Is a tube sealer real expensive as well as bulky? Hey, that would be some market if someone created a home use tube sealer as well as provided the tubes and some kind of cleanable easy to dispense tool. Maybe someone here is capable of that. In the meantime, I'll surf the web just to see if I can discover something about them (I'm not looking to be the one to make these). Thanks again. > [Original Message] > > > >Thank you, I was afraid of introducting something to a product by adding it > >but I can see I only have to worry about what I do with it once I get it > >and then adequately preserve the product as a whole if needed. > > >So I could > >make a salt & oil scrub with a fruit extract, a little FO and then preserve > >it with Phenonip (would .5% of the total product be adequate?) > > Normally I would say yes. Is this alcoholic fruit extract clear? What > are benefits of using a alcoholic fruit extract? Is the alcoholic > fruit extract soluble in your oils? > > If your scrub contains no water, 0.3% Phenonip would be fine. > > >The > >preservative would only be necessary to protect the product from wet hands > >and a moist bathroom environment, correct? > > That is correct. > > >If this product was in a squeeze out tube (say I could emulsify it to a > >thickness that would not run out - which I've never tried and am not sure > >how to go about doing, but..) would it still need a preservative in that > >case? > > Packaging your scrub recipe/formula in a tube will go a long way in > reducing the potential for contamination. Packaging just about any > product in a tube is an excellent way to prevent product contamination. > > > Unfortunately, most homecrafters don't have access to a tube sealer. > > Maurice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 maybe you could use a lotion bottle, the kind that look like this... http://www.sks-bottle.com/340c/fin109.html that's a good idea! this would work! kiwana > > Packaging your scrub recipe/formula in a tube will go a long way in > reducing the potential for contamination. Packaging just about any > product in a tube is an excellent way to prevent product contamination. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 i just found those malibu tubes. looks interesting! how do you and your customers like them?? kiwana > > Maurice, > > What I have done is put my scrubs into a Malibu Tube. Is it easy? > Nope..not at all. However, the chance of water getting into the tube > is a lot less than in a jar. Also, with my scrubs, I use the max. > preservative at 1%. I prefer to be safe, than nervous. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Well, I hate filling them lol! But it's better than having people stick their fingers in the jar and scoop up the scrub with their wet hands in the shower. I have them in jars as well (only because that's how my wholesaler wants it) but all my private sales I use malibu tubes. I just use a cookie press and squirt it right into the tube. I use the 6oz Malibu tubes and when full they fill up to 7.5oz Net Wt. I calculate my cost according the the Net weight since that is how I calculate my recipe. Di > i just found those malibu tubes. looks interesting! how do you and > your customers like them?? > > kiwana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Hmm, I have a ton of malibu tubes. My biggest problem with them is getting the label shape - any suggestions? Re: Fruit Extracts > Packaging your scrub recipe/formula in a tube will go a long way in > reducing the potential for contamination. Packaging just about any > product in a tube is an excellent way to prevent product contamination. > > > Unfortunately, most homecrafters don't have access to a tube sealer. > > Maurice Maurice, What I have done is put my scrubs into a Malibu Tube. Is it easy? Nope..not at all. However, the chance of water getting into the tube is a lot less than in a jar. Also, with my scrubs, I use the max. preservative at 1%. I prefer to be safe, than nervous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 ...these work perfectly on my 6oz Malibu Tubes. http://www.planetlabel.com/cgi/search.cgi? user_id=30306 & template=laser3.shtml & database=planetlabel.txt & 0_option= 1 & 0=LT9775-JHG > Hmm, I have a ton of malibu tubes. My biggest problem with them is getting the label shape - any suggestions? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 where did yall order them from?? also, how hard is it to get them in 8 oz size?? kiwana > Hmm, I have a ton of malibu tubes. My biggest problem with them is getting the label shape - any suggestions? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Hi , Isopropyl Alcohol is effective against microorganisms. Keeping a spray bottle of 70% isopropyl alcohol inside the sterile field hood is common practise in most IV pharmacies. This is used to spritz off vials and anything else that might be considered contaminated when compounding sterile preps like IV's, eye drops, etc. Straight alcohol out of the bottle is typically used to clean the counter surface inside the hood. PS: The " hood " is a laminar or vertical flow hood, a standing device designed to filter the air and keep surfaces as sterile as possible when making IV's. This isn't slang referring to the neighborhood in which they are prepared ) HTH, , still an RPh on occasion Hilton Blue Ridge Gypsy Studio www.blueridgegypsy.com www.lovemydog.net www.horsescents.com www.littlebiddybaby.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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