Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 >I would advise against using it >as there are reports of antibiotic resistant bacteria >caused by triclosan. Can you provide a link to one or more of these reports? Here are some other links that deal with this subject: Joint Statement - The Soap and Detergent Association and The Cosmetic, Toiletry, and Fragrance Association Proper Perspective Needed on Antibacterial Studies http://www.ctfa.org/viewpage.cfm?id=1607 Unnecessary Antibiotic Prescriptions, Not Antibacterial Soaps Are Real Cause of Bacterial Resistance, say CTFA and SDA Consumers Need Antibacterial Products to Fight Disease-Causing Germs http://www.ctfa.org/viewpage.cfm?id=1084 Discussion by American Medical Association -- a Boon to Bacteria, a Bust for Consumers, CTFA / SDA Say http://www.ctfa.org/viewpage.cfm?id=1057 CTFA Position Statement on Personal Care Products Efficacy, Proper Use and Antibiotic Resistance -- June, 1, 2000 http://www.ctfa.org/viewpage.cfm?id=1056 Bacterial Resistance and Antibacterial Personal Care Products: No Real-Life Link Demonstrated http://www.germsmart.com/html/factbact.html Commonly Asked Questions and Answers http://www.germsmart.com/html/factq_a.html -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 , I think you misunderstood my request to " provide a link to one or more of these reports " as a challenge. It wasn't. I jus don't like people making claims without some substantiation. Is that to much to ask? >In looking at some of the references you gave in favor >of the use of triclosan It's obvious that you did not read these links. The links that I provided were provided to add perspective, not to support the use of triclosan. I think you may have been reading between the lines. To save bandwidth, I just posted the links. To prove a point, I will now post the links again along with the text. If you look closely, I have captilized the word TRICLOSAN for emphasis. ----------------------- Proper Perspective Needed on Antibacterial Studies http://www.ctfa.org/viewpage.cfm?id=1607 October 23, 2002 Contact: Irene Malbin/CTFA 202/331-1770 Sansoni/SDA 202/347-2900 Joint Statement – The Soap and Detergent Association and The Cosmetic, Toiletry, and Fragrance Association Proper Perspective Needed on Antibacterial Studies Antibacterial Hand Soaps, When Properly Used, are Effective at Reducing the Risk of Infection WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Soap and Detergent Association and The Cosmetic, Toiletry, and Fragrance Association strongly caution against drawing broad conclusions from a study addressing the use of an antibacterial soap. This study, “Short and Long-term Effects of Handwashing with Antibacterial or Plain Soap in the Community,” is being presented at the Infectious Diseases Society of America Conference in Chicago this week. “While we’ve only had the opportunity to review a brief abstract on this research, the study apparently evaluated overall skin bacteria, and did not examine the differences in effectiveness of an antibacterial product compared to plain soap on transient, or acquired, bacteria. The data appear to show the use of an antibacterial hand soap does not affect the overall normal levels of bacteria found on the hands. “In fact, this is positive information, since the primary role of antibacterial hand soaps is to kill the transient bacteria that are acquired and which may be transferred following such tasks as preparing food, changing diapers, caring for a sick person, etc., and not to affect or eliminate normal skin bacteria. “Antibacterial hand soaps, when properly used, are effective at reducing the risk of infection by killing or controlling the growth of harmful transient microorganisms on the skin, as evidenced in their broad use in healthcare. “The use of antibacterial products has, and continues to be a part of recommended hygiene practices in homes, workplaces, schools and healthcare settings.” ----------------------- Unnecessary Antibiotic Prescriptions, Not Antibacterial Soaps Are Real Cause of Bacterial Resistance, say CTFA and SDA Consumers Need Antibacterial Products to Fight Disease-Causing Germs http://www.ctfa.org/viewpage.cfm?id=1084 This is a joint statement of CTFA and the Soap and Detergent Association (SDA) Unnecessary Antibiotic Prescriptions, Not Antibacterial Soaps Are Real Cause of Bacterial Resistance, say CTFA and SDA Consumers Need Antibacterial Products to Fight Disease-Causing Germs FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 27, 2000 PR 00-11 Contact: Irene Malbin Janet Donohue WASHINGTON, D.C. — In their fight to protect themselves from sickness and disease, consumers should continue to use antibacterial personal-care products in the home with confidence, the Cosmetic, Toiletry, and Fragrance Association (CTFA) and the Soap and Detergent Association (SDA) said today. The recommendation comes in response to questions raised by Dr. Stuart Levy and repeated in the media seeking to dissuade consumers from using these important defenses against disease-causing germs. Antibacterial personal care/cleaning products, depending on their formulation and application, kill or inhibit the growth of bacteria that cause skin infections, intestinal illnesses or other commonly transmitted diseases. These include potentially fatal illnesses caused by bacteria such as Salmonella and E.coli. “Recent media stories have unnecessarily confused consumers about antibacterial soaps and washes,” said Ed Kavanaugh, President of CTFA, the national trade association representing the cosmetic, toiletry and fragrance industry. “Antibacterial products do not cause bacterial resistance. They kill germs, thus breaking the circle of infection.” Dr. Gerba, Professor of Environmental Microbiology at the University of Arizona and a world-renowned expert on bacteria, agreed. “The simplest defense against disease is prevention, and the first defense is always good hygiene,” Dr. Gerba said. “Antimicrobial products have been shown to be an essential part of good hygiene.” Experts say the real culprit is the over-prescription and misuse of antibiotics. According to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, doctors write 50 million unnecessary prescriptions for antibiotics each year. It is this over-prescription of drugs -- and their misuse by patients -- that are the key reasons for the emergence of antibiotic resistance, experts say. “The tangible solution to this problem of antibiotic resistance is prudent use of therapeutic antibiotics,” said Ernie Rosenberg, President of SDA. “That’s what doctors should be focusing on.” The CTFA and SDA, meanwhile, remain committed to researching the issue. “Because our industry regards all consumer health questions as important, the manufacturers of antibacterial products are conducting additional research to further explore this issue,” Kavanaugh said. ----------------------- Discussion by American Medical Association -- a Boon to Bacteria, a Bust for Consumers, CTFA / SDA Say http://www.ctfa.org/viewpage.cfm?id=1057 June 14, 2000 PRST 00-9 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Irene Malbin 202/331-1770 Janet Donohue 212/725-1262 Discussion by American Medical Association -- a Boon to Bacteria, a Bust for Consumers, CTFA / SDA Say WASHINGTON, D.C. — Consumers should continue to use antibacterial personal care/cleaning products in the home with confidence according to the Cosmetic, Toiletry, and Fragrance Association (CTFA), the Soap and Detergent Association (SDA), and a leading health expert, Dr. Gerba.They were responding to the American Medical Association’s (AMA) discussion that could dissuade consumers from using an important defense against disease-causing germs. Antibacterial personal care/cleaning products, depending on their formulation and application, kill or inhibit the growth of bacteria that cause skin infections, intestinal illnesses or other commonly transmitted diseases. These include potentially fatal illnesses caused by bacteria such as salmonella and E.coli. “Our society is increasingly concerned about the very real threat of disease caused by bacteria. Fortunately, antibacterial personal-care products provide an extra measure of protection for consumers at home and doctors and nurses in hospitals,” said Ed Kavanaugh, President of CTFA, the national trade association representing the cosmetic, toiletry and fragrance industry. “That is why there is such a demand for these products.” The American Medical Association’s caution to consumers about using antimicrobial soaps and washes is a mistake, said Dr. Gerba, professor of Environmental Microbiology at the University of Arizona and a world-renowned expert on bacteria. “It is irresponsible for credible medical professionals to dismiss the entire category of antimicrobial products that fight disease-causing germs based on speculative scientific theories,” Dr. Gerba said. “These products dramatically reduce the risk of contracting infections from common bacteria, such as salmonella or E.coli, in the home. “The simplest defense against disease is prevention, and the first defense is always good hygiene,” Dr. Gerba added. “And antimicrobial products have been shown to be an essential part of a good hygiene routine.” The American Medical Association’s discussion is based on untested scientific theory, the CTFA said. In speculating on the role of personal-care products in causing antibiotic resistance, the American Medical Association is diverting attention away from the proven causes of antibacterial resistance. According to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, doctors write 50 million unnecessary prescriptions for antibiotics each year. It is this over-prescription of drugs -- and their misuse by patients -- that are the key reasons for the emergence of antibiotic resistance, experts say. “The tangible solution to this problem of antibiotic resistance is in doctors’ hands,” Ernie Rosenberg, President of SDA said. “Putting the burden on consumers – and taking away effective defenses against disease-causing bacteria – is not the answer.” Added Dr. Gerba: “Civilization has struggled for thousands of years to fight germs for a reason: Germs are bad and getting sick all the time will not make us healthier or immune to other diseases. The real issue remains the overuse and over-prescription of the antibiotic medicines and their use in animal feed.” Because antibiotic resistance and its causes is a critical public health issue, the industry supports the AMA’s call for further research on this issue. Since we regard all consumer health questions as being important, the manufacturers of antibacterial products are conducting additional research to further explore all issues that may have an impact on the use of our products. ----------------------- CTFA Position Statement on Personal Care Products Efficacy, Proper Use and Antibiotic Resistance -- June, 1, 2000 http://www.ctfa.org/viewpage.cfm?id=1056 Joint Statement of the Soap and Detergent Association and the Cosmetic, Toiletry, and Fragrance Association June 1, 2000 PRST 00-18 Position Statement on Personal Care Products Efficacy, Proper Use and Antibiotic Resistance Our society is increasingly concerned about the very real threat of disease caused by bacteria. Antibacterial personal care products (such as hand washes) provide an extra measure of protection for consumers at home and doctors and nurses in hospitals seeking to prevent the spread of germs. These products, depending upon their formulation and application, kill or inhibit the growth of bacteria that cause odor, skin infections, intestinal illnesses or other commonly transmitted diseases. The use of antibacterial products, however, should not replace a common sense regimen of good hygiene. In recent years, there has been an increased level of interest in antibiotic resistance. Public discussions have focused primarily upon the over-prescription and misuse of antibiotic drugs and agricultural animal feeds. Antibacterial personal care products have not been shown to promote bacterial resistance. In January 1997, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) convened a panel of experts to review the scientific literature on antibiotic resistance. The FDA panel concluded that bacterial resistance due to antibacterial wash products was not a public health concern. Since then, several laboratory studies have raised questions about possible links between antibacterial personal care products and bacterial resistance. These studies have limited relevance to what happens in the everyday world because they were only conducted under controlled laboratory conditions. Since we regard all consumer health questions as being important, the manufacturers of antibacterial personal care products will be initiating additional research to further explore all issues that may have an impact on the use of our products. ----------------------- Bacterial Resistance and Antibacterial Personal Care Products: No Real-Life Link Demonstrated http://www.germsmart.com/html/factbact.html Bacterial Resistance and Antibacterial Personal Care Products: No Real-Life Link Demonstrated Scientific advisors to the federal government as well as clinical researchers agree that the use of antibacterial personal care products has not been shown to cause bacterial resistance. In hospitals, where antibacterial products are used regularly to stop the spread of bacteria and resistance to antibiotic drugs is monitored, researchers have not seen a link between antibacterial wash products and bacterial resistance. FDA expert panel reviews data In January 1997, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) convened a panel of experts to review the scientific knowledge available on this topic. The panel concluded that bacterial resistance due to antibacterial wash products is currently not a public health concern. To assure awareness of new developments, FDA recommended continued monitoring of the situation. Scientific debate The rising incidence of antibiotic drug resistant bacteria is a serious worldwide concern. There is no real-life evidence that antibacterial products — as they are normally used in hospitals, in food preparation and in people’s homes — contribute to bacterial resistance. While some studies have shown that antibacterial ingredients may promote resistant bacteria, these studies have been done under controlled laboratory conditions that do not reflect what happens to bacteria that consumers encounter in the real world. Bacterial resistance is a scientific challenge Bacterial resistance challenges the way modern medicine fights infectious diseases today. The world’s best minds are working to solve this problem. The international scientific community agrees that the main culprit for the rising incidence of bacterial resistance is the misuse and overuse of antibiotic drugs. Antibacterial soaps and washes can fight resistant bacteria Antibacterial hand and body washes have been used in hospitals* to control outbreaks of infections caused by bacteria resistant to certain antibiotics. On-going monitoring in one facility has shown continued prevention of these outbreaks. * Marshall, ine Rumma, Reiss-Levy. Effect of Using TRICLOSAN Bodywashing on the Incidence and Distribution of Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcal Aureus (MRSA) in a Community Hospital. Presented at the 11th National Conference of the Australian Infection Control Association (AICA), May 1997. A.B. Zafar, R.C. , D.J. Reese, L.A. Gaydos, P.A. Mennonna. Use of 0.3% TRICLOSAN (Bacti-Stat) to eradicate an outbreak of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus in a neonatal nursery. American Journal of Infection Control 1995, 23:200-208. ----------------------- Commonly Asked Questions and Answers http://www.germsmart.com/html/factq_a.html Commonly Asked Questions and Answers What is the difference between plain soap and antibacterial soap used in the home? The main difference is that antibacterial soaps contain a special ingredient for controlling germs. Washing with plain soap initially removes some germs, but the germs left on the hands can quickly regrow and increase in number. Do you believe that the expanding use of antibacterial ingredients in consumer wash products could lead to bacterial resistance to antibiotics? The overuse and misuse of antibiotic drugs are well-documented as the major causes of antibiotic resistance. In hospitals, where antibacterial products are heavily used, researchers have not seen a link between antibacterial wash products and antibiotic resistance. Therefore, we believe that consumers can safely use antibacterial hand and body wash products. Has industry studied the issue of antibacterial resistance? The industry asked experts on antibiotic resistance to do an extensive review of the available data. The experts concluded that no link has been established between the use of antibacterial wash products in real world situations and bacterial resistance. These reviews were presented to the Food and Drug Administration in January 1997. What do you think of the recent reports indicating exposure to various antibacterial ingredients can lead to resistant bacteria? We do not believe that this research is relevant to how consumers use antibacterial wash products in the home. The controlled conditions of these laboratory experiments are not typically found in the real world. To quote one of the authors, there is a big difference between bacteria specially grown in petri dishes in a laboratory and wild bacteria proliferating around a house. What are the differences between the real world and laboratory results? In the laboratory, bacteria are grown under highly controlled temperature, moisture and nutritional conditions. In the home, bacteria encounter varying moisture conditions, and are exposed to other factors (e.g., chlorine in water, surface cleaners, etc.) that would limit their survival. Didn’t Dr. Levy’s work show that bacteria that were resistant to antibacterial agents were also resistant to antibiotics? We do not believe that the highly controlled laboratory conditions used in Dr. Levy’s research predict what happens to the bacteria that consumers encounter in everyday situations. If there were a link between antibacterial use and antibiotic resistance, we would have seen it by now in those circumstances where antibacterial products are heavily used and resistance monitored, such as in hospitals. Isn’t it possible that the low level of actives remaining on the skin after using an antibacterial wash product could lead to resistant bacteria? We have not seen any evidence that this has happened. If many scientists do not believe that the use of antibacterial wash products is contributing to antibiotic resistance, why do some continue to raise concerns? Many scientists and health experts are very concerned about the emergence of resistance due to the overuse and misuse of antibiotics throughout the world. The implications of this situation have spurred discussion aimed at finding appropriate methods for increasing our understanding about the causes of resistance. What does the FDA say about this issue? An FDA panel of experts considered the available data in 1997 and concluded that bacterial resistance due to antibacterial hand and body wash products is not a current concern. To assure awareness of any new developments, FDA recommended continued monitoring of the situation. Does industry plan to carry out research on antibacterial resistance? Understanding whether the use of antibacterial wash products plays a role in increased antibiotic resistance is part of industry’s commitment to the safe and effective use of these products. Industry continues to review the data and participate in discussions with experts in the field aimed at increasing scientists’ understanding of the resistance issue. Why are so many antibacterial soaps on the market now? Soaps intended to fight or inhibit the growth of odor-causing bacteria have been marketed since the 1920s. Greater concern over health risks from germs has generated increased consumer demand for new antibacterial wash products. ----------------------- You don't even have to read this text. If you do a word search, you'll see the word " Triclosan " only show's up twice. And on those two occasions, the word " triclosan " appears in the name of a scientific article about Triclosan. > I see www.germsmart.com is >highly in favor of using triclosan. based on the links provided, I don't see that www.germsmart.com is " highly in favor of using triclosan " . Once again, read the text. >I also see that >they are sponsored by the soap and detergent >association and CTFA. That is correct. >No disrespect, but I really do >not think that this group is unbiased and what they >were giving was simply opinions, no scientific basis >for them. After reviewing your website, it is easy to understand your bias and see why you can say what you do and why you feel the way that you do. Talk about bias and agenda. I have no economic or industry bias but as a personal observation and a quick review of your website, it would appear that you have reason to be biased. Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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