Re: Question re Preservative information to give to customers

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/21/2003 6:36:39 PM Central Daylight Time,

inyourhair@... writes:

I would like to have some kind of a handout that explains this in clear and

succint manner.

Start writing ... then edit, edit, edit ... until you've said what needs to

be said and all criteria are met:

no slamming others (but comment that you disagree with X philosophy and why)

not so technical that customers won't read it

informative enough to convince

You know best what it is you want to say and how you want to present to your

customers! If still in doubt after you start, post the proposed handout!

-

[Guest guest]

HI Rich

I haven't checked out the snowdrift farm web site but last time I loked they

only sold the dip slides which aren't any good for testing lotions. You need to

get hold of some petrifim, 3M are the distributors and I'm sure I saw a post

about where to get these a while ago so look in the archives. If you type in 3M

it should come up.

Pam

Here's the link for the bacteria test kit - purchase with caution - I just

picked up an order there and the store was absolutely filthy - looked like the

lobby hadn't been cleaned in months! I'm hoping the processing area was much

more sterile than the lobby - but that lobby left a bad taste in my mouth and

makes me wonder about the rest...but this is the only place I know of that sells

this. If there is another source, I'd sure like to know!!

http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/labtools.html

Rich

[Guest guest]

My recommendation is to have a flier explaining the reasons for having

germicide/fungicides in the products. Then...I would have a demonstration...

Make two versions of your lotion - 1 with germicide, 1 without.

Take a home bacteria test kit and test each lotion and display the results. Let

those ugly little critters do all the talking for you.

Highlight the display " Why we use preservatives in our lotions "

Just because something is " all-natural " doesn't mean it's good for you. A

chemists definition of natural is a substance with a single Carbon atom

remaining after it goes through its processing. A cosmetic companies definition

of natural is whatever they want it to be.

Natural to me is any substance derived from a living organism regardless of the

method of processing used to extract the product. What counts is the end result

- how much of a naturally derived substance is there versus a synthetic

substance? I prefer to refer to my products as " lotions made from vegetable

by-products " .

Here's the link for the bacteria test kit - purchase with caution - I just

picked up an order there and the store was absolutely filthy - looked like the

lobby hadn't been cleaned in months! I'm hoping the processing area was much

more sterile than the lobby - but that lobby left a bad taste in my mouth and

makes me wonder about the rest...but this is the only place I know of that sells

this. If there is another source, I'd sure like to know!!

http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/labtools.html

Rich

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Customers of mine bash preservatives all the time too - and the advice I

give is that I sure as he** would want my a** covered if I was selling to

the public, and there is no natural preservative on the face of the earth

that is effective. I recommend Liquipar, Germall or Phenopip.

I further go on to say that " Imagine your two year old coming out from

having used the toilet, and then putting his fingers up his nose, and then

putting those same fingers in your *.* product " - I'd want it to survive

that test, thats for sure. Its further true, that its not just to protect

the product before your client buys it, its also afterwards.

I also attended the Vancouver Gift Show recently, and customers of mine

stated that HPB was present, and asking to see paperwork to prove that

manufacturers were registering themselves and their products. Maybe you

need to push that angle.

Well, Naturally

http://www.wellnaturally.ca

http://www.wellnaturally.com

At 12:09 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>I am doing a show in October that is a Wholistic/Wellness type show and it

>is a very big show in our area. There will be another vendor there that

>likes to bash preservatives and in fact her website says this...

> " Cosmetic preservatives may be some of the most dangerous because they are

>required to work for a longer period than an ordinary antiseptic or

>disinfectant and are probably wreaking more havoc on your hair and skin

>than the micro-organisms they're trying to destroy!

>

>Then, what about all the petro-chemicals used like propylene glycol that's

>known to cause allergic and toxic reactions? Or mineral oil that after

>prolonged use removes sebum from the skin? Then there's artificial colours

>and fragrance....The list is endless. "

>

>As I use preservatives and feel that I must in order to protect the

>customer and the integrity of the product (and until they come up with a

>natural preservative that actually is proven to work) I would like to have

>some kind of a handout that explains this in clear and succint

>manner. This other vendor has been in other shows with me and likes to

>bash those who aren't her, while I do not do this and do not intend to get

>in to a debate with her I would like something that backs up my reasoning

>and is understandable to the consumer.

>

>Any ideas or is there a place where I can go to get some wording for a

>handout re using preservatives in handmade products? Or does anyone here

>do this and would you mind sharing with me?

>

>Thank you in advance,

>

>

>

>M2T Bare Essensuals

>http://www.bare-essensuals.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry,

I meant to say that HPB stands for Health Protection Branch, which is the

canadian equivalent of FDA. I have also heard that HPB is poised to jump

with both feet on some crafter who is not following the guidelines, as a

test case.

Well, Naturally

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>Hi ,

>

>Customers of mine bash preservatives all the time too - and the advice I

>give is that I sure as he** would want my a** covered if I was selling to

>the public, and there is no natural preservative on the face of the earth

>that is effective. I recommend Liquipar, Germall or Phenopip.

>

>I further go on to say that " Imagine your two year old coming out from

>having used the toilet, and then putting his fingers up his nose, and then

>putting those same fingers in your *.* product " - I'd want it to survive

>that test, thats for sure. Its further true, that its not just to protect

>the product before your client buys it, its also afterwards.

>

>I also attended the Vancouver Gift Show recently, and customers of mine

>stated that HPB was present, and asking to see paperwork to prove that

>manufacturers were registering themselves and their products. Maybe you

>need to push that angle.

>

>

>Well, Naturally

>http://www.wellnaturally.ca

>http://www.wellnaturally.com

>

>

>

>

>At 12:09 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>

> >I am doing a show in October that is a Wholistic/Wellness type show and it

> >is a very big show in our area. There will be another vendor there that

> >likes to bash preservatives and in fact her website says this...

> > " Cosmetic preservatives may be some of the most dangerous because they are

> >required to work for a longer period than an ordinary antiseptic or

> >disinfectant and are probably wreaking more havoc on your hair and skin

> >than the micro-organisms they're trying to destroy!

> >

> >Then, what about all the petro-chemicals used like propylene glycol that's

> >known to cause allergic and toxic reactions? Or mineral oil that after

> >prolonged use removes sebum from the skin? Then there's artificial colours

> >and fragrance....The list is endless. "

> >

> >As I use preservatives and feel that I must in order to protect the

> >customer and the integrity of the product (and until they come up with a

> >natural preservative that actually is proven to work) I would like to have

> >some kind of a handout that explains this in clear and succint

> >manner. This other vendor has been in other shows with me and likes to

> >bash those who aren't her, while I do not do this and do not intend to get

> >in to a debate with her I would like something that backs up my reasoning

> >and is understandable to the consumer.

> >

> >Any ideas or is there a place where I can go to get some wording for a

> >handout re using preservatives in handmade products? Or does anyone here

> >do this and would you mind sharing with me?

> >

> >Thank you in advance,

> >

> >

> >

> >M2T Bare Essensuals

> >http://www.bare-essensuals.com

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I would put some jars on my back table with the results of unpreserved

products..rancid oils,broken cream, maybe even a lotion with a healthy layer of

'serracia marcesans'! These would probably speak louder than words!.....Jo Ann

I would like to have some kind of a handout that explains this in clear and

succint manner.

[Guest guest]

The instructions on the site state that you are to smear the product you're

testing on the slide with the sterile swab they've provided.

Merin

http://www.goodcleansoap.com

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live

as one wishes to live. -- Wilde

> HI Rich

> I haven't checked out the snowdrift farm web site but last time I loked

they only sold the dip slides which aren't any good for testing lotions. You

need to get hold of some petrifim, 3M are the distributors and I'm sure I

saw a post about where to get these a while ago so look in the archives. If

you type in 3M it should come up.

> Pam

[Guest guest]

Hi Merin

I was rushing this morning so didn't explain what I meant but from

the little I know, dip slides similar to what Snowdrift Farm sell are

only good where microbial activity is high and should only be used as

a guide. The petrifim on the other hand is far more accurate and with

them we should be able to test our product and aim for 100cfu per

ml/gm. It's my understanding that the dip slides are only good for

1000-10,1000 cfu's. Hope I've got that right, maybe some of the

chemists would like to elaborate or correct me:-)

Pam

> The instructions on the site state that you are to smear the

product you're

> testing on the slide with the sterile swab they've provided.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Correction, that should read 1000 - 100,000 cfu

Pam

> 1000-10,1000 cfu's. Hope I've got that right, maybe some of the

> chemists would like to elaborate or correct me:-)

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Zia is a natural skincare line sold in stores like Whole Foods and

their web site notes why they use preservatives in their products:

http://www.zianatural.com/News.html

Hope this helps!

Leigh

On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 12:09 PM,

wrote:

> Any ideas or is there a place where I can go to get some wording for a

> handout re using preservatives in handmade products?  Or does anyone

> here do this and would you mind sharing with me?

>

> Thank you in advance,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Leigh,

That's absolutely great - thank you Leigh. I will combine this with some

information I found at Health Canada's site

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hecs-sesc/cosmetics/faq.htm#what and come up with

something worthwhile for my customers. Thanks for all the great information

shared on this list.

Kind regards,

M2T Bare Essensuals

Down to Earth Sensuality

http://www.bare-essensuals.com

----- Original Message -----

Zia is a natural skincare line sold in stores like Whole Foods and

their web site notes why they use preservatives in their products:

http://www.zianatural.com/News.html