Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 what does buying thoughts mean - Anne's cell phone - 's cell phone Subject: Sometimes...To: "ACT Group" <ACT_for_the_Public >Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:06 PM I notice that I'm buying thougths Sometimes, don't. Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 To be carried by them. Peace.. --- El dom, 2/11/08, Peiper and Anne lin escribió: De: Peiper and Anne lin Asunto: Re: Sometimes...Para: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: domingo, 2 noviembre, 2008 10:16 what does buying thoughts mean - Anne's cell phone - 's cell phone From: Jesus C <jcc1777yahoo (DOT) es>Subject: [ACT_for_the_ Public] Sometimes...To: "ACT Group" <ACT_for_the_ Public@yahoogrou ps.com>Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:06 PM I notice that I'm buying thougths Sometimes, don't. Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Hi, Here is buying into thoughts as I see it. Basically believing what your mind is telling you. Your mind is mostly just interested in trying to stop trauma from happening again. And so it tells you over and over something that happened from your past is happening again now and is dangerous. But my mind is most times incorrect. It is just trying to help me but doesn't get that it is making an general assumption. So, this is why you will see people on here talking about how they just say, " Thank you mind " when your thoughts tell you something untrue. I can in times of non stress usually know what is true and isn't but in times of stress or anxiety attacks, I 'buy into a thought as true " . I am getting better and better at recognizing it. I still buy into thoughts. Right now my biggest problem with this is when I talk to my new ACT therapist. Because of the trauma caused by my incompetent therapist, my mind goes nuts when I talk to him. My mind thinks now that all therapists are out to make me feel I have mental illness. ANd of course it is scary to talk to a professional that might say something like that, but my new therapist has told me over and over he believes my ex therapist was incompetent and does not think I have crazy. My mind however is yelling " Danger, danger , danger " because of my last therapist. So, the evidence in front of me is that my new ACT therapist who I picked out because i think he is really good, is an ACT therapist and has assured me that he believes I am fine. But my mind in the form of anxiety and panic is saying something from the past. My job is to try and see it in a totally neutral way and realize what is true about my mind and what isn't. In this case, my anxiety is fr om past not present and this is where mindfullness is a helpful skill from ACT. At least this is how I see it. --------- Sometimes...To: "ACT Group" <ACT_for_the_Public >Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:06 PM I notice that I'm buying thougths Sometimes, don't. Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Thank you robynabc for your reply. I too have had experience with an incompetent therapist who caused harm and made things worse for me. My current struggle is with panic attacks that seem to come out of no where and don't seem to have a particular trigger. Being mindful of and accepting of these feelings is very difficult. I have been practicing some of the ACT excercises but am hoping someone can give some advise about what works for them. - Anne's cell phone - 's cell phone > > From: Jesus C <jcc1777yahoo (DOT) es>> Subject: [ACT_for_the_ Public] Sometimes...> To: "ACT Group" <ACT_for_the_ Public@yahoogrou ps.com>> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:06 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that I'm buying thougths> > Sometimes, don't.> > Peace.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Hi there, Please let me say that I am not questioning you in any way, simply trying to give you another perspective that may hopefully help. I am just a layperson going through ACT myself and I feel I was lucky enough to find a really great psych that gels with me well. So here goes... I was just thinking that perhaps with your previous therapist if you consider that they were just a person like you. Like you when you meet a person sometimes you do not work well with them, or communicate will with them, some people in fact just rub you the wrong way. It's not for any particular reason, maybe it is pheromones, maybe it is spirits, maybe they are wearing the wrong coloured t-shirt. For some reason, you just aren't into them. I think that this can also happen between patient and therapist as well. Maybe their methods, their way of talking, whatever they do as a therapist just wasn't your style. However this therapist is your style and seems to get you. This therapist is just a person too and so it's maybe not so much that he is a better therapist, but that he is a better therapist for you. I try to treat my therapist like my closest friend, and I think that way she has the best way of helping me. Maybe you could do the same if you consider that this therapist has been good so far, it feels right and you gel as people. It's really personal stuff so I think it's important that you feel really comfortable with the therapist, as a person, like a friend sort of I guess. I don't mean to offend, I am just trying to help. Maybe this is another way to think about trusting your new therapist more. > I still buy into thoughts. Right now my biggest problem with this is when I talk to my new ACT therapist. Because of the trauma caused by my incompetent therapist, my mind goes nuts when I talk to him. My mind thinks now that all therapists are out to make me feel I have mental illness. ANd of course it is scary to talk to a professional that might say something like that, but my new therapist has told me over and over he believes my ex therapist was incompetent and does not think I have crazy. My mind however is yelling " Danger, danger , danger " because of my last therapist. So, the evidence in front of me is that my new ACT therapist who I picked out because i think he is really good, is an ACT therapist and has assured me that he believes I am fine. But my mind in the form of anxiety and panic is saying something from the past. My job is to try and see it in a totally neutral way and realize what is true about my mind and what isn't. In this case, my anxiety is fr > om past not present and this is where mindfullness is a helpful skill from ACT. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Hi, I appreciate what you are saying. I think the issue is that my mind is not getting that this therapist is not like the very destructive therapist of the past. My past therapist should not be practicing. I won't go into my 6 year experience but Everything was about her and my mind (in the form of anxiety) is confused. I am finally to a point where I can say I don't care about how she feels about this. I shouldn't have to after the six years of being confused and being told things that made my anxiety worse then having the fact that my anxiety get worse as proof of her hypothosis. I don't want to say too much more because this is such a trigger for me. I don't want anyone else to get the wrong idea about me. I am getting to a point where I think I was abused by this therapist. So, my point is my mind (again, in the form of anxiety) is still confused and I have to defuse those thoughts. Keep in mind I am still working through what therapist did, but I am not going to gi ve her the benefit of the doubt right now. I just want to move on. Yes, it is harsh but I can't afford to put any more energy into her. I know I am a bit defensive but this is what I am going through right now. Robyn -------------- Original message ---------------------- > Hi there, Please let me say that I am not questioning you in any way, simply trying to give you another perspective that may hopefully help. I am just a layperson going through ACT myself and I feel I was lucky enough to find a really great psych that gels with me well. So here goes... I was just thinking that perhaps with your previous therapist if you consider that they were just a person like you. Like you when you meet a person sometimes you do not work well with them, or communicate will with them, some people in fact just rub you the wrong way. It's not for any particular reason, maybe it is pheromones, maybe it is spirits, maybe they are wearing the wrong coloured t-shirt. For some reason, you just aren't into them. I think that this can also happen between patient and therapist as well. Maybe their methods, their way of talking, whatever they do as a therapist just wasn't your style. However this therapist is your style and seems to get you. This therapist is just a person too and so it's maybe not so much that he is a better therapist, but that he is a better therapist for you. I try to treat my therapist like my closest friend, and I think that way she has the best way of helping me. Maybe you could do the same if you consider that this therapist has been good so far, it feels right and you gel as people. It's really personal stuff so I think it's important that you feel really comfortable with the therapist, as a person, like a friend sort of I guess. I don't mean to offend, I am just trying to help. Maybe this is another way to think about trusting your new therapist more. > I still buy into thoughts. Right now my biggest problem with this is when I talk to my new ACT therapist. Because of the trauma caused by my incompetent therapist, my mind goes nuts when I talk to him. My mind thinks now that all therapists are out to make me feel I have mental illness. ANd of course it is scary to talk to a professional that might say something like that, but my new therapist has told me over and over he believes my ex therapist was incompetent and does not think I have crazy. My mind however is yelling " Danger, danger , danger " because of my last therapist. So, the evidence in front of me is that my new ACT therapist who I picked out because i think he is really good, is an ACT therapist and has assured me that he believes I am fine. But my mind in the form of anxiety and panic is saying something from the past. My job is to try and see it in a totally neutral way and realize what is true about my mind and what isn't. In this case, my anxiety is fr > om past not present and this is where mindfullness is a helpful skill from ACT. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Oh and thanks for your email. Just one more thing, the point of my email wasn't about my therapist. (and now I just went off on a rant about her) sorry. But really the point of that email is buying into thoughts. You can replace my therapist (was just an example) with anything you are struggling with. And that is how I take act to diffuse thoughts and anxiety. Sending sunshine Robyn -------------- Original message ---------------------- > Hi there, Please let me say that I am not questioning you in any way, simply trying to give you another perspective that may hopefully help. I am just a layperson going through ACT myself and I feel I was lucky enough to find a really great psych that gels with me well. So here goes... I was just thinking that perhaps with your previous therapist if you consider that they were just a person like you. Like you when you meet a person sometimes you do not work well with them, or communicate will with them, some people in fact just rub you the wrong way. It's not for any particular reason, maybe it is pheromones, maybe it is spirits, maybe they are wearing the wrong coloured t-shirt. For some reason, you just aren't into them. I think that this can also happen between patient and therapist as well. Maybe their methods, their way of talking, whatever they do as a therapist just wasn't your style. However this therapist is your style and seems to get you. This therapist is just a person too and so it's maybe not so much that he is a better therapist, but that he is a better therapist for you. I try to treat my therapist like my closest friend, and I think that way she has the best way of helping me. Maybe you could do the same if you consider that this therapist has been good so far, it feels right and you gel as people. It's really personal stuff so I think it's important that you feel really comfortable with the therapist, as a person, like a friend sort of I guess. I don't mean to offend, I am just trying to help. Maybe this is another way to think about trusting your new therapist more. > I still buy into thoughts. Right now my biggest problem with this is when I talk to my new ACT therapist. Because of the trauma caused by my incompetent therapist, my mind goes nuts when I talk to him. My mind thinks now that all therapists are out to make me feel I have mental illness. ANd of course it is scary to talk to a professional that might say something like that, but my new therapist has told me over and over he believes my ex therapist was incompetent and does not think I have crazy. My mind however is yelling " Danger, danger , danger " because of my last therapist. So, the evidence in front of me is that my new ACT therapist who I picked out because i think he is really good, is an ACT therapist and has assured me that he believes I am fine. But my mind in the form of anxiety and panic is saying something from the past. My job is to try and see it in a totally neutral way and realize what is true about my mind and what isn't. In this case, my anxiety is fr > om past not present and this is where mindfullness is a helpful skill from ACT. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 There are some therapists we don't gel with- true. But there are also therapists who are incompetent. Robyn, sounds like you experienced the latter. Good thing is that you can recognise this, and move on to someone who can provide you with proper evidence- based treatment. (And that you are able to diffuse the thoughts about your previous therapist in the process). Tina > > Hi there, > > > > Please let me say that I am not questioning you in any way, simply > > trying to give you another perspective that may hopefully help. I am > > just a layperson going through ACT myself and I feel I was lucky > > enough to find a really great psych that gels with me well. > > > > So here goes... > > > > I was just thinking that perhaps with your previous therapist if you > > consider that they were just a person like you. Like you when you meet > > a person sometimes you do not work well with them, or communicate will > > with them, some people in fact just rub you the wrong way. It's not > > for any particular reason, maybe it is pheromones, maybe it is > > spirits, maybe they are wearing the wrong coloured t-shirt. For some > > reason, you just aren't into them. > > > > I think that this can also happen between patient and therapist as > > well. Maybe their methods, their way of talking, whatever they do as a > > therapist just wasn't your style. However this therapist is your style > > and seems to get you. > > > > This therapist is just a person too and so it's maybe not so much that > > he is a better therapist, but that he is a better therapist for you. > > > > I try to treat my therapist like my closest friend, and I think that > > way she has the best way of helping me. Maybe you could do the same if > > you consider that this therapist has been good so far, it feels right > > and you gel as people. > > > > It's really personal stuff so I think it's important that you feel > > really comfortable with the therapist, as a person, like a friend sort > > of I guess. > > > > I don't mean to offend, I am just trying to help. Maybe this is > > another way to think about trusting your new therapist more. > > > > > > > I still buy into thoughts. Right now my biggest problem with this > > is when I talk to my new ACT therapist. Because of the trauma caused > > by my incompetent therapist, my mind goes nuts when I talk to him. > > My mind thinks now that all therapists are out to make me feel I have > > mental illness. ANd of course it is scary to talk to a professional > > that might say something like that, but my new therapist has told me > > over and over he believes my ex therapist was incompetent and does not > > think I have crazy. My mind however is yelling " Danger, danger , > > danger " because of my last therapist. So, the evidence in front of > > me is that my new ACT therapist who I picked out because i think he is > > really good, is an ACT therapist and has assured me that he believes I > > am fine. But my mind in the form of anxiety and panic is saying > > something from the past. My job is to try and see it in a totally > > neutral way and realize what is true about my mind and what isn't. In > > this case, my anxiety is fr > > > om past not present and this is where mindfullness is a helpful > > skill from ACT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Yes, Robyn please, please defuse about your therapist experience. You always start from where you are at. Not from where you have been. > > > Hi there, > > > > > > Please let me say that I am not questioning you in any way, > simply > > > trying to give you another perspective that may hopefully help. > I am > > > just a layperson going through ACT myself and I feel I was lucky > > > enough to find a really great psych that gels with me well. > > > > > > So here goes... > > > > > > I was just thinking that perhaps with your previous therapist if > you > > > consider that they were just a person like you. Like you when > you meet > > > a person sometimes you do not work well with them, or > communicate will > > > with them, some people in fact just rub you the wrong way. It's > not > > > for any particular reason, maybe it is pheromones, maybe it is > > > spirits, maybe they are wearing the wrong coloured t-shirt. For > some > > > reason, you just aren't into them. > > > > > > I think that this can also happen between patient and therapist > as > > > well. Maybe their methods, their way of talking, whatever they > do as a > > > therapist just wasn't your style. However this therapist is your > style > > > and seems to get you. > > > > > > This therapist is just a person too and so it's maybe not so > much that > > > he is a better therapist, but that he is a better therapist for > you. > > > > > > I try to treat my therapist like my closest friend, and I think > that > > > way she has the best way of helping me. Maybe you could do the > same if > > > you consider that this therapist has been good so far, it feels > right > > > and you gel as people. > > > > > > It's really personal stuff so I think it's important that you > feel > > > really comfortable with the therapist, as a person, like a > friend sort > > > of I guess. > > > > > > I don't mean to offend, I am just trying to help. Maybe this is > > > another way to think about trusting your new therapist more. > > > > > > > > > > I still buy into thoughts. Right now my biggest problem with > this > > > is when I talk to my new ACT therapist. Because of the trauma > caused > > > by my incompetent therapist, my mind goes nuts when I talk to > him. > > > My mind thinks now that all therapists are out to make me feel I > have > > > mental illness. ANd of course it is scary to talk to a > professional > > > that might say something like that, but my new therapist has > told me > > > over and over he believes my ex therapist was incompetent and > does not > > > think I have crazy. My mind however is yelling " Danger, > danger , > > > danger " because of my last therapist. So, the evidence in > front of > > > me is that my new ACT therapist who I picked out because i think > he is > > > really good, is an ACT therapist and has assured me that he > believes I > > > am fine. But my mind in the form of anxiety and panic is saying > > > something from the past. My job is to try and see it in a > totally > > > neutral way and realize what is true about my mind and what > isn't. In > > > this case, my anxiety is fr > > > > om past not present and this is where mindfullness is a helpful > > > skill from ACT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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