Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 In a message dated 6/21/2003 1:12:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Cosmeticinfo writes: > To my knowledge, olive oil doesn't strip color from hair. > How is this supposed to happen? > I don't know about olive oil, but the spa that carries my products have told me that products containing glycerin are not to be used on hair that has been color treated. It somehow makes the color disappear quicker? Beats me..... Which brings me to my question.......in a conditioner, can I sub the glycerin for Sodium Lactate (which I've been told won't strip the color)? I would really like to develop some hair products for this salon and spa as they already carry all my other items, but I want to do it well. Thoughts? Hugs Carolina Mountain Soap Co. ville, NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 In a message dated 6/21/2003 10:28:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bickfordla@... writes: > I don't know about olive oil, but the spa that carries my products have > told > me that products containing glycerin are not to be used on hair that has > been > color treated. It somehow makes the color disappear quicker? Beats me..... > Which brings me to my question.......in a conditioner, can I sub the > glycerin > for Sodium Lactate (which I've been told won't strip the color)? > I would really like to develop some hair products for this salon and spa as > they already carry all my other items, but I want to do it well. > Thoughts? > Hugs > > Carolina Mountain Soap Co. > ville, NC > Hi , I don't see how glycerin can have any effect on hair color. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head causing a problem would be ammonia or chlorine or perhaps a very harsh surfactant. Maurice is the hair care expert and I wish he would address some of these questions. But honestly, things like olive oil and glycerin stripping permanent hair color just don't make sense to me. I use glycerin in almost all my personal hair care products and have not noticed any effect on my own color treated hair. I've not worked with sodium lactate, although I plan to (got samples, no time). So, I'm not sure how it incorporates into a shampoo or conditioner formula. I think the material sounds good for use in emulsions as well. Again, perhaps Maurice or someone could help. I would recommend using the hydrolyzed proteins, olive oil PEG 7 esters, EmEster or any emollient, light ester like fractionated coconut oil (1% or less in shampoo), perhaps GuarSilk---guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride (that's why I call it GuarSilk) in a conditioning shampoo (around 0.3-0.5%). All these are possibilities to use in a shampoo for color treated or dry hair. Also, make sure the finished product has a pH that's around 5.5.....one of the most important things. Hope this helps Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 Hi All, I thought of something else that I think is very nice in shampoo...dimethicone copolyol. There are alot of them out there and they vary. This is my current favorite new toy. This is the same material that I was experimenting with in a clear, light body mist (it successfully solubilized all eos I tried!). I'm now trying it in various shampoo formulas and I am impressed with the feel and effect on hair and skin. It definitely helps with wetcomb and serves as a light conditioner...brings a bit of shine to the hair too. I've tried it in an after shampoo, light spray-on, conditioner to use when hair is still damp to increase manageability and add shine--nice! So, this one's a winner. , if your spa doesn't want glycerin, then forget the glycerin I don't think it is an integral ingredient in a shampoo anyway. I'm not sure of the research on humectants and hair care?? Again, I don't know about sodium lactate in shampoo or in hair care in general. I've been thinking of using sodium lactate as a moisturizer in emulsions and think it could be a plus there. To my mind, the best thing you can do for color treated hair is to not damage it any more than it's already damaged. The things I mentioned in the last post, the proteins, conditioners and emollients...I forgot panthenol, and it's a good one...I think these things are good for damaged/color treated hair. And don't forget to measure the pH. Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 > me that products containing glycerin are not to be used on hair that has > > been > > color treated. > I would recommend using the hydrolyzed proteins, olive oil PEG 7 esters, EmEster or any emollient, light ester like fractionated coconut oil (1% or less in shampoo), perhaps GuarSilk---guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride (that's why I call it GuarSilk) in a conditioning shampoo (around 0.3-0.5%). All these are possibilities to use in a shampoo for color treated or dry hair. Also, make sure the finished product has a pH that's around 5.5.....one of the most important things. > > Hope this helps > Angie > > > The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care > Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality > at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com If anything Glycerin will leave a coating on the hair which will effect the color penetrating the hair. That may be why they recommended not using it. Also wheat Protein and Avacado Oil are also two great additives. Avacado Oil is in one of Redkens top selling shampoos... and pH level, I also agree, is very important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 > I'm reminded of what my hair person/stylist/designer/whatever from a year or > so back believed....he said that proteins in hair care products damaged your > hair..and this was from a VERY exclusive salon. Anyone ever heard that one? > > Angie Now thats a new one!!! Ive been in the business 25 years and still havent heard that one... hair is protein so I cant see how it would damage it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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