Re: Re: E- rollercoaster/POISONING!!

[Guest guest]

i agree Rod, that Hulda is a great resource...and i have used her

Liver Cleanser with great results...

but she does see that the way our insides got bad is from the outside

pollution that enters our bodies.

have you read her books?

sparrow

Re: E- rollercoaster/POISONING!!

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>>

>

> " It is also true that there are many different theories as to what is

>the cause of FM. "

>>

> " Because of our present system of distribution and work habits we no

>longer get the benefits from food that our bodies need. Science is

>working on unravelling the workings of the body at the cellular level

>and many astonishing discoveries have been made in the last 50 years.

>The toxic effects of the environment is only one of them. "

>

>Upon studying Books by HULDA CLARK and using Electronic testing

>methods my understanding of pollution has been greatly expanded. I

>never realized the extent of pollution in our everyday products from

>tooth paste to shampoo to soap to hair spray to cereal and other

>processed foods. Gas leaks form our furnaces. Freon leaks from the

>fridge. Benzene pollution in are vegtables, FastGreen(dye in fruits),

>PCB's (in detergent). Pollution from panelling. AZO dye polltion in

>clothing and hair dye and plastic teeth. Radon gas from basement

>Cracks, Solvents in pop and fruit juices etc. The list goes on. Micro

>amounts of these can disrupt your cellular function.

>

>According to Dr. , she never sees illness actually caused from

>nutritionally deficiency, stress, lack of sleep or genetics directly.

>It is almost always Parasites and Pollution that are robbing your

>body of nutrients, disrupting your DNA etc. She even finds that

>people can cut back their nutrients many times to the RDA once these

>things are removed from the body.

>

>

>

> " there is never only one way of looking at something and there is

>never one cure that will fit all. "

>

>> " I repeat: People with FM are not insane, People with FM do not

>necessarily have Mercury poisoning. "

>

>Yes, people with FM are not insane. That was just and example of how

>one can feel especially from there own Doctor. People with FM do not

>necessarily have Mercury Poisoning either. There is plenty of other

>things out there that can mimick the same symptoms. Fatique for

>example is a symptom of many disorders and can't be pinned down to

>one thing. But I believe it can be pinned down to a class of things:

>namely parasites and pollution.

>

>Removing Mercury has only been part of the process for me and most

>people. Very rarely will a person remove mercury or do one thing and

>they are completely cured. I have Detoxed or removed BENZENE,

>Isopropyl Alcohol, 3 other solvents, Candida, 13 other heavy metals,

>Rare earth metals, Phenol, Aflatoxin(mold toxin from many grains and

>nuts, Zeralonone(mold toxin in procesed corn products), Formaldehyde

>(foam pillow), Patulin(mold toxin in fruits), Malonic Acid(food and

>plastic teeth), PCB's(detergent and soaps)and killed off numerous

>bacteria, viruses, and parasite including Intestinal Flukes and round

>worms.

>

>It is never the same thing for everyone. It is almost always multi-

>poisoning. A good ELECTRONIC test like a VEGA or Eletrodermal

>Screening or Synchrometer would be able to show a person what is

>affecting them personally.

>

>More info on this is found in " The Cure for all Diseases " and " Cure

>for all Cancers " and others by Hulda .

>

>Also http://www.drclark.net

>

>I would encourage anyone to get a hold of this information and put it

>into practice to see if it can work for them like it has for many

>others! This type of eye-opening information has done more for me

>than anything else over 8 years.

>

>Rod

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

AWESOME! i have been able to start exercising just within the last 6 months

after a lifetime of FMS...i still have down days but overall i am so much

better and it feels great to get some self esteem back.

Go for it!

sparrow

Re: E- rollercoaster/POISONING!!

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>

>> i agree Rod, that Hulda is a great resource...and i have used

>her

>> Liver Cleanser with great results...

>> but she does see that the way our insides got bad is from the

>outside pollution that enters our bodies.

>> have you read her books?

>> sparrow

>

>

>True enough!!!

>I have been sick like many for numerous years and am desperate to

>recover as fully as possible. I am into detoxing or eliminating as

>much pollution as is humanly posible as suggested in all her books.

>As a result I will finally be able to start a proper physical rehab

>soon.

>

>Rod

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is another major source of toxicity that I've been learning of lately.

Our own bodies are quite capable of poisoning us if the organs and systems

that eliminate the natural toxins we make as a waste product of living are

over burdened, or for whatever reason shut down.

My personal opinion about the cause of these diseases is toxicity from a

wide variety of sources, internal and external. The more we can eliminate

and clean up our own internal toxic waste dumps, the better we will feel.

Jim.

Re: E- rollercoaster/POISONING!!

:

:

: >

: >>

: >

: > " It is also true that there are many different theories as to what is

: >the cause of FM. "

: >>

: > " Because of our present system of distribution and work habits we no

: >longer get the benefits from food that our bodies need. Science is

: >working on unravelling the workings of the body at the cellular level

: >and many astonishing discoveries have been made in the last 50 years.

: >The toxic effects of the environment is only one of them. "

: >

: >Upon studying Books by HULDA CLARK and using Electronic testing

: >methods my understanding of pollution has been greatly expanded. I

: >never realized the extent of pollution in our everyday products from

: >tooth paste to shampoo to soap to hair spray to cereal and other

: >processed foods. Gas leaks form our furnaces. Freon leaks from the

: >fridge. Benzene pollution in are vegtables, FastGreen(dye in fruits),

: >PCB's (in detergent). Pollution from panelling. AZO dye polltion in

: >clothing and hair dye and plastic teeth. Radon gas from basement

: >Cracks, Solvents in pop and fruit juices etc. The list goes on. Micro

: >amounts of these can disrupt your cellular function.

: >

: >According to Dr. , she never sees illness actually caused from

: >nutritionally deficiency, stress, lack of sleep or genetics directly.

: >It is almost always Parasites and Pollution that are robbing your

: >body of nutrients, disrupting your DNA etc. She even finds that

: >people can cut back their nutrients many times to the RDA once these

: >things are removed from the body.

: >

: >

: >

: > " there is never only one way of looking at something and there is

: >never one cure that will fit all. "

: >

: >> " I repeat: People with FM are not insane, People with FM do not

: >necessarily have Mercury poisoning. "

: >

: >Yes, people with FM are not insane. That was just and example of how

: >one can feel especially from there own Doctor. People with FM do not

: >necessarily have Mercury Poisoning either. There is plenty of other

: >things out there that can mimick the same symptoms. Fatique for

: >example is a symptom of many disorders and can't be pinned down to

: >one thing. But I believe it can be pinned down to a class of things:

: >namely parasites and pollution.

: >

: >Removing Mercury has only been part of the process for me and most

: >people. Very rarely will a person remove mercury or do one thing and

: >they are completely cured. I have Detoxed or removed BENZENE,

: >Isopropyl Alcohol, 3 other solvents, Candida, 13 other heavy metals,

: >Rare earth metals, Phenol, Aflatoxin(mold toxin from many grains and

: >nuts, Zeralonone(mold toxin in procesed corn products), Formaldehyde

: >(foam pillow), Patulin(mold toxin in fruits), Malonic Acid(food and

: >plastic teeth), PCB's(detergent and soaps)and killed off numerous

: >bacteria, viruses, and parasite including Intestinal Flukes and round

: >worms.

: >

: >It is never the same thing for everyone. It is almost always multi-

: >poisoning. A good ELECTRONIC test like a VEGA or Eletrodermal

: >Screening or Synchrometer would be able to show a person what is

: >affecting them personally.

: >

: >More info on this is found in " The Cure for all Diseases " and " Cure

: >for all Cancers " and others by Hulda .

: >

: >Also http://www.drclark.net

: >

: >I would encourage anyone to get a hold of this information and put it

: >into practice to see if it can work for them like it has for many

: >others! This type of eye-opening information has done more for me

: >than anything else over 8 years.

: >

: >Rod

: >

: >

: >

: >

: >

: >

: >

: >

: >

[Guest guest]

>

>

> My personal opinion about the cause of these diseases is toxicity from a

> wide variety of sources, internal and external. The more we can eliminate

> and clean up our own internal toxic waste dumps, the better we will feel.

>

> Jim.

Hi Jim,

I agree with you! Our internal probs are what causes the external rxns to

substances and lets them become toxic. Look how many millions of people walk

around with mouths full of merc. and metal and other poisons and eat and drink

things we can't tolerate and are exposed to chemicals etc, and never had probs,

they are in perfect health. For some reason our systems are weakened so all

these toxins become a big burden for us......

Still the big question? What is is that makes our livers and others organs, and

immune systems and enocrine and other systems malfunction????? Its always the

chicken or the egg game with this illness.....they have found intracellular

bacteria in us, fungal infections, viral infections, parasites, merc and other

toxic chemicals....but are these just " symtpoms " of the " real " cause??? Seems

everytime they make a discovery it just turns out to be another syptom of the

underlying cause of the origin of our illness.....we can try and remove as many

of the stresses and exposures as possible and still not be RID of it if our

bodies can't learn to eliminiate toxins and probs.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Hi Marsha, :-)

:

: Hi Jim,

:

: I agree with you! Our internal probs are what causes the external rxns to

: substances and lets them become toxic. Look how many millions of people

walk

: around with mouths full of merc. and metal and other poisons and eat and

drink

: things we can't tolerate and are exposed to chemicals etc, and never had

probs,

: they are in perfect health. For some reason our systems are weakened so

all

: these toxins become a big burden for us......

My gut feeling on this is that we can't blame either internal or external

toxins alone. We can't say that the internal toxins are causing us not to be

able to tolerate the external toxins, or that the external toxins are

plugging us up so we can't get rid of the internal ones. Rather, I think

that we may inherit some tendency that leaves us open to toxicity problems.

Both the internal and external problems are a result of that. I've also met

people who were in what they thought was perfect health, who still decided

to try to eliminate toxins, and felt even better!

I think toxins in our bodies and our environment affect *everybody*. Some

are more affected than others. Unfortunately, we are some of the more

affected.

: Still the big question? What is is that makes our livers and others

organs, and

: immune systems and enocrine and other systems malfunction????? Its always

the

: chicken or the egg game with this illness.....they have found

intracellular

: bacteria in us, fungal infections, viral infections, parasites, merc and

other

: toxic chemicals....but are these just " symtpoms " of the " real " cause???

Seems

: everytime they make a discovery it just turns out to be another syptom of

the

: underlying cause of the origin of our illness.....we can try and remove as

many

: of the stresses and exposures as possible and still not be RID of it if

our

: bodies can't learn to eliminiate toxins and probs.

I think you're on to something here. A doctor I saw had this comparison:

Imagine we're out walking, and come upon an insect infested swamp. Would we

turn to each other and say, " look at this ugly swamp that all these flies

caused " ? No. The swamp invites the flies. We are, in my opinion, swampy. We

need to figure how to drain the swamp. And like any specific swamp, we all

have different causes that are all in the same group. If my particular swamp

is caused by mercury poisoning, allergies to petrochemicals, and internal

toxicities due to my poor choice of foods, I need to get rid of those things

*permanently* before I can start draining my swamp, and driving away the

flies. Am I making any sense?

: Marcia

Jim.

[Guest guest]

> Would we

> turn to each other and say, " look at this ugly swamp that all these flies

> caused " ? No. The swamp invites the flies. We are, in my opinion, swampy. We

> need to figure how to drain the swamp. And like any specific swamp, we all

> have different causes that are all in the same group. If my particular swamp

> is caused by mercury poisoning, allergies to petrochemicals, and internal

> toxicities due to my poor choice of foods, I need to get rid of those things

> *permanently* before I can start draining my swamp, and driving away the

> flies. Am I making any sense?

Hi Jim,

Yes, it makes sense, of course still leaves me many ???? LOL! This theory

would require then the right combination of circumstances and stressers to bring

it all about? Merc might not poison some, but might poison someone who was

already exposed to other toxins, poor diet, etc. I think its possible one needs

an inherently weak immune or detox system to begin with tho don't you? Since we

all have DIFFERENT genetic weaknesses and DIFFERENT exposures that would explain

why the same treatment won't get the same results in all. I must give more

thought to how to " drain my swamp " ......

I just know over the years and years of my illness, I just *feel* toxic and

poisonious! I don't even tolerate many vites/herbs and " natural " supplements

anymore. Once you get in that " space " trying to remove toxins can make you

sicker so you never know when you are doing/taking the right thing!!!! Its all

so confusing and convoluted.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

My theory with regards to myself, at least, is that the mercury has been compromising my immune system for some time and it has finally broken down. Thats me. I have been a "health nut" since my early 20's and am now 41. Have been "sick" now for about 10 years since about the time I hurt my back and started resorting to drugs even though I still cleansed every so often. But grew up eating bad, my dad smoked, etc. In my case, now, I have been taking drugs to combat symptoms, not being able to sleep, etc. (pain) and so my liver is toxic which sets up a vicious cycle of needing more drugs. I definitely have symptoms of a malfunctioning liver right now as far as reactions to food. So... time for some cleansing. I am about to start doing oral chelation to get rid of mercury too with DMSA, etc. We are bombarded with toxins all over the place - but if we are toxic inside we can't handle it as well. I can't stand exhaust fumes - had hives all winter from them. I think its my bodies way of telling me (sensitivity to smells) that I can't handle any more poisons. Definitely not in balance right now. My ability to handle stress is directly related to eating sugar, etc. too. (can't handle it when I eat any). Jeanie

Re: Re: E- rollercoaster/POISONING!!

Hi Marsha, :-):: Hi Jim,:: I agree with you! Our internal probs are what causes the external rxns to: substances and lets them become toxic. Look how many millions of peoplewalk: around with mouths full of merc. and metal and other poisons and eat anddrink: things we can't tolerate and are exposed to chemicals etc, and never hadprobs,: they are in perfect health. For some reason our systems are weakened soall: these toxins become a big burden for us......My gut feeling on this is that we can't blame either internal or externaltoxins alone. We can't say that the internal toxins are causing us not to beable to tolerate the external toxins, or that the external toxins areplugging us up so we can't get rid of the internal ones. Rather, I thinkthat we may inherit some tendency that leaves us open to toxicity problems.Both the internal and external problems are a result of that. I've also metpeople who were in what they thought was perfect health, who still decidedto try to eliminate toxins, and felt even better!I think toxins in our bodies and our environment affect *everybody*. Someare more affected than others. Unfortunately, we are some of the moreaffected.: Still the big question? What is is that makes our livers and othersorgans, and: immune systems and enocrine and other systems malfunction????? Its alwaysthe: chicken or the egg game with this illness.....they have foundintracellular: bacteria in us, fungal infections, viral infections, parasites, merc andother: toxic chemicals....but are these just "symtpoms" of the "real" cause???Seems: everytime they make a discovery it just turns out to be another syptom ofthe: underlying cause of the origin of our illness.....we can try and remove asmany: of the stresses and exposures as possible and still not be RID of it ifour: bodies can't learn to eliminiate toxins and probs.I think you're on to something here. A doctor I saw had this comparison:Imagine we're out walking, and come upon an insect infested swamp. Would weturn to each other and say, "look at this ugly swamp that all these fliescaused"? No. The swamp invites the flies. We are, in my opinion, swampy. Weneed to figure how to drain the swamp. And like any specific swamp, we allhave different causes that are all in the same group. If my particular swampis caused by mercury poisoning, allergies to petrochemicals, and internaltoxicities due to my poor choice of foods, I need to get rid of those things*permanently* before I can start draining my swamp, and driving away theflies. Am I making any sense?: MarciaJim.

[Guest guest]

I actually started thinking about this while watching Lily Tomlin in The

Incredible Shrinking Woman (a hilarious movie!), where she starts to shrink

after a bunch of household chemicals, makeup, and other stuff mixes together

and causes a reaction that shrinks her.

I thought about the chemical cocktail we ingest on a regular basis and

wondered if it might be at least partly responsible for the dramatic

increase in chronic illness. And I do believe that it is a different mix for

each of us. For those that remain well, I just think they haven't been

exposed to the particular mix that will short-circuit their immune system,

and send them spiraling into our world...*yet*. I think that each new

chemical combination invented (and I include most pharmaceutical drugs)

increases the toxic load on our systems.

OK, I'll get off my soapbox now...

As far as draining my swamp? Like the rest of us here, I'm still figuring

that out. I'm beginning to detox, and I have Dr. 's book, and am

building the two machines in it. I'm saving to begin getting merc out of my

mouth, and changing my diet on a permanent basis. I've already eliminated

chlorine from most of the house, and all detergents. We wash everything in

soap, with no petroleum distillates or chemical detergents added. I also see

a TCM doc each week, who has helped immensely. I'm getting rid of most of

the carpet in the house to reduce dust allergens. And, slowly I improve with

each change. If the improvement continues, I will likely be able to return

to work before the end of the year.

:-)

Jim.

----- Original Message -----

: Hi Jim,

:

: Yes, it makes sense, of course still leaves me many ???? LOL! This

theory

: would require then the right combination of circumstances and stressers to

bring

: it all about? Merc might not poison some, but might poison someone who

was

: already exposed to other toxins, poor diet, etc. I think its possible one

needs

: an inherently weak immune or detox system to begin with tho don't you?

Since we

: all have DIFFERENT genetic weaknesses and DIFFERENT exposures that would

explain

: why the same treatment won't get the same results in all. I must give

more

: thought to how to " drain my swamp " ......

:

: I just know over the years and years of my illness, I just *feel* toxic

and

: poisonious! I don't even tolerate many vites/herbs and " natural "

supplements

: anymore. Once you get in that " space " trying to remove toxins can make

you

: sicker so you never know when you are doing/taking the right thing!!!!

Its all

: so confusing and convoluted.

:

: Marcia