Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Hi Folks Greetings from not so sunny Scotland. Sorry it has been so long since you last heard from me, I had a small accident on my motorcycle which left me in hospital for 4 months. Back again now though and glad to be. My question is this, I have a formula for a body lotion which calls for Germbaden ll, however no one sells it in the UK. Can I substitue it for something else like Liquipar Parabens, Paraben E216 / E218 Liquid, or Sodium Benzoate? All of which I can buy in Scotland. I can hear you all cringing at another preservative question so thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 >My question is this, I have a formula for a body lotion which calls >for Germbaden ll, however no one sells it in the UK. Can I substitue >it for something else like Liquipar Parabens, Paraben E216 / E218 >Liquid, or Sodium Benzoate? All of which I can buy in Scotland. I can >hear you all cringing at another preservative question so thanks in >advance. You can use these preservatives, but I don't think Liquipar Parabens, Paraben E216 / E218 Liquid, or Sodium Benzoate will be effective preservatives. If you Sodium Benzoate, it is my understanding that the pH has to be at 4.5 or less. I'd contact UK office for ISP, the manufacture of Germaben II, Germall Plus and the LiquaPar family of preservatives, LiquaPar Oil, LiqaPar PE, LiquaPar Optima. ISP Europe Waterfield Tadworth Surrey KT20 5HQ Tel: +44 (0) 207 519-5054 Tel: +44 (0) 207 519-5055 Tel: +44 (0) 207 519-5056 Fax: +44 (0) 207 519-5056 They may know where you can buy Germaben II or Germall Plus. or you could contact the people at Clariant. Clariant is the manufacturer of Phenonip. They may know a local vendor for Phenonip. Clariant UK Ltd. Calverley Lane Horsforth LS18 4RP Leeds, West Yorkshire United Kingdom Phone: +44 113 2584 646 Fax: +44 113 2398 473 Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Hi, and thanks one again for answering my newbie question, I have spoken to ISP and they recomended using Suttocide A, which is derived from amino acids and can therefore be called natural, their words not mine, suitable for both liquid soaps and lotions, creams etc. They also suggested using Liquapar Optima which will do the same things but is approved for use in Japan. Thought you might be interested in their advice. Cheers Colin. In Cosmeticinfo , " Maurice O. Hevey " <maurice@C...> wrote: > > > >My question is this, I have a formula for a body lotion which calls > >for Germbaden ll, however no one sells it in the UK. Can I substitue > >it for something else like Liquipar Parabens, Paraben E216 / E218 > >Liquid, or Sodium Benzoate? All of which I can buy in Scotland. I can > >hear you all cringing at another preservative question so thanks in > >advance. > > You can use these preservatives, but I don't think Liquipar Parabens, Paraben E216 / E218 Liquid, or Sodium Benzoate will be effective preservatives. > > If you Sodium Benzoate, it is my understanding that the pH has to be at 4.5 or less. > > I'd contact UK office for ISP, the manufacture of Germaben II, Germall Plus and the LiquaPar family of preservatives, LiquaPar Oil, LiqaPar PE, LiquaPar Optima. > > ISP Europe > Waterfield > Tadworth > Surrey > KT20 5HQ > Tel: +44 (0) 207 519-5054 > Tel: +44 (0) 207 519-5055 > Tel: +44 (0) 207 519-5056 > Fax: +44 (0) 207 519-5056 > > They may know where you can buy Germaben II or Germall Plus. > > or you could contact the people at Clariant. Clariant is the manufacturer of Phenonip. They may know a local vendor for Phenonip. > > Clariant UK Ltd. > Calverley Lane Horsforth > LS18 4RP Leeds, West Yorkshire > United Kingdom > Phone: +44 113 2584 646 > Fax: +44 113 2398 473 > > Maurice > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Maurice O. Hevey > Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. > http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com > ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 In a message dated 6/9/03 7:55:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, colin.a-h@... writes: > Hi, and thanks one again for answering my newbie question, I have > spoken to ISP and they recomended using Suttocide A, which is derived > from amino acids and can therefore be called natural, their words not > mine, suitable for both liquid soaps and lotions, creams etc. They > also suggested using Liquapar Optima which will do the same things > but is approved for use in Japan. > Thought you might be interested in their advice. Cheers Colin. > Hi Colin, I'm not sure who you spoke with at ISP Sutton, but they do not consider Suttocide A to be a natural preservative. It is not naturally derived. Suttocide A is a good possibility to preserve shampoos or other products where mold is not much of a concern. But for emulsions such as cream or lotion, it is not a particularly good choice. Also, be aware of the fact that Suttocide A is alkaline, which may present some challenges on it's own. LiquaPar Optima is a better choice for emulsions than Suttocide A and according to Steve, the best choice for emulsions (in terms of antimicrobial activity) is Germall Plus. You may want to speak with Steve Orafino in the technical dept. to double check your information. Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Hi Angie I'm not sure of the lady's name, but after Maurice telling me what I needed I did want to double check, I will phone Steve tomorrow and speak to him. Thanks for keeping me right. It is now my ambition to one day answer someone elses question on the list LOL, I will get there, so if anybody needs advice on UK payroll, HR or accounts or even wood working I am your man LOL again Cheers Colin .. > In a message dated 6/9/03 7:55:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > colin.a-h@v... writes: > > > Hi, and thanks one again for answering my newbie question, I have > > spoken to ISP and they recomended using Suttocide A, which is derived > > from amino acids and can therefore be called natural, their words not > > mine, suitable for both liquid soaps and lotions, creams etc. They > > also suggested using Liquapar Optima which will do the same things > > but is approved for use in Japan. > > Thought you might be interested in their advice. Cheers Colin. > > > > Hi Colin, > I'm not sure who you spoke with at ISP Sutton, but they do not consider > Suttocide A to be a natural preservative. It is not naturally derived. > > Suttocide A is a good possibility to preserve shampoos or other products > where mold is not much of a concern. But for emulsions such as cream or lotion, > it is not a particularly good choice. Also, be aware of the fact that > Suttocide A is alkaline, which may present some challenges on it's own. LiquaPar > Optima is a better choice for emulsions than Suttocide A and according to Steve, > the best choice for emulsions (in terms of antimicrobial activity) is Germall > Plus. > > You may want to speak with Steve Orafino in the technical dept. to double > check your information. > > Angie > The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care > Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality > at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 In a message dated 6/9/03 2:37:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, colin.a-h@... writes: > I'm not sure of the lady's name, but after Maurice telling me what I > needed I did want to double check, I will phone Steve tomorrow and > speak to him. Hi Colin, Suttocide A does sound like a good choice for some products since it is apparently very effective against bacteria. The high pH (neutralization) gives it some interesting possibilities also. To assume it will be a good all purpose preservative choice for most people is not a good idea. Steve explained that if used in emulsions or formulations where mold is a big concern, it should be used in conjunction with something like the parabens. But the two cannot be pre-mixed, they both need to be added separately. The issues are too complex for many homecrafters that may not even own a pH meter. Steve also explained that it would be erroneous to assume Suttocide A is naturally derived, it is synthetically derived. So, the bottom line in my opinion is that it is a very good preservative for particular products in certain situations, but generally speaking would not be one that most homecrafters should choose. Woodcrafting? How nice! Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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