Guest guest Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 In a message dated 6/24/03 7:23:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bevlm1@... writes: > After Angie mentioned using this and had all the eo's she tried emulsify > (for a body spray) I did some internet searching/reading. Were you using it > for a combination of it's emusifying and humectant capabilities? How did you > decide which to use? I didn't have a LOT of time to search, but didn't come > across sites that had them all listed with probable functions. ? Do you go to > a specific vendor site? Is this something you're thinking about carrying? < > sigh> I do so have laboratory envy. <g> Someday... > > Bev > > Hi Bev, I've been working on formulating emollient body mists and also light, spray-on, leave-in hair conditioners. I was actually working on my spray-on light hair conditioner, when I realized the dimethicone copolyol also felt good on my skin. I did the same thing with our Conditioning Emulsifier. I had been using it for a couple of years for hair conditioner and realized it felt so good on skin that I started developing formulas for creams/lotions. I like to take a particular ingredient and figure out a lot of different ways to utilize it....but I digress Anyway, I got the idea of offering a copolyol from Welch. She's been offering dimethicone for a while now and I wanted to offer something different and she suggested the copolyols. The copolyols are water dispersible silicones. They are perfect for hair care products and excellent in creams, lotions, etc. I've been searching various manufactures and finally found the one that I like. I'm impressed with it's ability to solubilize/emulsify essential oils and some carrier oils in water. It's a light emollient---not a humectant--excellent feel in my opinion. When used in a shampoo, it acts as a light conditioner. I love the stuff! It will be available very soon at The Herbarie. Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Angie: Would this product be good for detangling? I have long, LONG blonde hair, down to the back of my knees. I am always looking for a spray detangler/moisturizer without being heavy and greasy. I use a silicone based product from Lanza right now. Thanks, Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Woohoo, Angie, you know I have been waiting for that stuff; and maybe some cool additions to your formulary with it:)! Be sure and post when you have it up for sale, can you please? ..... It's a light emollient---not a humectant--excellent feel in my opinion. When used in a shampoo, it acts as a light conditioner. I love the stuff! It will be available very soon at The Herbarie. Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 In a message dated 6/24/03 8:28:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cbaird@... writes: > Woohoo, Angie, you know I have been waiting for that stuff; and maybe some > cool additions to your formulary with it:)! Be sure and post when you have it > up for sale, can you please? > > Hi , I'll be sure to put some formulas on the website. You can look for the copolyol within the next few weeks to a month. My webmaster is behind schedule on uploading info to the site, so always feel free to send me a private email or give me a call. Very often I have the product on hand, but the information is not on the site. Hope the linen mist is going well! Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 In a message dated 6/24/03 8:55:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bevlm1@... writes: > That's good to know (that you'll be carrying them soon). One of the > websites listed the copolyols as some being humectants (copolyol sterate and > silyate), but most as emollients; have you ever tried a combination? Just curious. > > Thanks > > Bev > Hi Bev, I don't completely understand how all the copolyols function. I am still in the learning stage with these materials. The one that I am interested is considered a hydrophilic ester with a silicone backbone and offers emolliency in a water based system. I'm not aware of any of the dimethcone copolyols being humectants, but I could be wrong. I'm not sure I know what you mean by a 'combination'? Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 In a message dated 6/24/03 3:14:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, candlelady@... writes: > Angie: > Would this product be good for detangling? I have long, LONG blonde hair, > down to the back of my knees. I am always looking for a spray > detangler/moisturizer without being heavy and greasy. I use a silicone based product from > Lanza right now. > Thanks, > Fiona > Hi Fiona Oh, your hair sounds so beautiful! Yes, the dimethicone copolyol that I'm referring to will definitely improve wet-comb and also add shine to hair. I consider it a light emollient conditioner. For your hair, I would also recommend a shampoo with other conditioners though. My 17 year old daughter also has waist length hair--very thick, somewhat wavy. She shampoos her hair every day and likes the sleek look that is popular these days, so I make a shampoo for her that utilizes lots of " goodies " --like dl panthenol, GuarSilk (guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride), EmEster (C12-15 alkyl benzoate), various proteins, botanical complex. She always follows her shampoo with a rinse out hair co nditioner with our Conditioning Emulsifier--behentrimonium methosulfate (and) cetearyl alcohol. I've tried the copolyol in my own shampoo and love it, but she has not yet tried it. She loves the creamy shampoo that I make with the SCI Noodles and the Polyfactant DLS, so I'll need to incorporate the copolyol into that formula. Anyway, I hope this helps a bit. If you haven't signed up for our newsletter, The Herbarie Update, you may wish to do so. We are discussing hair care and surfactants in this issue. Angie PS Your package is on the way The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 > Would this product be good for detangling? I have long, LONG blonde > hair, down to the back of my knees. I am always looking for a spray > detangler/moisturizer without being heavy and greasy. I use a > silicone based product from Lanza right now. > Thanks, > Fiona Fiona: This is a detangler that costs pennies and works wonderfully. My hair is long also and I use this all the time, as well as my 3 daughters with long (2 blondes) hair. MIRACLE HAIR DETANGLER 1 cup distilled water 2 tsp cholestral type hair conditioner (there are several brands of this--Queene Helene is one--you can get a 16oz jar at Walmart for 2 or 3 dollars.) 1/2 tsp sweet almond oil 10 drops EO/FO as desired Whisk. Put in pistol grip spray bottle and shake before using. Restores moisture and shine, detangles and helps control frizz. Hope this helps. This has made hair washing NOT a fate worse than death for my girls. in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Thank you Racheal: So glad you understand the perils of long hair, but you know I would not trade my long hair for anything. I just want to keep it in excellent health. I don't do " mean " things to my hair. Thanks again, Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hi, There's a product called " Mirasil DMCO " claiming to be a water soluble silicone with emulsifying properties. Is it the same as Dimethicone Copolyol Ester? When I keyed in this name for google search, it comes out so many different varieties. How should I use this product? Is it something like dimethicone/cyclomethicone? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 >There's a product called " Mirasil DMCO " claiming to be a water >soluble silicone with emulsifying properties. Technically, Mirasil DMCO (INCI name: PEG/PPG-22/24 Dimethicone) is the alkoxylated derivative of Dimethicone containing an average of 22 moles of ethylene oxide and 24 moles of propylene oxide. Dimethicones are water insoluble. By adding PEG and PPG groups to the Dimethicone structure, the Dimethicone becomes more water loving. The Dimethicone becomes soluble in water. >Is it the same as Dimethicone Copolyol Ester? Dimethicone Copolyol Ester is made from Benzoic Acid and PEG-8 Dimethicone. PEG-8 Dimethicone is the polyethylene glycol derivative of Dimethicone containing an average of 8 moles of ethylene oxide. As you can see, this is similar to PEG/PPG-22/24 Dimethicone. Benzoic Acid and PEG-8 Dimethicone are reacted to form Dimethicone PEG–8 Benzoate. >How should I use this product? I've never used either Dimethicone Copolyol Ester or Mirasil DMCO. The manufacture of Mirasil DMCO is Rhodia Inc. Cranbury, NJ 08512-7500 http://www.rhodia-hpcii.com/ I'd ask them. Just guessing, because of the cost and the activity, the use level for Mirasil DMCO is probably around 1% or less. > Is it something like dimethicone/cyclomethicone? No. Dimethicone and Cyclometicone are not water soluble. Dimethicone Copolyol Ester and Mirasil DMCO are water soluble. Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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