Re: Fw: new emollient base HRT cream - Madeleen//

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Charlotte,

Without inventing a whole new cream, this was the one he found along with the help of some RL women, that was the least harmful. Not perfect, we know, but it is a step in the right direction.

You can always call him and ask him directly. His phone is . His name is Groen - good old Dutch name...

Madeleen Mcharlot wrote:

Dear Madeleen and ,

would any of you gals please respond to my observation below, and maybe ask Groen: why did he use a synthetic preservative like phenoxyethanol (phenol causes skin rashes), rather than a natural one, like benzoic acid (strawberries) ?

Those who "itch easily", like myself, and (if my memory serves me right here) might have trouble with such a one.

Charlotte

: has said she never has had any trouble with itching, see below.

Charlotte

Re: Re: new emollient base HRT cream - Madeleen?

As far as I recall, the phenoxyethanol was one of the toxic ones in the MS or PCCA-base-cream, and the steareth-21 is "Peg 100 Stearete" in the MS cream, a petroleum ingredient and sovent in cleaners ?

WIP have an all natural base cream, although it may be more expensive. These are the ingredients of their new all natural base cream

that is completely non-toxic

Aloe Vera Extract

Shea Butter

Essential Phospholipids

Polysaccarides

Vitamin E

Sodium Bezoate (preservative made from strawberries)

Charlotte

>> >> Madeleen? Are you there? What about you? Have you experienced> any>> side effects?>>click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/**The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.**

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Well, maybe with the absence of the other 3 toxins, it won't cause

itching. But that's a maybe. Was an original " itchy " MS

person?

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> Dear Madeleen and ,

> would any of you gals please respond to my observation below, and

maybe ask Groen: why did he use a synthetic preservative like

phenoxyethanol (phenol causes skin rashes), rather than a natural

one, like benzoic acid (strawberries) ?

> Those who " itch easily " , like myself, and (if my memory

serves me right here) might have trouble with such a one.

> Charlotte

> : has said she never has had any

trouble with itching, see below.

> Charlotte

>

> As far as I recall, the phenoxyethanol was one of the toxic ones

in the MS or PCCA-base-cream, and the steareth-21 is " Peg 100

Stearete " in the MS cream, a petroleum ingredient and sovent in

cleaners ?

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Madeleen and I have tried it and like it -

> >

> >> very

> >> > > smooth and easily absorbable.

> >> > >> The ingredients are:

> >> > >> water, cetearyl alcohol, safflower oil, almond oil,

vitamin E

> >> > > acetate, grape seed oil, steareth-21, EDTA, sodium carbomer,

> >> > > potassium sorbate, phenoxyethanol.

> >> > >> The noxious ingredients in the PCCA cream that are absent

from

> >> > > this one are dimethicone, triethanolamine, PEG-100 stearate

and

> >> > > benzethonium chloride.

> >> > >>

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> Well, maybe with the absence of the other 3 toxins, it won't cause

> itching. But that's a maybe. Was an original " itchy " MS

> person?

I got itchy all over my body and itchy hives on my face with the MS

product..but I can use the basic WIP cream base without a

problem..although I am thinking of asking my doc to get me the natrual

base instead. I am not thrilled with the thought of OIL drops - as in

olive oil or any other. I am anxious to hear what you think of the OO

mary - if you EVER receive it! And, maybe I am inept, but I am

wondering how one knows they get it to the right place if they put it

up the vagina - or is any old spot okay? Can one use the natural base

cream up there?? This is foreign territory to me..LOL

[Guest guest]

I recall someone saying you put it on the " G " spot. And I'm not

thrilled with using oil believe me. I don't know if you can use the

cream in the vagina -- not sure. We'd have to ask the pharmacist.

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> > Well, maybe with the absence of the other 3 toxins, it won't

cause

> > itching. But that's a maybe. Was an original " itchy " MS

> > person?

>

>

>

> I got itchy all over my body and itchy hives on my face with the

MS

> product..but I can use the basic WIP cream base without a

> problem..although I am thinking of asking my doc to get me the

natrual

> base instead. I am not thrilled with the thought of OIL drops -

as in

> olive oil or any other. I am anxious to hear what you think of the

OO

> mary - if you EVER receive it! And, maybe I am inept, but I am

> wondering how one knows they get it to the right place if they put

it

> up the vagina - or is any old spot okay? Can one use the natural

base

> cream up there?? This is foreign territory to me..LOL

>

[Guest guest]

> I recall someone saying you put it on the " G " spot. And I'm not

> thrilled with using oil believe me. I don't know if you can use the

> cream in the vagina -- not sure. We'd have to ask the pharmacist.

Okay..G spot...lol well.... I once read in Cosmo that the G-spot is

about 3 " up and to the front I believe...HOW do they KNOW this??

[Guest guest]

, why are you not thrilled with putting olive oil on the G spot? I would not put the cream in there, not even the more benign one, because it has chemicals in it. Olive oil is about as benign as you can get - it makes the G spot nice and plump. M wrote:

I recall someone saying you put it on the "G" spot. And I'm not thrilled with using oil believe me. I don't know if you can use the cream in the vagina -- not sure. We'd have to ask the pharmacist. __________________________________> > Well, maybe with the absence of the other 3 toxins, it won't cause > > itching. But that's a maybe. Was an original "itchy" MS > > person? > > > > I got itchy all over my body and itchy hives on my face with the MS > product..but I can use the basic WIP cream base without a > problem..although I am thinking of asking my doc to get me the

natrual > base instead. I am not thrilled with the thought of OIL drops - as in > olive oil or any other. I am anxious to hear what you think of the OO > mary - if you EVER receive it! And, maybe I am inept, but I am > wondering how one knows they get it to the right place if they put it > up the vagina - or is any old spot okay? Can one use the natural base > cream up there?? This is foreign territory to me..LOL> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/**The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** Madeleen Herreshoff, 62, menopausalBasic WP 2/05; breast cancer twiceDirector CANHELP, Inc.A Cancer Treatment Information and Referral Servicewww.canhelp.com www.cancerconversations.com (a blog in progress)

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>

> Okay..G spot...lol well.... I once read in Cosmo that the G-spot is

> about 3 " up and to the front I believe...HOW do they KNOW this??

>

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Don't you remember that big study they did years ago on the " G " spot?

[Guest guest]

> Don't you remember that big study they did years ago on the " G " spot?

>

>

I might vaguely remember the study - since I've always been happy with

my sex life, I didn't feel the need to remember what was said in order

to optimize my pleasure - and that seemed to be what the G-spot was all

about, right? WHO KNEW it was a place I would be looking for to apply

olive oil to? LOL

[Guest guest]

I recall someone saying you put it on

the " G " spot. And I'm not

> thrilled with using oil believe me. I don't know if you can use

the

> cream in the vagina -- not sure. We'd have to ask the pharmacist.

>

>

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