Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 In a message dated 4/3/03 4:51:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, cbaird@... writes: > Can someone give me their opinion on the use of Plantaren 2000 as the > sole surfactant in a shower gel, and a percantage range to use? Or does > this need another surfactant blended with it for better and thicker > sudsing? Also, if there is a " primer " I could go to on the net to > understand how surfactants interact with each other the way I have been > trying to understand the various emulsifiers that would be super!! > Thanks, Hi , Plantaren 2000, or alkyl polyglucoside, is one of my favorite surfactants. The Herbarie sells different variations and combos. It has a very, very low irritation potential. However, it is not a good foamer when it is used alone. It is typically used with other surfactants. We sell a Polyglycose/Lactylate Surfactant Concentrate at The Herbarie. This concentrate is used on an average of 30% in shampoo formulations. It's a good foamer, good cleanser, and is non-irritating. The lactylates are also very gentle surfactants and were used in the food industry prior to being used in cosmetics. They are excellent foam boosters. You can also use most other surfactants in combo with polyglucose. One that is commonly used is cocamidopropyl betaine. Cocamidopropyl betaine will work synergistically with the polyglucoside to boost foam. We also sell a Cocobetaine/Lactylate Surfactant Concentrate, which is also used on an average of 30% of the shampoo formulation. Our Polyfactant DLS is a combination of disodium laureth sulfosuccinate and decyl polyglucoside---the least irritating surfactant blend on the market (that I am aware of anyway). This blend makes an excellent facial wash or baby wash in addition to use in shampoo/body wash. These concentrates are complete and no other surfactants are needed in the formulation, however they can be combined if desired. The only thing I would recommend using polyglucoside alone for is perhaps a facial wash or a baby wash. If you have some cocamidopropyl betaine, try mixing the two in a 1/1 ratio by weight and see what happens. You could try the same thing with almost any other surfactant that you have on hand. Hope this helps! Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 In a message dated 4/3/03 5:31:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, cbaird@... writes: > Thank you Angie, I have some coco. Betaine so I will mix the two, you > said an average of 30% each so if I use both would that be 60% > altogether? Also, I am using your crothix to thicken, I tried a test > blend last nite and used it at 1.5% and it is too runny for me, what is > the max I could use to thicken? Or I have some Ultramaize, can I use > both of those for a nice thick gel? > > Hi , I would combine the polyglucoside and the cocamidopropyl betaine in a 1/1 ratio. Then try using 30% of the blend in your formulation. You can adjust up or down from that point. The conditioning thickener-crothix can be tricky to use and you will reach the point of diminishing returns rather quickly I have rarely used more than 2% in a shampoo/body wash. I have found that usually 1.5-2% is about right, but you can use more if needed (which I doubt will be the case). The UltraMaize makes a good multipurpose gel. I like using it for body wash up to 5%, but do not recommend using it for shampoo beyond 0.5%-1%. For these surfactants you can't use salt to thicken, but I like using other options anyway. The various gums and starches will thicken these systems also. The ones we sell at The Herbarie are GuarSilk (use in very tiny amounts--0.1%-0.5%) and also VenaSilk. In addition, they boost foam. You can certainly use the conditioning thickener and the UltraMaize together in a formula. The UltraMaize is typically added to the water phase and allowed to thicken before adding the remainder of the ingredients. But it can be added to the finished formulation to thicken it also. Good luck! Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 Can someone give me their opinion on the use of Plantaren 2000 as the sole surfactant in a shower gel, and a percantage range to use? Or does this need another surfactant blended with it for better and thicker sudsing? Also, if there is a " primer " I could go to on the net to understand how surfactants interact with each other the way I have been trying to understand the various emulsifiers that would be super!! Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 Thank you Angie, I have some coco. Betaine so I will mix the two, you said an average of 30% each so if I use both would that be 60% altogether? Also, I am using your crothix to thicken, I tried a test blend last nite and used it at 1.5% and it is too runny for me, what is the max I could use to thicken? Or I have some Ultramaize, can I use both of those for a nice thick gel? Re: Plantaren in shower gel In a message dated 4/3/03 4:51:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, cbaird@... writes: > Can someone give me their opinion on the use of Plantaren 2000 as the > sole surfactant in a shower gel, and a percantage range to use? Or > does this need another surfactant blended with it for better and > thicker sudsing? Also, if there is a " primer " I could go to on the net > to understand how surfactants interact with each other the way I have > been trying to understand the various emulsifiers that would be > super!! Thanks, Hi , Plantaren 2000, or alkyl polyglucoside, is one of my favorite surfactants. The Herbarie sells different variations and combos. It has a very, very low irritation potential. However, it is not a good foamer when it is used alone. It is typically used with other surfactants. We sell a Polyglycose/Lactylate Surfactant Concentrate at The Herbarie. This concentrate is used on an average of 30% in shampoo formulations. It's a good foamer, good cleanser, and is non-irritating. The lactylates are also very gentle surfactants and were used in the food industry prior to being used in cosmetics. They are excellent foam boosters. You can also use most other surfactants in combo with polyglucose. One that is commonly used is cocamidopropyl betaine. Cocamidopropyl betaine will work synergistically with the polyglucoside to boost foam. We also sell a Cocobetaine/Lactylate Surfactant Concentrate, which is also used on an average of 30% of the shampoo formulation. Our Polyfactant DLS is a combination of disodium laureth sulfosuccinate and decyl polyglucoside---the least irritating surfactant blend on the market (that I am aware of anyway). This blend makes an excellent facial wash or baby wash in addition to use in shampoo/body wash. These concentrates are complete and no other surfactants are needed in the formulation, however they can be combined if desired. The only thing I would recommend using polyglucoside alone for is perhaps a facial wash or a baby wash. If you have some cocamidopropyl betaine, try mixing the two in a 1/1 ratio by weight and see what happens. You could try the same thing with almost any other surfactant that you have on hand. Hope this helps! Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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