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I have recently been considering purchasing the new ACT book, and

quite frankly find the ideas I've read about it both most

attractive/potentially liberating and quite scary. For some time I

have suffered from anxiety - primarily social and in more recent

years (pure) obsessive in nature. For a long time I have used

CBT/REBT tools as well as more general self-help motivational

approaches. But after writing ad infinitum in my journal and having

the same conversations with myself about various cognitive

distortions I did begin to wonder whether I was missing something.

This led me to explore other approaches including mindfulness

meditation and constructive living (morita therapy) which are not

premised on controlling unpleasant thoughts/feelings - ACT seems to

take a similar approach. I guess intellectually I've got my head

around these concepts, but I do find the whole idea of a lack of

control (ie acknowledging I'm not in control of certain

thoughts/feelings) hard to accept and I've debated with myself

whether it is helpful to take such an approach. When I have

attempted to embrace it has seemingly led to an increase in my

anxiety levels. Hence I have been in two minds about whether to

purchase the book.

I guess I have had some limited success in controlling some symptoms

of social anxiety (fear of blushing has been a long standing phobia)

and I have strong desire to control such symptoms as I work as a

lawyer and want to present 'professionally'. On the other hand, my

more obsessive anxiety has been largely unresponsive to my attempts

to control it and it is that which has really taught me or started

to teach me the value of accepting and letting be.

On the whole I feel like I do very much live in my head and spend

too much time in an ongoing struggle with symptoms I would rather

not be there. The idea of 'getting out of my head and into my life'

is therefore appealing. However the concept of relinquishing what

vestiges of control I have (sort of) convinced myself that I do have

is somewhat terrifying!

I was hoping that Dr might have some suggestions or comments

in relation to my situation.

regards

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The best ally here is your own pain.

Your mind is asking for reassurance (from me supposedly

but really TO it). But that is the organ that got you in trouble

to begin with! It says "we did that and it made it worse."

Hmmm. But didn't you do what it said in the first place and

didn't THAT make it worse? And have you really done what is

in this book?

Who are you going to believe, you mind or your experience?

It is fine to look at the data. That is a responsible form of

reassurance. On the ACBS website there is a file with all of the ACT data

in it at the bottom of the page

http://www.contextualpsychology.org/en/books_tapes

But after that you have to DO the work and see.

ACT is about getting out of your mind, not convincing it.

So this is a kind of trick: inside literal, evalautive language

explain why I need to do something outside of literal, evaluative langauge

Hmmm

So my questions are just these:

1. does this seem familiar / old / predictable?

2. if so, how has it worked?

3. if it hasn't worked, is enough enough?

No guarantees. Data yes. Guarantees no.

Guarantees are for washing machines, not human lives

I struggled with anxiety for many years. Been there.

I feel for you. If reassurance would really help, man, I'd do it.

As for my best attempt to help ... well, that is the book

- S

C.

Foundation Professor

Department of Psychology /298

University of Nevada

Reno, NV 89557-0062

Office: x2005 (don’t leave messages there … I mostly work from home,

esp. now that I have a new baby. Email me instead.)

Email: hayes@...

Context Press (you can use this for messages as well):

Fax:

Home:

Home fax: Use the Context Press line. It will automatically detect incoming faxes.

Cell (please use sparingly):

Relevant websites:

www.contextualpsychology.org (this one will soon subsume the ACT and RFT websites below; if you want my vita,

or publications from me, or PowerPoint slides, etc etc please carefully check out this site first. Go to my

blog and to the publications list etc. Given the flow of emails, I need all the help I can get. Thanks in advance.)

www.acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy.com

www.relationalframetheory.com

www.contextpress.com

www.unr.edu/psych then click on faculty pages

From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of dfnicholson71Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:32 PMTo: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: Would ACT be helpful?

I have recently been considering purchasing the new ACT book, and quite frankly find the ideas I've read about it both most attractive/potentially liberating and quite scary. For some time I have suffered from anxiety - primarily social and in more recent years (pure) obsessive in nature. For a long time I have used CBT/REBT tools as well as more general self-help motivational approaches. But after writing ad infinitum in my journal and having the same conversations with myself about various cognitive distortions I did begin to wonder whether I was missing something. This led me to explore other approaches including mindfulness meditation and constructive living (morita therapy) which are not premised on controlling unpleasant thoughts/feelings - ACT seems to take a similar approach. I guess intellectually I've got my head around these concepts, but I do find the whole idea of a lack of control (ie acknowledging I'm not in control of certain thoughts/feelings) hard to accept and I've debated with myself whether it is helpful to take such an approach. When I have attempted to embrace it has seemingly led to an increase in my anxiety levels. Hence I have been in two minds about whether to purchase the book. I guess I have had some limited success in controlling some symptoms of social anxiety (fear of blushing has been a long standing phobia) and I have strong desire to control such symptoms as I work as a lawyer and want to present 'professionally'. On the other hand, my more obsessive anxiety has been largely unresponsive to my attempts to control it and it is that which has really taught me or started to teach me the value of accepting and letting be. On the whole I feel like I do very much live in my head and spend too much time in an ongoing struggle with symptoms I would rather not be there. The idea of 'getting out of my head and into my life' is therefore appealing. However the concept of relinquishing what vestiges of control I have (sort of) convinced myself that I do have is somewhat terrifying! I was hoping that Dr might have some suggestions or comments in relation to my situation.regards

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Thanks Steve,

In the meantime my mind had come up with a number of other

objections, but I don't think its necessary to pursue them. I found

your reply helpful and also referred to an interview of yours with

New Harbinger on the link you sent.

I guess the way my mind has worked till now has been to find ways to

eliminate/manage/reduce/deal with unwanted anxiety symptoms

(physical/mental). I've therefore been comfortable with approaches

that suggest this is a worthwhile and possible endeavour. I've

certainly been able to cope with life relatively well and do things

like public speaking etc that I've been afraid of. But I found that

anxiety also branched out into other ways that were less easy to

control. I also don't feel like I've really moved forward all that

much in this whole undertaking over the years despite my best

efforts ... I still feel stuck in my head and engaged in a

frustrating ongoing war of attrition against unwanted anxious

thoughts & feelings.

So - in answer to your question - no it hasn't worked, I am still

living in my head more than my life oftentimes and it does feel like

enough is enough.

My next step is clear - read the book and put it into practice,

which I've decided to do regardless of my mind's most informed and

panicked objections! So I'll save any more questions until after

I've done or at least started that!

regards

>

> The best ally here is your own pain.

>

> Your mind is asking for reassurance (from me supposedly

> but really TO it). But that is the organ that got you in trouble

> to begin with! It says " we did that and it made it worse. "

> Hmmm. But didn't you do what it said in the first place and

> didn't THAT make it worse? And have you really done what is

> in this book?

>

> Who are you going to believe, you mind or your experience?

>

> It is fine to look at the data. That is a responsible form of

> reassurance. On the ACBS website there is a file with all of the

ACT data

> in it at the bottom of the page

>

> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/en/books_tapes

>

> But after that you have to DO the work and see.

> ACT is about getting out of your mind, not convincing it.

> So this is a kind of trick: inside literal, evalautive language

> explain why I need to do something outside of literal, evaluative

langauge

>

> Hmmm

>

> So my questions are just these:

>

> 1. does this seem familiar / old / predictable?

> 2. if so, how has it worked?

> 3. if it hasn't worked, is enough enough?

>

> No guarantees. Data yes. Guarantees no.

> Guarantees are for washing machines, not human lives

>

> I struggled with anxiety for many years. Been there.

> I feel for you. If reassurance would really help, man, I'd do it.

> As for my best attempt to help ... well, that is the book

>

> - S

>

>

> C.

>

> Foundation Professor

>

> Department of Psychology /298

>

> University of Nevada

>

> Reno, NV 89557-0062

>

>

>

> Office: x2005 (don't leave messages there . I

mostly work

> from home,

>

> esp. now that I have a new baby. Email me instead.)

>

> Email: hayes@u...

>

> Context Press (you can use this for messages as well): (775) 746-

2013

>

> Fax:

>

> Home:

>

> Home fax: Use the Context Press line. It will automatically detect

incoming

> faxes.

>

> Cell (please use sparingly):

>

> Relevant websites:

>

> www.contextualpsychology.org

<http://www.contextualpsychology.org/> (this

> one will soon subsume the ACT and RFT websites below; if you want

my vita,

>

> or publications from me, or PowerPoint slides, etc etc

please

> carefully check out this site first. Go to my

>

> blog and to the publications list etc. Given the flow

of emails,

> I need all the help I can get. Thanks in advance.)

>

> www.acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy.com

> <outbind://212/www.acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy.com>

>

> www.relationalframetheory.com

<outbind://212/www.relationalframetheory.com>

>

> www.contextpress.com <outbind://212/www.contextpress.com>

>

> www.unr.edu/psych <outbind://212/www.unr.edu/psych> then click on

faculty

> pages

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: ACT_for_the_Public

> [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of

dfnicholson71

> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:32 PM

> To: ACT_for_the_Public

> Subject: Would ACT be helpful?

>

>

> I have recently been considering purchasing the new ACT book, and

> quite frankly find the ideas I've read about it both most

> attractive/potentially liberating and quite scary. For some time

I

> have suffered from anxiety - primarily social and in more recent

> years (pure) obsessive in nature. For a long time I have used

> CBT/REBT tools as well as more general self-help motivational

> approaches. But after writing ad infinitum in my journal and

having

> the same conversations with myself about various cognitive

> distortions I did begin to wonder whether I was missing

something.

> This led me to explore other approaches including mindfulness

> meditation and constructive living (morita therapy) which are not

> premised on controlling unpleasant thoughts/feelings - ACT seems

to

> take a similar approach. I guess intellectually I've got my head

> around these concepts, but I do find the whole idea of a lack of

> control (ie acknowledging I'm not in control of certain

> thoughts/feelings) hard to accept and I've debated with myself

> whether it is helpful to take such an approach. When I have

> attempted to embrace it has seemingly led to an increase in my

> anxiety levels. Hence I have been in two minds about whether to

> purchase the book.

>

> I guess I have had some limited success in controlling some

symptoms

> of social anxiety (fear of blushing has been a long standing

phobia)

> and I have strong desire to control such symptoms as I work as a

> lawyer and want to present 'professionally'. On the other hand,

my

> more obsessive anxiety has been largely unresponsive to my

attempts

> to control it and it is that which has really taught me or started

> to teach me the value of accepting and letting be.

>

> On the whole I feel like I do very much live in my head and spend

> too much time in an ongoing struggle with symptoms I would rather

> not be there. The idea of 'getting out of my head and into my

life'

> is therefore appealing. However the concept of relinquishing what

> vestiges of control I have (sort of) convinced myself that I do

have

> is somewhat terrifying!

>

> I was hoping that Dr might have some suggestions or comments

> in relation to my situation.

>

> regards

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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