Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Peggy, do you think if you had used more OO and more often you would have had better results??? I tried the OO and found I needed to use it every 4hrs. and needed more of it to work. Maybe by the time you did your labs, you were low, and ready for more....seems the OO may not hangout in our fat long....no binding chems lurking, lol.....so more and more often, may or may not be the key there. I hope the OO girls out there will see your results, and keep that oil flowing :-)))) keep us posted, good try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Peggy,I hear you on wanting to find a stable plateau...and for each product it seems to vary. It sounds like you tried your best with the OO...I did too, maybe in time we will unravel some of the how's and why's with all of this...so glad this is an OPEN forum now for all to share their do's don't, been there, dun that's, thanks for your sharing with us...we all keep learning together eah!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Peggy, was the P blood level for your day 12, or day 21????? 1.? is Good for day 12 P. :-))))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 hi just wanted to let you know that after almost 11 months of using wip hormones my blood levels are 79 for estradiol drops for day ll and using two drops BID extra per day and for progesterone 1.7 for day day. I have switched to MP hormones and will be testing them soon. I can't tell you how disappointed I am in the results of the WIP hormones. I initially used them because their price was so much cheaper than others I checked out. But you get what you pay for once again. My doctor has concerns because I have had thickening of my uterus also. It could be caused by dribbling effects of E. Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Peggy...where are MP hormones coming from?? We need a dictionary here! Thanks Lynn > I have switched to MP hormones and will be testing them soon. > > I can't tell you how disappointed I am in the results of the WIP > hormones. I initially used them because their price was so much > cheaper than others I checked out. But you get what you pay for once > again. > > My doctor has concerns because I have had thickening of my uterus > also. It could be caused by dribbling effects of E. > > Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 , Just to clarify MP stands for Medicine Shoppe Pharmacy, sorry for not clarifying earlier. I did the bloodwork 4 hours after application of olive oil (by the way this bloodwork cost nearly $500 to have done at local hospital!!!! Still waiting to resolve this issue with insurance). I also tried spreading application throughout the day; never feeling like hormones stayed with me. As I indicated, I added 2 drops bid throughout the month, would also use extra drops to stop headaches. So I guess it comes down to how much is enough? I would really like this protocol to work. I very much want to find a stable level where I don't feel need to constantly do blood work. I don't have a problem with having to tweak doses; just want to find that plateau. I was never able to maintain a 28 day cycle on WIP hormones. Last cycle was only 21 days!! Tried adjusting E and P to no avail. I'm giving the MSP hormones about three months, testing blood and is still not where I should be I'll have to seriously consider whether to continue this protocol. As I mentioned my doc is concerned about uterine thickening, she blames this on the estrogen. With the exception of these websites there really is no one to go to with concerns. Med professionals are not really up on this nor seem particularly supportive. So thanks for all your responses as we continue to share our stories/thoughts/concerns. Peggy > Peggy, do you think if you had used more OO and more often you would have > had better results??? I tried the OO and found I needed to use it every 4hrs. > and needed more of it to work. Maybe by the time you did your labs, you were > low, and ready for more....seems the OO may not hangout in our fat long....no > binding chems lurking, lol.....so more and more often, may or may not be the > key there. I hope the OO girls out there will see your results, and keep that > oil flowing :-)))) keep us posted, good try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Peggy...Thanks for the explanation. I'm thinking if the oo isn't even holding 4 hours and drops you to the 70s then it's got to be causing flucuations all day long. I tried oo and really like it but didn't blood test that month. I'm out now and back on MS or MP stuff. I just started with a new doctor that here's hoping will be easier to experiment with different places and bases. She's on cyclical E and is presently on Bill Atlmiller's (sp?) $300/month stuff. She raved about yesterday when we talked. I don't want to go that expensive route unless there's no choice. She's gonna write the script of oo for me and i'll give it an honest try of 1 month and test to see. But she also said it didn't work for her either. Anyhow you're rigth this is the only place there is to try and figure this stuff out. Vliet's book help a lot though with the why's of it all. Bye Lynn > > , > Just to clarify MP stands for Medicine Shoppe Pharmacy, sorry for > not clarifying earlier. > > I did the bloodwork 4 hours after application of olive oil (by the > way this bloodwork cost nearly $500 to have done at local > hospital!!!! Still waiting to resolve this issue with insurance). > > I also tried spreading application throughout the day; never feeling > like hormones stayed with me. As I indicated, I added 2 drops bid > throughout the month, would also use extra drops to stop headaches. > > So I guess it comes down to how much is enough? I would really like > this protocol to work. I very much want to find a stable level > where I don't feel need to constantly do blood work. I don't have a > problem with having to tweak doses; just want to find that plateau. > I was never able to maintain a 28 day cycle on WIP hormones. Last > cycle was only 21 days!! Tried adjusting E and P to no avail. > > I'm giving the MSP hormones about three months, testing blood and is > still not where I should be I'll have to seriously consider whether > to continue this protocol. As I mentioned my doc is concerned about > uterine thickening, she blames this on the estrogen. > > With the exception of these websites there really is no one to go to > with concerns. Med professionals are not really up on this nor seem > particularly supportive. So thanks for all your responses as we > continue to share our stories/thoughts/concerns. > Peggy > > Peggy, do you think if you had used more OO and more often you > would have > > had better results??? I tried the OO and found I needed to use it > every 4hrs. > > and needed more of it to work. Maybe by the time you did your > labs, you were > > low, and ready for more....seems the OO may not hangout in our fat > long....no > > binding chems lurking, lol.....so more and more often, may or may > not be the > > key there. I hope the OO girls out there will see your results, > and keep that > > oil flowing :-)))) keep us posted, good try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 were you on olive oil drops from WIP. I am still waiting for my results on OO! madeleenpeggyshold wrote: hijust wanted to let you know that after almost 11 months of using wip hormones my blood levels are 79 for estradiol drops for day ll and using two drops BID extra per day and for progesterone 1.7 for day day.I have switched to MP hormones and will be testing them soon.I can't tell you how disappointed I am in the results of the WIP hormones. I initially used them because their price was so much cheaper than others I checked out. But you get what you pay for once again.My doctor has concerns because I have had thickening of my uterus also. It could be caused by dribbling effects of E. Peggyclick here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/Our sister group for research and high volumehttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhythmic_Living_Research/**This group has no pharmacy or commercial affiliations. Any mention of product or a pharmacy is within the scope of that group member's experience and does not represent the view of the list owner. Please check directly with pharmacies for details about their product and policies. Not everything you hear on an e-mail list is the truth even if it is a member's best effort to report their experience which may vary from your own. There are many variables that determine how we feel.*****The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice. Anyone wishing to actively use this information or members' opionins for personal health improvement is advised to consult with the qualified health care provider of their choice before attempting to use the information. Membership on this list constitutes agreement that you will not consider any of this medical advice. Discuss your decisions with your doctor.** Madeleen Herreshoff, 62, menopausalBasic WP 2/05; breast cancer twiceDirector CANHELP, Inc.A Cancer Treatment Information and Referral Servicewww.canhelp.com www.cancerconversations.com (a blog in progress)__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 I was on WIP hormones for over a year before switching to WP in Sept of 2003. Originally I used SYP and after I crashed during the summer with the switch in base I changed to MS because Susie certified the pharmacy and I wanted someone overseeing the product I was using. AFter only a few months on MS my E2 was 476 for the first time in years on day 12. My E2 on day 21 was in the 300's and my P was too low. My P is still lagging but I am bleeding for 5 days each month and have been all along. I am on double E and original P, along with Testosterone BID and cortef 5 mg. X 4. The last two items were added in Sept 2004 which helped tremendously. Last month I added 2 lines of p to the last two weeks of my cycle and my period came two days late, but the spotting I had before was less. I felt horrible however so I am still experimenting with my P. I had an ultrasound after the first year on the protocol and my fibroids had gotten smaller, breasts are less lumpy, and all other blood levels were great. I am more alert, sleeping better and more energetic. I am eating a higher protein, some good fats and little to no sugar and carbs diet, which also helped. I am also going to sleep earlier when I can. My E2 runs out by about 4 pm and sometimes I add 2 lines at that time to get me through the day. In addition I may need more when I am stressed. My advice is to read what others have done, ask lots of questions and keep readjusting until you get the lab results you need. Also, pay attention to how you feel. Good luck! Suzanne in Baltimore 51, all parts physical therapist -------------- Original message -------------- hijust wanted to let you know that after almost 11 months of using wip hormones my blood levels are 79 for estradiol drops for day ll and using two drops BID extra per day and for progesterone 1.7 for day day.I have switched to MP hormones and will be testing them soon.I can't tell you how disappointed I am in the results of the WIP hormones. I initially used them because their price was so much cheaper than others I checked out. But you get what you pay for once again.My doctor has concerns because I have had thickening of my uterus also. It could be caused by dribbling effects of E. Peggyclick here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/Our sister group for research and high volumehttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhythmic_Living_Research/**This group has no pharmacy or commercial affiliations. Any mention of product or a pharmacy is within the scope of that group member's experience and does not represent the view of the list owner. Please check directly with pharmacies for details about their product and policies. Not everything you hear on an e-mail list is the truth even if it is a member's best effort to report their experience which may vary from your own. There are many variables that determine how we feel.*****The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice. Anyone wishing to actively use this information or members' opionins for personal health improvement is advised to consult with the qualified health care provider of their choice before attempting to use the information. Membership on this list constitutes agreement that you will not consider any of this medical advice. Discuss your decisions with your doctor.** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 hi > just wanted to let you know that after almost 11 months of using wip > hormones my blood levels are 79 for estradiol drops for day ll and > using two drops BID extra per day and for progesterone 1.7 for day day. > > I have switched to MP hormones and will be testing them soon. > > I can't tell you how disappointed I am in the results of the WIP > hormones. I initially used them because their price was so much > cheaper than others I checked out. But you get what you pay for once > again. > > My doctor has concerns because I have had thickening of my uterus > also. It could be caused by dribbling effects of E. > > Peggy > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > Our sister group for research and high volume > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhythmic_Living_Research/ > > **This group has no pharmacy or commercial affiliations. Any mention of product or a pharmacy is within the scope of that group member's experience and does not represent the view of the list owner. Please check directly with pharmacies for details about their product and policies. Not everything you hear on an e-mail list is the truth even if it is a member's best effort to report their experience which may vary from your own. There are many variables that determine how we feel.*** > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice. Anyone wishing to actively use this information or members' opionins for personal health improvement is advised to consult with the qualified health care provider of their choice before attempting to use the information. Membership on this list constitutes agreement that you will not consider any of this medical advice. Discuss your decisions with your doctor.** > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 --- In rhythmicliving , Nuimom@a... wrote , P blood level was for day 21. Peggy > Peggy, was the P blood level for your day 12, or day 21????? 1.? is Good for > day 12 P. :-))))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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