Re: tnx & remarks from a newbie

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Its me again, answering myself!

Forgot that little word "not" in this sentence! (NOT take unopposed estrogen!)

>snip> But I now want to do a lot more info seeking on this P subject before I start supplementing with it....and...as a bc survivor, I think I want to be taking low dose unopposed estrogen, so I'm staying in "study mode" for a bit here until I get more up to speed on current info on this subject.

Katy

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Thanks so much Katy, your comment is very much appreciated by all of us. And thanks for doing your own deep thinking . We can always "use" people like you, but we love and accept everybody wanting to "find their way", putting in their own work effort.and we're happy if any of what we mention in posts, can help "ring a bell".

Charlotte.

if the P isn't showing up in serum tests, nor in saliva tests, reliably...then internal tissue sampling would almost have to be the other definitive test, eh? Makes me wonder if there isn't already good research on this, using mice or some animal? Surely the depo-provera mfg, or other progestin mfg did research on this? I've often found animal biology research lends a lot when I research bc topics. Sounds reasonable the mfg of the other progestins surely did have to "Prove" some stuff about liver toxicity, renal accumulations, bladder dumpings, allergic reactions with immune antibodies treating it as antigen, on and on...I thought ALL "drugs" had to do this to get FDA approval? I'll do some looking into this too, as time permits. Maybe animal studies can help us know where the excess P is hiding.

Katy

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Katy

You have some interesting ideas. I agree that the best way to fool mother

nature would be to be hormonally as if pregnant.. but that would involve

taking mega-doses of E and P, beyond the amounts people on the WP are

using!

At 04:16 PM 5/10/2005 -0500, you wrote:

I'm reading posts, site info, books, etc.

as fast as I can. I've bent Lynne's private ear a bit. I have

lots to yet learn; learn to the point I really know, without having to go

look it up in reference material. What I expect, why, when, how,

and can discuss it with my doc so she can't browbeat me out of what

is best for me, or into some foolish/toxic protocol she may offer or deem

best. And I'm very grateful for the time you women spend, sharing

your experiences and knowledge: the posts, the charts, the

research, the web sites.... Its a treasure.

I'm also grateful I've somehow arrived at

this during this WP P-dosing discussion phase. My land, that lady

Suzie sounds to me like she's somehow allowed herself to get put into a

position of defending what seems to be a major glitch in her theory,

defending it by ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist. We all

know that won't work, not long-term anyway. But I now

want to do a lot more info seeking on this P subject before I start

supplementing with it....and...as a bc survivor, I think I want to be

taking low dose unopposed estrogen, so I'm staying in " study

mode " for a bit here until I get more up to speed on current info on

this subject. I'll mostly lurk and probably comment little,

meanwhile. But as many have been kind enough to offer

replies/remarks to me, I didn't want to not thank you. I know it

aggravates me, in my breast cancer group when newbies come in, ask tons

of questions and never share back how/what they are doing or if we've

helped them. So, pls feel thanked by me, and I'll continue to mostly

lurk. I'm sure that within another month or two I'll feel

comfortable to jump into experimenting with actual

supplementing.

Its funny how some simple thoughts have

impressed me. For example: a post here, or a copy/pasted

research (I forgot the who/when) said that historically, women had very

FEW periods because they were either pregnant or nursing most of their

reproductive life. What impressed me about this is: if we're

really recognizing that we ARE trying to fool mother nature with hormone

supplementing, maybe we should be really trying to convince her we're

pregnant, not just an ovulating female? I have no idea what/which

hormones levels s/b for pregnancy, but that's on my list of stuff to

learn. Maybe Suzie in SLM even says something about this? If

she did, I forgot it. What impressed me most about SLM was the idea

of the four times extra trips around the sun we all have made, without

thinking about it due to our society norms. I'm sure she's right on

that. So, if we've internally aged ourselves way beyond our

chronological years, and our " saving grace " is to fool mother

nature with bioidentical hormone supplementation, doesn't being

pregnant seem to trump ovulating?

....and another subject: if the P

isn't showing up in serum tests, nor in saliva tests, reliably...then

internal tissue sampling would almost have to be the other definitive

test, eh? Makes me wonder if there isn't already good research on

this, using mice or some animal? Surely the depo-provera mfg, or

other progestin mfg did research on this? I've often found animal

biology research lends a lot when I research bc topics. Sounds reasonable

the mfg of the other progestins surely did have to " Prove " some

stuff about liver toxicity, renal accumulations, bladder dumpings,

allergic reactions with immune antibodies treating it as antigen, on and

on...I thought ALL " drugs " had to do this to get FDA

approval? I'll do some looking into this too, as time

permits. Maybe animal studies can help us know where the excess P

is hiding.

Katy

click here for our webpage

http://rhythmicliving.com/

Our sister group for research and high volume

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhythmic_Living_Research/

**This group has no pharmacy or commercial affiliations. Any

mention of product or a pharmacy is within the scope of that group

member's experience and does not represent the view of the list owner.

Please check directly with pharmacies for details about their product and

policies. Not everything you hear on an e-mail list is the truth even if

it is a member's best effort to report their experience which may vary

from your own. There are many variables that determine how we

feel.***

**The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended

as medical advice. Anyone wishing to actively use this information

or members' opionins for personal health improvement is advised to

consult with the qualified health care provider of their choice before

attempting to use the information. Membership on this list constitutes

agreement that you will not consider any of this medical advice.

Discuss your decisions with your doctor.**