Re: half life of P - (itching)

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Well I was prescribed once a day dosing with cream. Absolutely. So

I guess that's why I was still getting flashes!

> > > , I think our E needs change, as we change.....stress, P

> > overload, lots

> > > of things....I seem to be needing less E as some of the P

weakens

> > in me a

> > > bit.... I was caught up in an escalating E & P battle as it

were.

> > When I first

> > > got on the protocol in SLM, I seemed to do quite well on 4mgs.

E

> > BID....but

> > > the more I did the higher doses of P the more E I required to

> > balance all that

> > > P.....I was turning into an E sponge, and was feeling my body

was

> > about to

> > > freek on so many of both. This is a cleansing month, a fast if

> > you will.....my

> > > little body is thanking me. I was getting to where I needed up

> to

> > 12mgs BID

> > > of E, that's wrong in my eyes. I have got myself down to 7mgs.

> > BID also. This

> > > maybe too much still, but it is coming down to a more

reasonable

> > place. I

> > > feel over the next month or two, I'l be able to be at 4mgs.

BID

> > for a base....as

> > > long as I'm not doing those massive amounts of P.....I never

> felt

> > healthy on

> > > more than 4P.....and that by transdermal standards is to

> high...a

> > dose of

> > > 25-50mgs. a day, not even BID is what is usually used. If I go

> > with this ratio,

> > > I will not need even that 4mgs. E to do it's job.....I'm still

in

> > a thinking

> > > and sorting out stage with all of this.....been talking with

as

> > many Drs.

> > > and Pharamcists as I can, and that is where these conclusions

> have

> > lead me to

> > > at the present. So go with care, keep being good to yourself

and

> > your body

> > > will reward you, it is so nice to feel good......that balance.

We

> > all have

> > > different E & P needs, that's what make me look at the

protocol

> to

> > start with,

> > > could be used as a guide....then altered to my, NOT one dose

fits

> > all body

> > > :-)))) thanks for sharing your GOOD day with us, makes me

smile,

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm at the same place, . Since I am still itching, I'm not using anything today, and who knows, I may start on only 2 lines E by tomorrow, see how that goes, taking baby steps now even with E, because of possible late repercussion of (too much) E in the P-phase. My doctor warns me that it's "dangerous" to go off the WP dosing, and I told him it's dangerous to stay on it. He still prescribed the drops for me.

, when you go on your cruise, try to have fun, that will help. But also take E and P with you and

"be flexible" and trust your intuition or/and pray!

Love, Charlotte

Re: half life of P - (itching)

Yes! Me and that cruise! WEll unfortunately we are back to square one now. Trying to figure what doses make us feel good! Damn! > Are you going > > to do peaks too? Or just do 4mg (BID) from Day 1 -14? > > > > (that sounds like a nice dose, doesn't it?) > > > > > Oh boy! You are REALLY looking for someone to throw you a line here, > aren't you? I would say use your E 4 -6 mg BID if that makes > you feel well and don't worry so much about the P for one month..that > will not kill you or be the end of the world to use very little for > just one month, and meanwhile it will get you thru the cruise nicely. > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/Our sister group for research and high volumehttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhythmic_Living_Research/**This group has no pharmacy or commercial affiliations. Any mention of product or a pharmacy is within the scope of that group member's experience and does not represent the view of the list owner. Please check directly with pharmacies for details about their product and policies. Not everything you hear on an e-mail list is the truth even if it is a member's best effort to report their experience which may vary from your own. There are many variables that determine how we feel.*****The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice. Anyone wishing to actively use this information or members' opionins for personal health improvement is advised to consult with the qualified health care provider of their choice before attempting to use the information. Membership on this list constitutes agreement that you will not consider any of this medical advice. Discuss your decisions with your doctor.**

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The E2 gel I use is 1.5mg/once a day. I rub it into my fat. This month I'm doing 300 mg Prometrium for 12 days. Next month I'll go back to 200 mg Prometrium for 10-12 days.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Hi Val -- the 100 mg of P I took was a troche and it was once a day. With that and 5 mgs a day of E (cream from another pharmacy), I would get my period at Day 21 which was annoying. But it really wasn't a period -- it was more like a 3 day thing that wasn't any surge - not exactly spotting. So the 5 mgs a day I don't think was enough. What about your doses below? Are we talking BID?

[Guest guest]

Yes I see that. I will continue to do that.

Thanks. M

>

> In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:24:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Astrodiana@c... writes:

>

> Rarely, IF EVER have I seen anyone prescribed once a day dosing with

> E...I think trasdermally, you need it twice a day.

>

>

>

>

>

> even with an oral dose, 12 hrs. and the blood levels start to

dip......I was

> told BID was the way to go, for either oral or transdermal.

[Guest guest]

Oh great! Now I have to pray?? What next! LOL! Well, let me ask

you this. What did you doc mean it was dangerous to go off the WP?

By way of going off cold turkey? Is that dangerous? What do you

mean?

> > Are you going

> > > to do peaks too? Or just do 4mg (BID) from Day 1 -14?

> >

> >

> > > (that sounds like a nice dose, doesn't it?)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Oh boy! You are REALLY looking for someone to throw you a

line here,

> > aren't you? I would say use your E 4 -6 mg BID if

that makes

> > you feel well and don't worry so much about the P for one

month..that

> > will not kill you or be the end of the world to use very

little for

> > just one month, and meanwhile it will get you thru the cruise

> nicely.

> >

>

>

>

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> Our sister group for research and high volume

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhythmic_Living_Research/

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[Guest guest]

And how are you feeling?

>

> The E2 gel I use is 1.5mg/once a day. I rub it into my fat. This

month I'm

> doing 300 mg Prometrium for 12 days. Next month I'll go back to

200 mg

> Prometrium for 10-12 days.

>

> Val

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

>

>

> Hi Val -- the 100 mg of P I took was a troche and it was once a

day.

> With that and 5 mgs a day of E (cream from another pharmacy), I

> would get my period at Day 21 which was annoying. But it really

> wasn't a period -- it was more like a 3 day thing that wasn't any

> surge - not exactly spotting. So the 5 mgs a day I don't think

was

> enough. What about your doses below? Are we talking BID?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm feeling pretty well but am having night sweats beginning at about 4 a.m. For the first year on E2 gel, I had no sweats. They started the 2nd year. I may go up on the gel after this P routine is done.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of And how are you feeling? > > The E2 gel I use is 1.5mg/once a day. I rub it into my fat. This month I'm> doing 300 mg Prometrium for 12 days. Next month I'll go back to 200 mg> Prometrium for 10-12 days.

[Guest guest]

I hope we can all get it right!

> >

> > The E2 gel I use is 1.5mg/once a day. I rub it into my fat.

This

> month I'm

> > doing 300 mg Prometrium for 12 days. Next month I'll go back

to

> 200 mg

> > Prometrium for 10-12 days.

[Guest guest]

This will be an interesting experiment. However, 200 mg of oral P is nowhere near the transdermal P levels of the WP. Also, oral P is not the same as saturating the fat as in transdermal P.

Val

Val, I got blood levels of 40 with 100mgs. micronized WIP P....my blood levels with 18L'sP cream was 7.7...so better to have all that P in the blood. The report I just read, WIP sent it to me years ago, stated that blood levels were sustained 36 hrs after a 5-day loading dose.This was in the oral P...

[Guest guest]

I am feeling very well on the Prometrium. That actually surprises me.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Nuimom@...

This> month I'm> > doing 300 mg Prometrium for 12 days. Next month I'll go back to> 200 mg> > Prometrium for 10-12 days.

WHY????? for 10-12 days, couldn't ya just make a peak one day and be done with it??? Just a thought. Then back to your "happy" place???

[Guest guest]

Did you ever not feel good on

Prometrium?

Laurel

From:

rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Valarie

Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:49

PM

To: rhythmicliving

Subject: RE: Re:

half life of P - (itching)

I am feeling very well on the

Prometrium. That actually surprises me.

Val

[Guest guest]

Perhaps, but I remember having the sweats before I started the monthly Prometrium.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Nuimom@...

Val sounds like the extra 100mgs. of P was enough to throw your E off balance, now the night sweats...

[Guest guest]

The first two months (Jan-Feb), I thought I was going to burst out of my body. My nerves were horrible. HOWEVER, during that time, I was also recovering from a bad trial of Armour and prescription potassium. I think I was OD'd on potassium. My potassium falls when I try to take Armour. My doc tested and gave me and RX but I think it was too much.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Laurel

Did you ever not feel good on Prometrium?

[Guest guest]

We all felt well on the Progesterone doses at first..., too So enjoy it while you can, knowing that it is still high.

Charlotte

RE: Re: half life of P - (itching)

I am feeling very well on the Prometrium. That actually surprises me.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Nuimom@...

This> month I'm> > doing 300 mg Prometrium for 12 days. Next month I'll go back to> 200 mg> > Prometrium for 10-12 days.

WHY????? for 10-12 days, couldn't ya just make a peak one day and be done with it??? Just a thought. Then back to your "happy" place??? click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/Our sister group for research and high volumehttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhythmic_Living_Research/**This group has no pharmacy or commercial affiliations. Any mention of product or a pharmacy is within the scope of that group member's experience and does not represent the view of the list owner. Please check directly with pharmacies for details about their product and policies. Not everything you hear on an e-mail list is the truth even if it is a member's best effort to report their experience which may vary from your own. There are many variables that determine how we feel.*****The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice. Anyone wishing to actively use this information or members' opionins for personal health improvement is advised to consult with the qualified health care provider of their choice before attempting to use the information. Membership on this list constitutes agreement that you will not consider any of this medical advice. Discuss your decisions with your doctor.**

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This will be an interesting experiment. However, 200 mg of oral P is nowhere near the transdermal P levels of the WP. Also, oral P is not the same as saturating the fat as in transdermal P.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Mcharlot

We all felt well on the Progesterone doses at first..., too So enjoy it while you can, knowing that it is still high.

Charlotte

[Guest guest]

I think he was just repeating what Susie had told him. I think he spoke to Susie because Caren must have "warned" him of those dosage graphs on our RL site, and because I asked him to give me a prescription for the oo, and he didn't know what they were, and me xplaining him he was concerned and must have wanted "reassurance" from Susie, also (about my having heard of) Susie lowering the P to one half of what's in the WP, which she categorically denied. Anyway, my doctor is with me because he understands I cannot expose myself to any more suffering and changes in my skin (massive small acne eruptions) and nerves

(insomnia). So he's willing to let me try but wants my dosage chart to look at. Why not. He also confirmed my right to take responsibility for my own body and well being the way I f e e l its best according to my experience...

Charlotte

Re: half life of P - (itching)

Oh great! Now I have to pray?? What next! LOL! Well, let me ask you this. What did you doc mean it was dangerous to go off the WP? By way of going off cold turkey? Is that dangerous? What do you mean? > > Are you going > > > to do peaks too? Or just do 4mg (BID) from Day 1 -14? > > > > > > > (that sounds like a nice dose, doesn't it?) > > > > > > > > > > Oh boy! You are REALLY looking for someone to throw you a line here, > > aren't you? I would say use your E 4 -6 mg BID if that makes > > you feel well and don't worry so much about the P for one month..that > > will not kill you or be the end of the world to use very little for > > just one month, and meanwhile it will get you thru the cruise > nicely. > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/> > Our sister group for research and high volume> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhythmic_Living_Research/> > **This group has no pharmacy or commercial affiliations. Any mention of product or a pharmacy is within the scope of that group member's experience and does not represent the view of the list owner. Please check directly with pharmacies for details about their product and policies. Not everything you hear on an e-mail list is the truth even if it is a member's best effort to report their experience which may vary from your own. There are many variables that determine how we feel.***> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice. Anyone wishing to actively use this information or members' opionins for personal health improvement is advised to consult with the qualified health care provider of their choice before attempting to use the information. Membership on this list constitutes agreement that you will not consider any of this medical advice. Discuss your decisions with your doctor.** > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>

[Guest guest]

Right you are! I forgot that. Vliet said between 100 and 200 oral, respectively 20-40 transdermal would be the normal average.

Charlotte

RE: Re: half life of P - (itching)

This will be an interesting experiment. However, 200 mg of oral P is nowhere near the transdermal P levels of the WP. Also, oral P is not the same as saturating the fat as in transdermal P.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Mcharlot

We all felt well on the Progesterone doses at first..., too So enjoy it while you can, knowing that it is still high.

Charlotte

click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/Our sister group for research and high volumehttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhythmic_Living_Research/**This group has no pharmacy or commercial affiliations. Any mention of product or a pharmacy is within the scope of that group member's experience and does not represent the view of the list owner. Please check directly with pharmacies for details about their product and policies. Not everything you hear on an e-mail list is the truth even if it is a member's best effort to report their experience which may vary from your own. There are many variables that determine how we feel.*****The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice. Anyone wishing to actively use this information or members' opionins for personal health improvement is advised to consult with the qualified health care provider of their choice before attempting to use the information. Membership on this list constitutes agreement that you will not consider any of this medical advice. Discuss your decisions with your doctor.**