Yippie!! I did it! - Success!

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Dear "motley crowd", all you sweet women

striving for better (hormone-) health,

before I start catching up on reading the last 24 hours of you gals posting, I must tell you the fabulous news for me, and maybe encouraging for some of you who are still trying to get to "first base" of your "home run". Hear Yee:

"Punctually, on day 29" of this month

I got my period back!!!

- I still can't believe it. -

For most of you, younger than me and still/again cycling, that's no big deal, but for me it is!

When I started on BHRT, I had been postmenopausal for 15 years. SLM had convinced me that it was good and healthy to get my period back, although some reports said it would be unlikely to do after 13 years.

Like many of us Old-bies I suffered a lot in the first 3 and 4 months with all kinds of allergies, itching and insomnia, acne and other skin eruptions and massive discoloration - a lot of trial and error since starting on the Wilie Protocol. Every now and then though, I had a few good days, no complaints, and a good amount of energy - but I was tortured with doubts, because the lining in my uterus was supposedly building up, and I had still no period inspite of 8 lines max Progesterone, and I was afraid of (never had) cancer.

After 4 1/2 months, when the reaction against P became so bad even with 1 single line of P, I gave up on the idea (that for the purpose of creating a period), I had to follow the dosage set up by Susie, plus I'd rather not have a period and be able to sleep on a regular basis. I also gave up on "proper" peak days, since I wasn't making any eggs or babies anymore. That's when I lowered the dosages, "took it easy" with the E, (no higher than 6 lines), but especially the P (:max 4 lines!), and became more comfortable with my body.

I eased off sudden jumps or falls in the graph, made 2 gentle mini peaks with E and P respectively, - thought of going maybe to a static dose, still alternating E and P every 2 weeks) - "Our own" (science lady) Carole supports that in her personal use of bhrt-hormones.

I decided to really go with what my body felt/told me. At times I went to "minute" doses of E and P -

and VOILA !! Strangely enough: just when I had spent again 2 uncomfortable nights (days 27and 28) with lots of wakes and some itch I decided that I'd drop all hormones for a few days. That same late afternoon, surprise!

So Val, if you can go ahead and print out my graph,

I will probably follow it for 1 or 2 more cycles, to be sure to get the "shedding" effect. But in the end, Carole gets that effect too, with a static dose that she adjusts according to physical, emotional/mental stress load.

I wish you all a happy day -

like mine i s !

Charlotte

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You go girl....it's great to hear good news in the midst of all our

confusing bad news. You said it in a nutshell...you paid attention to

what your body said not some book or chart.

have fun this evening!

Lynn

> Dear " motley crowd " , all you sweet women

> striving for better (hormone-) health,

> before I start catching up on reading the last 24 hours of you gals

posting, I must tell you the fabulous news for me, and maybe

encouraging for some of you who are still trying to get to " first

base " of your " home run " . Hear Yee:

> " Punctually, on day 29 " of this month

> I got my period back!!!

> - I still can't believe it. -

> For most of you, younger than me and still/again cycling, that's no

big deal, but for me it is!

>

> When I started on BHRT, I had been postmenopausal for 15 years. SLM

had convinced me that it was good and healthy to get my period back,

although some reports said it would be unlikely to do after 13 years.

>

> Like many of us Old-bies I suffered a lot in the first 3 and 4

months with all kinds of allergies, itching and insomnia, acne and

other skin eruptions and massive discoloration - a lot of trial and

error since starting on the Wilie Protocol. Every now and then though,

I had a few good days, no complaints, and a good amount of energy -

but I was tortured with doubts, because the lining in my uterus was

supposedly building up, and I had still no period inspite of 8 lines

max Progesterone, and I was afraid of (never had) cancer.

> After 4 1/2 months, when the reaction against P became so bad even

with 1 single line of P, I gave up on the idea (that for the purpose

of creating a period), I had to follow the dosage set up by Susie,

plus I'd rather not have a period and be able to sleep on a regular

basis. I also gave up on " proper " peak days, since I wasn't making any

eggs or babies anymore. That's when I lowered the dosages, " took it

easy " with the E, (no higher than 6 lines), but especially the P (:max

4 lines!), and became more comfortable with my body.

> I eased off sudden jumps or falls in the graph, made 2 gentle mini

peaks with E and P respectively, - thought of going maybe to a static

dose, still alternating E and P every 2 weeks) - " Our own " (science

lady) Carole supports that in her personal use of bhrt-hormones.

> I decided to really go with what my body felt/told me. At times I

went to " minute " doses of E and P -

> and VOILA !! Strangely enough: just when I had spent again 2

uncomfortable nights (days 27and 28) with lots of wakes and some

itch I decided that I'd drop all hormones for a few days. That same

late afternoon, surprise!

>

> So Val, if you can go ahead and print out my graph,

> I will probably follow it for 1 or 2 more cycles, to be sure to get

the " shedding " effect. But in the end, Carole gets that effect too,

with a static dose that she adjusts according to physical,

emotional/mental stress load.

>

> I wish you all a happy day -

> like mine i s !

> Charlotte

[Guest guest]

YIPPEEEEE!! I know! I was only without my period for 2 years and

was THRILLED to see it back again! it makes you feel as though

SOMETHING is right with your world. It seems very " healthy " doesn't

it? Good going, Charlotte! I wish my sister, also a Charlotte,

would think about BHRT - she will be 70 next Monday and is horrified

that I am back to cycling and getting a period. Just lately, she is

showing so many signs of losing her zest for life...I KNOW some

hormones would make a difference for her.

> Dear " motley crowd " , all you sweet women

> striving for better (hormone-) health,

> before I start catching up on reading the last 24 hours of you gals

posting, I must tell you the fabulous news for me, and maybe

encouraging for some of you who are still trying to get to " first

base " of your " home run " . Hear Yee:

> " Punctually, on day 29 " of this month

> I got my period back!!!

> - I still can't believe it. -

> For most of you, younger than me and still/again cycling, that's no

big deal, but for me it is!

>

> When I started on BHRT, I had been postmenopausal for 15 years. SLM

had convinced me that it was good and healthy to get my period back,

although some reports said it would be unlikely to do after 13

years.

>

> Like many of us Old-bies I suffered a lot in the first 3 and 4

months with all kinds of allergies, itching and insomnia, acne and

other skin eruptions and massive discoloration - a lot of trial and

error since starting on the Wilie Protocol. Every now and then

though, I had a few good days, no complaints, and a good amount of

energy - but I was tortured with doubts, because the lining in my

uterus was supposedly building up, and I had still no period inspite

of 8 lines max Progesterone, and I was afraid of (never had) cancer.

> After 4 1/2 months, when the reaction against P became so bad even

with 1 single line of P, I gave up on the idea (that for the purpose

of creating a period), I had to follow the dosage set up by Susie,

plus I'd rather not have a period and be able to sleep on a regular

basis. I also gave up on " proper " peak days, since I wasn't making

any eggs or babies anymore. That's when I lowered the dosages, " took

it easy " with the E, (no higher than 6 lines), but especially the P

(:max 4 lines!), and became more comfortable with my body.

> I eased off sudden jumps or falls in the graph, made 2 gentle mini

peaks with E and P respectively, - thought of going maybe to a static

dose, still alternating E and P every 2 weeks) - " Our own " (science

lady) Carole supports that in her personal use of bhrt-hormones.

> I decided to really go with what my body felt/told me. At times I

went to " minute " doses of E and P -

> and VOILA !! Strangely enough: just when I had spent again 2

uncomfortable nights (days 27and 28) with lots of wakes and some

itch I decided that I'd drop all hormones for a few days. That same

late afternoon, surprise!

>

> So Val, if you can go ahead and print out my graph,

> I will probably follow it for 1 or 2 more cycles, to be sure to get

the " shedding " effect. But in the end, Carole gets that effect too,

with a static dose that she adjusts according to physical,

emotional/mental stress load.

>

> I wish you all a happy day -

> like mine i s !

> Charlotte

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Just want to put in my 2 cents here - congratulations Charlotte, I think you have the right idea and results! Keep on listening to your body!!!!! MadeleenMcharlot wrote:

Dear "motley crowd", all you sweet women

striving for better (hormone-) health,

before I start catching up on reading the last 24 hours of you gals posting, I must tell you the fabulous news for me, and maybe encouraging for some of you who are still trying to get to "first base" of your "home run". Hear Yee:

"Punctually, on day 29" of this month

I got my period back!!!

- I still can't believe it. -

For most of you, younger than me and still/again cycling, that's no big deal, but for me it is!

When I started on BHRT, I had been postmenopausal for 15 years. SLM had convinced me that it was good and healthy to get my period back, although some reports said it would be unlikely to do after 13 years.

Like many of us Old-bies I suffered a lot in the first 3 and 4 months with all kinds of allergies, itching and insomnia, acne and other skin eruptions and massive discoloration - a lot of trial and error since starting on the Wilie Protocol. Every now and then though, I had a few good days, no complaints, and a good amount of energy - but I was tortured with doubts, because the lining in my uterus was supposedly building up, and I had still no period inspite of 8 lines max Progesterone, and I was afraid of (never had) cancer.

After 4 1/2 months, when the reaction against P became so bad even with 1 single line of P, I gave up on the idea (that for the purpose of creating a period), I had to follow the dosage set up by Susie, plus I'd rather not have a period and be able to sleep on a regular basis. I also gave up on "proper" peak days, since I wasn't making any eggs or babies anymore. That's when I lowered the dosages, "took it easy" with the E, (no higher than 6 lines), but especially the P (:max 4 lines!), and became more comfortable with my body.

I eased off sudden jumps or falls in the graph, made 2 gentle mini peaks with E and P respectively, - thought of going maybe to a static dose, still alternating E and P every 2 weeks) - "Our own" (science lady) Carole supports that in her personal use of bhrt-hormones.

I decided to really go with what my body felt/told me. At times I went to "minute" doses of E and P -

and VOILA !! Strangely enough: just when I had spent again 2 uncomfortable nights (days 27and 28) with lots of wakes and some itch I decided that I'd drop all hormones for a few days. That same late afternoon, surprise!

So Val, if you can go ahead and print out my graph,

I will probably follow it for 1 or 2 more cycles, to be sure to get the "shedding" effect. But in the end, Carole gets that effect too, with a static dose that she adjusts according to physical, emotional/mental stress load.

I wish you all a happy day -

like mine i s !

Charlotte

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I decided to really go with what my body felt/told me. At times I went to "minute" doses of E and P -

and VOILA !! Strangely enough: just when I had spent again 2 uncomfortable nights (days 27and 28) with lots of wakes and some itch I decided that I'd drop all hormones for a few days. That same late afternoon, surprise

SOOO HAPPY for YOU . GOOD work listening to your body:-))))

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Hi Charlotte -- well congratulations! After 13 years, that is

amazing. I hadn't had one in 6 months before I started Wiley last

month and lo & behold, I got a period on Day 28. But since I

decided to not do those hi doses anymore, I'm contemplating what

dosing I want to do.

Pre-Wiley, when I was taking 5 mg a day (total) of estradiol and

cycling with the P troches from day 14-28 (100 mg total per day), I

didn't really feel ANYthing. I was still getting flashes and dead

tired, etc., etc. I was not doing any peaks at all -- just a

straight same dose everyday so maybe that was the problem. Or maybe

my E never got high enough I don't know. In any case, what are your

exact dosings going to be now? Maybe I can try what you are doing

with little peaks. I would love to feel good EVERY day, not just

the peak days.

> Dear " motley crowd " , all you sweet women

> striving for better (hormone-) health,

> before I start catching up on reading the last 24 hours of you

gals posting, I must tell you the fabulous news for me, and maybe

encouraging for some of you who are still trying to get to " first

base " of your " home run " . Hear Yee:

> " Punctually, on day 29 " of this month

> I got my period back!!!

> - I still can't believe it. -

> For most of you, younger than me and still/again cycling, that's

no big deal, but for me it is!

>

> When I started on BHRT, I had been postmenopausal for 15 years.

SLM had convinced me that it was good and healthy to get my period

back, although some reports said it would be unlikely to do after

13 years.

>

> Like many of us Old-bies I suffered a lot in the first 3 and 4

months with all kinds of allergies, itching and insomnia, acne and

other skin eruptions and massive discoloration - a lot of trial and

error since starting on the Wilie Protocol. Every now and then

though, I had a few good days, no complaints, and a good amount of

energy - but I was tortured with doubts, because the lining in my

uterus was supposedly building up, and I had still no period inspite

of 8 lines max Progesterone, and I was afraid of (never had) cancer.

> After 4 1/2 months, when the reaction against P became so bad even

with 1 single line of P, I gave up on the idea (that for the purpose

of creating a period), I had to follow the dosage set up by Susie,

plus I'd rather not have a period and be able to sleep on a regular

basis. I also gave up on " proper " peak days, since I wasn't making

any eggs or babies anymore. That's when I lowered the dosages, " took

it easy " with the E, (no higher than 6 lines), but especially the P

(:max 4 lines!), and became more comfortable with my body.

> I eased off sudden jumps or falls in the graph, made 2 gentle mini

peaks with E and P respectively, - thought of going maybe to a

static dose, still alternating E and P every 2 weeks) - " Our own "

(science lady) Carole supports that in her personal use of bhrt-

hormones.

> I decided to really go with what my body felt/told me. At times I

went to " minute " doses of E and P -

> and VOILA !! Strangely enough: just when I had spent again 2

uncomfortable nights (days 27and 28) with lots of wakes and some

itch I decided that I'd drop all hormones for a few days. That same

late afternoon, surprise!

>

> So Val, if you can go ahead and print out my graph,

> I will probably follow it for 1 or 2 more cycles, to be sure to

get the " shedding " effect. But in the end, Carole gets that effect

too, with a static dose that she adjusts according to physical,

emotional/mental stress load.

>

> I wish you all a happy day -

> like mine i s !

> Charlotte