Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

May 19, 2000

I share all of your concern about the availability of treatment (not just

helmets and bands but other devices and precedures). My mother and in-laws

still live in the rural part of Iowa (there are non-rural areas!!) where even

treatment for some simple conditions requires a 5 hour drive. So access to

healthcare extends beyond the bands and helmets affecting many more people than

we often care to think about. So given my general concerns, I'm a bit troubled

by a recent posting about patents and the FDA:

1. Simply for the sake of clarification, it should be pointed out that the FDA

does not issue patents. The FDA approves foods, drugs and devices for use.

2. CranialTech is not unique in obtaining a patent and having exclusive right

to market the device. I have also worked with testing other medical devices

(screws, plates, bone substitutes). Anyone working in a clinic or hospital

(even in Iowa) handles several patented devices a day. Devices that can only be

purchased from one source and very often only sold to hospital/clinics that have

been trained to use the device. That is how the hospital and the manufacture

minimize the risk to the patient.

3. Finally, regarding a petition to the FDA change current regulation, What

would we petition the FDA to do? Waive tests about efficacy and safety? I hope

not.

If a program in your area cannot get FDA approval for their device:

Is it because Cranial Tech already has FDA approval for the DOC band?

or

Is it because that program could not sufficiently document that their device is

safe and effective?

It is fairly clear to me that if they document the safety and efficacy of their

device, they will get FDA approval. If not, then should it even be available?

May 19, 2000

and Shane and the group:

Hi, my name is Stan. I am not in the medical profession, but my wife is a

licensed OT. She and I have talked often about plagio, helmets, DOC bands,

etc., and we definitely have a view on the current state of affairs. While

we are definitely thankful that there are resources for dealing with our

twins' flatness and/or misshapenness of their heads, we certainly aren't

haapy to be content with the implicitly exclusive nature of and

prohibitively expensive treatment offered by Cranial Technologies.

Shane certainly touched a sore spot for me, as did 's post, which I am

taking to be in response to Shane's earlier post. So I want to respond with

my thoughts.

With the DOC band and the helmet, as I understand it, we are talking about

the use of orthotics in conjunction with a " splinting device " to mold the

shape of the infant's head. What is bothersome is NOT the FDA issue, but

that CT has made this splint " proprietary " through its patenting.

, Shane and others know more than I do about patents in the medical

business. My basic thought: the helmet and the DOC band BOTH appear to be

" splinting devices " that mold the shape of the head. Basic principles of

splinting that I am told are used openly in Occupation Therapy all the time,

and other medical fields too I would imagine. The DOC band does not require

a chin strap and appears to be more form-fitting around the head than the

helmet, and from reports within this group may be more efficient and work

more quickly than the helmet. Splints with the controls in place so that

they are made with the same technique, perhaps, but are made a different

shape in EVERY case because they have to be.

Training/certification/knowledge/experience in splinting, definitely a must

I would think. Orthotic management, another critical checkpoint. But why

the need for an exclusive patent of a splinting device such as the DOC band

when countless other splintings are actively used all over the nation

(world?) all the time? I know I am no expert in this discussion, correct me

if I am wrong, but that is what I see happening with the DOC band, as good

as it is and whether it is FDA approved or not.

And, ethics aside, patenting plainly and certainly isn't always in the

consumer's best interest.

Stan Kessler

May 20, 2000

Sorry if I offended you , , but you have distorted my thoughts, so to

clarify :

1. I was clear that I support Cranial Tech and its DOC bands, they obviously

work. What I dislike is the limited availability and cost.

2. As for the patent, I never said the FDA gave them the patent, that was

your misinterpretation --- I implied that they patented the device, and the

FDA jumped on the bandwagon, and without ensuring broad availability , wiped

all alternative devices . I ask again, where are we to send the families of

limited resources. To draw a comparison between Iowa and the inner city is

absurd --- have you any idea what some inner city kids live like ?

3.As for petitioning the FDA , I mean in order to ensure that DOC bands are

available to all. Again , you acted as if I slighted Crnial tech themselves

, I did NOT . However, the little slam about asking if our facilities could

not document the safety and efficacy of their devices, come on, we're

talking about Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh , one of the world leaders ,

not to mention the US , in healthcare for children. Is there a reason

Cranial tech doesn't promote their product here ? Perhaps the market economy

would force the reimbursement of the device well below $ 3,000.

Bear in mind , my wife , Jill, does not necessarily share in my viewpoints,

so when pointing the finger , please make sure you do not hold ANYTHING

against her on this site.

Shane J s

----- Original Message -----

From: M. <kevin@...>

Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:26 AM

Subject: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

> I share all of your concern about the availability of treatment (not just

> helmets and bands but other devices and precedures). My mother and

in-laws

> still live in the rural part of Iowa (there are non-rural areas!!) where

even

> treatment for some simple conditions requires a 5 hour drive. So access

to

> healthcare extends beyond the bands and helmets affecting many more people

than

> we often care to think about. So given my general concerns, I'm a bit

troubled

> by a recent posting about patents and the FDA:

>

> 1. Simply for the sake of clarification, it should be pointed out that

the FDA

> does not issue patents. The FDA approves foods, drugs and devices for

use.

>

> 2. CranialTech is not unique in obtaining a patent and having exclusive

right

> to market the device. I have also worked with testing other medical

devices

> (screws, plates, bone substitutes). Anyone working in a clinic or

hospital

> (even in Iowa) handles several patented devices a day. Devices that can

only be

> purchased from one source and very often only sold to hospital/clinics

that have

> been trained to use the device. That is how the hospital and the

manufacture

> minimize the risk to the patient.

>

> 3. Finally, regarding a petition to the FDA change current regulation,

What

> would we petition the FDA to do? Waive tests about efficacy and safety?

I hope

> not.

>

> If a program in your area cannot get FDA approval for their device:

>

> Is it because Cranial Tech already has FDA approval for the DOC band?

>

> or

>

> Is it because that program could not sufficiently document that their

device is

> safe and effective?

>

> It is fairly clear to me that if they document the safety and efficacy of

their

> device, they will get FDA approval. If not, then should it even be

available?

>

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May 20, 2000

Shane,

I have read and re-read your message and it still reads the same to

me. Sorry if I misunderstand your thoughts but I do not believe I

distorted your words. In any event, this forum is meant to discuss

the issues. You did not offend and I would defend your right to

disagree. I just think several of your points are misleading.

So let's discuss the issues:

You wrote:

> 1. I was clear that I support Cranial Tech and its DOC bands, they

obviously

> work. What I dislike is the limited availability and cost.

I can't comment on the cost. I truly have no idea what goes into the

cost of the Band (part device, part physicians fee I just don't

know). However, the DOC band would not be the first medical treatment

that varies in cost around the country. As for availability, I would

be willing to bet that Cranial Tech would like to be able to provide

a DOC band to anywhere in the world. However, I do know that

treatment protocols and quality controls (thing required by the FDA)

means that it takes time (training etc--not to mention finding and

securing space) to establish a clinic.

>

> 2. As for the patent, I never said the FDA gave them the patent,

that was

> your misinterpretation --- I implied that they patented the device,

and the

> FDA jumped on the bandwagon, and without ensuring broad

availability , wiped

> all alternative devices .

You said " 2. I have a HUGE problem with the FDA. They allowed CT to

monopolize the market , by allowing them to patent a device " I

could be wrong but I think you 'implied' that the FDA was involved in

patenting the device. That's why I pointed out the the FDA is not

involved in the patent application.

I ask again, where are we to send the families of

> limited resources. To draw a comparison between Iowa and the inner

city is

> absurd --- have you any idea what some inner city kids live like ?

I have lived in Dallas, Texas. I've even been to Pittsburgh. Hell,

I've even spent time in a third world counry. Have you ever been to

Iowa? Every been to a hospital in a small town? You're luck to have

a hospital in a small town (quite often your luck to find a

physician). Also, the inner city has not cornered the market on

poverty. But I don't really think I need to document my personal and

professional experience with rural life, poverty and health. I'm

sorry if you think my concerns are absurd.

>

> 3.As for petitioning the FDA , I mean in order to ensure that DOC

bands are

> available to all.

I have no idea how that would/could work. I guess we have different

understandings of the FDA function and responsibilities.

Again , you acted as if I slighted Crnial tech themselves

> , I did NOT . However, the little slam about asking if our

facilities could

> not document the safety and efficacy of their devices, come on,

we're

> talking about Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh , one of the world

leaders ,

> not to mention the US , in healthcare for children.

Now you are distorting my words. I said:

> > If a program in your area cannot get FDA approval for their

device:

> >

> > Is it because Cranial Tech already has FDA approval for the DOC

band?

> >

> > or

> >

> > Is it because that program could not sufficiently document that

their

> device is

> > safe and effective?

I was talking about helmet programs. Does Childrens Hospital of

Pittburgh have a helmet program? If Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh

does have a helmet program, then Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh

should have no problem with FDA approval since it's " one of the world

leaders , not to mention the US , in healthcare for children. "

Is there a reason

> Cranial tech doesn't promote their product here ? Perhaps the

market economy

> would force the reimbursement of the device well below $ 3,000.

I would have someone contact Cranial Tech to tell them they would

like to have them open a clinic.

>

> Bear in mind , my wife , Jill, does not necessarily share in my

viewpoints,

> so when pointing the finger , please make sure you do not hold

ANYTHING

> against her on this site.

I have no idea what you are worried about. This is just a

discussion. I'm sure your wife is wonderful person.

>

> Shane J s

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: M. <kevin@k...>

> <Plagiocephalyegroups>

> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:26 AM

> Subject: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

>

> > I share all of your concern about the availability of treatment

(not just

> > helmets and bands but other devices and precedures). My mother

and

> in-laws

> > still live in the rural part of Iowa (there are non-rural

areas!!) where

> even

> > treatment for some simple conditions requires a 5 hour drive. So

access

> to

> > healthcare extends beyond the bands and helmets affecting many

more people

> than

> > we often care to think about. So given my general concerns, I'm

a bit

> troubled

> > by a recent posting about patents and the FDA:

> >

> > 1. Simply for the sake of clarification, it should be pointed

out that

> the FDA

> > does not issue patents. The FDA approves foods, drugs and

devices for

> use.

> >

> > 2. CranialTech is not unique in obtaining a patent and having

exclusive

> right

> > to market the device. I have also worked with testing other

medical

> devices

> > (screws, plates, bone substitutes). Anyone working in a clinic or

> hospital

> > (even in Iowa) handles several patented devices a day. Devices

that can

> only be

> > purchased from one source and very often only sold to

hospital/clinics

> that have

> > been trained to use the device. That is how the hospital and the

> manufacture

> > minimize the risk to the patient.

> >

> > 3. Finally, regarding a petition to the FDA change current

regulation,

> What

> > would we petition the FDA to do? Waive tests about efficacy and

safety?

> I hope

> > not.

> >

> > If a program in your area cannot get FDA approval for their

device:

> >

> > Is it because Cranial Tech already has FDA approval for the DOC

band?

> >

> > or

> >

> > Is it because that program could not sufficiently document that

their

> device is

> > safe and effective?

> >

> > It is fairly clear to me that if they document the safety and

efficacy of

> their

> > device, they will get FDA approval. If not, then should it even

be

> available?

May 20, 2000

In a message dated 5/20/00 9:53:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

kevin@... writes:

<< Shane wrote:

> Let's get on the same page , . We both want what's best for

the kids,

> and if there was strife between us, consider it done.

Agreed.

>>

so guys, is that the equivalent of an on-line hand shake!? Ha, ha! Kimry

PS Shane nothing you could do or say could make me not like Jill, Whacko #2

(remember I am whacko #1) you are lucky to have her (as she is you, it is

nice to see both parents participating:)!)

May 20, 2000

In a message dated 05/20/2000 10:53:54 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

kevin@... writes:

<< 1) physicians need to be better educated about plagiocephaly >>

Yes !!! That is exactly what we are trying to do in the CAPS group. We

are putting together packets to go out to the pediatricians to educate them

on craniosynostosis and plagiocephaly. So again I will say that if anyone is

interested in helping let me know.....

Tanda

May 20, 2000

Let's get on the same page , . We both want what's best for the kids,

and if there was strife between us, consider it done.

Should you have any insights as to how we can treat plagio in the PA / WV /

OH areas , please let me know. My fear is that Peds will now have more

reason than ever to patronize us with the " just reposition him/her on the

other side ' or " they'll grow into it ( the skul shape " .

My personal E-mail at work is < peterssj@... >

Shane J s

----- Original Message -----

From: M. <kevin@...>

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 12:10 AM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

> Shane,

>

> I have read and re-read your message and it still reads the same to

> me. Sorry if I misunderstand your thoughts but I do not believe I

> distorted your words. In any event, this forum is meant to discuss

> the issues. You did not offend and I would defend your right to

> disagree. I just think several of your points are misleading.

>

> So let's discuss the issues:

>

> You wrote:

>

> > 1. I was clear that I support Cranial Tech and its DOC bands, they

> obviously

> > work. What I dislike is the limited availability and cost.

>

> I can't comment on the cost. I truly have no idea what goes into the

> cost of the Band (part device, part physicians fee I just don't

> know). However, the DOC band would not be the first medical treatment

> that varies in cost around the country. As for availability, I would

> be willing to bet that Cranial Tech would like to be able to provide

> a DOC band to anywhere in the world. However, I do know that

> treatment protocols and quality controls (thing required by the FDA)

> means that it takes time (training etc--not to mention finding and

> securing space) to establish a clinic.

>

> >

> > 2. As for the patent, I never said the FDA gave them the patent,

> that was

> > your misinterpretation --- I implied that they patented the device,

> and the

> > FDA jumped on the bandwagon, and without ensuring broad

> availability , wiped

> > all alternative devices .

>

> You said " 2. I have a HUGE problem with the FDA. They allowed CT to

> monopolize the market , by allowing them to patent a device " I

> could be wrong but I think you 'implied' that the FDA was involved in

> patenting the device. That's why I pointed out the the FDA is not

> involved in the patent application.

>

> I ask again, where are we to send the families of

> > limited resources. To draw a comparison between Iowa and the inner

> city is

> > absurd --- have you any idea what some inner city kids live like ?

>

> I have lived in Dallas, Texas. I've even been to Pittsburgh. Hell,

> I've even spent time in a third world counry. Have you ever been to

> Iowa? Every been to a hospital in a small town? You're luck to have

> a hospital in a small town (quite often your luck to find a

> physician). Also, the inner city has not cornered the market on

> poverty. But I don't really think I need to document my personal and

> professional experience with rural life, poverty and health. I'm

> sorry if you think my concerns are absurd.

>

> >

> > 3.As for petitioning the FDA , I mean in order to ensure that DOC

> bands are

> > available to all.

>

> I have no idea how that would/could work. I guess we have different

> understandings of the FDA function and responsibilities.

>

> Again , you acted as if I slighted Crnial tech themselves

> > , I did NOT . However, the little slam about asking if our

> facilities could

> > not document the safety and efficacy of their devices, come on,

> we're

> > talking about Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh , one of the world

> leaders ,

> > not to mention the US , in healthcare for children.

>

> Now you are distorting my words. I said:

>

> > > If a program in your area cannot get FDA approval for their

> device:

> > >

> > > Is it because Cranial Tech already has FDA approval for the DOC

> band?

> > >

> > > or

> > >

> > > Is it because that program could not sufficiently document that

> their

> > device is

> > > safe and effective?

>

> I was talking about helmet programs. Does Childrens Hospital of

> Pittburgh have a helmet program? If Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh

> does have a helmet program, then Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh

> should have no problem with FDA approval since it's " one of the world

> leaders , not to mention the US , in healthcare for children. "

>

> Is there a reason

> > Cranial tech doesn't promote their product here ? Perhaps the

> market economy

> > would force the reimbursement of the device well below $ 3,000.

>

> I would have someone contact Cranial Tech to tell them they would

> like to have them open a clinic.

>

> >

> > Bear in mind , my wife , Jill, does not necessarily share in my

> viewpoints,

> > so when pointing the finger , please make sure you do not hold

> ANYTHING

> > against her on this site.

>

> I have no idea what you are worried about. This is just a

> discussion. I'm sure your wife is wonderful person.

>

> >

> > Shane J s

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: M. <kevin@k...>

> > <Plagiocephalyegroups>

> > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:26 AM

> > Subject: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

> >

> > > I share all of your concern about the availability of treatment

> (not just

> > > helmets and bands but other devices and precedures). My mother

> and

> > in-laws

> > > still live in the rural part of Iowa (there are non-rural

> areas!!) where

> > even

> > > treatment for some simple conditions requires a 5 hour drive. So

> access

> > to

> > > healthcare extends beyond the bands and helmets affecting many

> more people

> > than

> > > we often care to think about. So given my general concerns, I'm

> a bit

> > troubled

> > > by a recent posting about patents and the FDA:

> > >

> > > 1. Simply for the sake of clarification, it should be pointed

> out that

> > the FDA

> > > does not issue patents. The FDA approves foods, drugs and

> devices for

> > use.

> > >

> > > 2. CranialTech is not unique in obtaining a patent and having

> exclusive

> > right

> > > to market the device. I have also worked with testing other

> medical

> > devices

> > > (screws, plates, bone substitutes). Anyone working in a clinic or

> > hospital

> > > (even in Iowa) handles several patented devices a day. Devices

> that can

> > only be

> > > purchased from one source and very often only sold to

> hospital/clinics

> > that have

> > > been trained to use the device. That is how the hospital and the

> > manufacture

> > > minimize the risk to the patient.

> > >

> > > 3. Finally, regarding a petition to the FDA change current

> regulation,

> > What

> > > would we petition the FDA to do? Waive tests about efficacy and

> safety?

> > I hope

> > > not.

> > >

> > > If a program in your area cannot get FDA approval for their

> device:

> > >

> > > Is it because Cranial Tech already has FDA approval for the DOC

> band?

> > >

> > > or

> > >

> > > Is it because that program could not sufficiently document that

> their

> > device is

> > > safe and effective?

> > >

> > > It is fairly clear to me that if they document the safety and

> efficacy of

> > their

> > > device, they will get FDA approval. If not, then should it even

> be

> > available?

>

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May 20, 2000

In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

kbgarv@... writes:

<< I contacted them to ask if I could use their DOC Band logo on

my hand out and they were very prompt to give me a YES!! >>

I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the helmets/bands

as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these othos, etc are

very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking at dollar

signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the helmets/bands

are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets for the

people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all start buying

stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 20, 2000

Shane wrote:

> Let's get on the same page , . We both want what's best for

the kids,

> and if there was strife between us, consider it done.

Agreed.

>

> Should you have any insights as to how we can treat plagio in the

PA / WV /

> OH areas , please let me know.

Not the this is much comfort, but given the prestige of your hospital

and the number of people living in the area, you are in a much better

position than places like Northwest Iowa (where I grew up). If your

hospital wants a clinic someone has to push for it. Isn't that the

way it always is?

My fear is that Peds will now have more

> reason than ever to patronize us with the " just reposition him/her

on the

> other side ' or " they'll grow into it ( the skul shape " .

I'm afraid the in the short-term that is a possibility. But the

current situation is not unique. I'm certain if you think back you

can think of other example where physicians were inclined to

offer 'old' suggestions because new treatments had not reached the

area. Consider how thinking on the treatment of breast cancer has

changed over the past decade.

There are really two points to be made:

1) physicians need to be better educated about plagiocephaly

2) we need more band/helmet programs

both of these things are just going to take time. That's just

reality.

May 20, 2000

Tanda,

Have you tried approaching Cranial Tech. to ask if you can use their

brochure? I contacted them to ask if I could use their DOC Band logo

on my hand out and they were very prompt to give me a YES!! I'm sure

if you ask they will be happy to help - Make sure you tell them you are

a non-profit organization wanting to help educate the medical professionals

and that you are sending out packages. Ask them for any suggestions

they might have to help. Perhaps they will send you all the copies

you require (as to save on costs to you!). The email address is at

their web site. I strongly recommend you contact them. Who

to better explain this condition than the people who have researched the

topic to no end!!! Unless of course, you can find another medical

pro. who might be able to help you out.

Kendra

cssupportgroup@... wrote:

In a message dated 05/20/2000 10:53:54 AM Mountain

Daylight Time,

kevin@... writes:

<< 1) physicians need to be better educated about plagiocephaly

>>

Yes !!! That is exactly what we are trying to do in the

CAPS group. We

are putting together packets to go out to the pediatricians to

educate them

on craniosynostosis and plagiocephaly. So again I will say

that if anyone is

interested in helping let me know.....

Tanda

May 21, 2000

Believe me!!!

My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked

up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what

kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show.

If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!!

Kendra

bgles2@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific

Daylight Time,

kbgarv@... writes:

<< I contacted them to ask if I could use their DOC Band logo

on

my hand out and they were very prompt to give me a YES!!

>>

I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the

helmets/bands

as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these

othos, etc are

very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking

at dollar

signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the

helmets/bands

are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets

for the

people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all

start buying

stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

I'm not sure that they are publicly traded. If someone knows otherwise, let me know! I wanna buy!

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: & Kendra

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!! My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show. If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!! Kendra bgles2@... wrote: In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kbgarv@... writes: <> I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the helmets/bands as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these othos, etc are very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking at dollar signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the helmets/bands are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets for the people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all start buying stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

Then they probably aren't public yet... I work for a company that sells

millions of dollars in software and installation for the transportation

industry (mainly flight, but trains and buses, too)... and they haven't gone

public -- though it's in the works for the next year or so.... but Ct also

could be owned by a parent company...

H.

-----Original Message-----

From: & Kendra [mailto:kbgarv@...]

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:08 PM

Plagiocephalyegroups

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!!

My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked up

Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what kind of

sky-rocketing #'s they had to show.

If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!!

Kendra

bgles2@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

kbgarv@... writes:

<< I contacted them to ask if I could use their DOC Band logo on

my hand out and they were very prompt to give me a YES!! >>

I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the helmets/bands

as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these othos, etc are

very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking at dollar

signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the helmets/bands

are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets for the

people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all start

buying

stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

: same wavelength, or what??

*smile*

H

-----Original Message-----From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:16 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

I'm not sure that they are publicly traded. If someone knows otherwise, let me know! I wanna buy!

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: & Kendra

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!! My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show. If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!! Kendra bgles2@... wrote: In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kbgarv@... writes: <> I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the helmets/bands as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these othos, etc are very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking at dollar signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the helmets/bands are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets for the people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all start buying stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

Well, "great minds" and all that

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: Kali

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:19 PM

Subject: RE: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

: same wavelength, or what??

*smile*

H

-----Original Message-----From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:16 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

I'm not sure that they are publicly traded. If someone knows otherwise, let me know! I wanna buy!

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: & Kendra

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!! My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show. If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!! Kendra bgles2@... wrote: In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kbgarv@... writes: <> I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the helmets/bands as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these othos, etc are very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking at dollar signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the helmets/bands are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets for the people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all start buying stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

Well, "great minds" and all that

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: Kali

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:19 PM

Subject: RE: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

: same wavelength, or what??

*smile*

H

-----Original Message-----From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:16 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

I'm not sure that they are publicly traded. If someone knows otherwise, let me know! I wanna buy!

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: & Kendra

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!! My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show. If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!! Kendra bgles2@... wrote: In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kbgarv@... writes: <> I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the helmets/bands as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these othos, etc are very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking at dollar signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the helmets/bands are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets for the people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all start buying stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

Well, "great minds" and all that

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: Kali

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:19 PM

Subject: RE: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

: same wavelength, or what??

*smile*

H

-----Original Message-----From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:16 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

I'm not sure that they are publicly traded. If someone knows otherwise, let me know! I wanna buy!

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: & Kendra

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!! My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show. If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!! Kendra bgles2@... wrote: In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kbgarv@... writes: <> I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the helmets/bands as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these othos, etc are very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking at dollar signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the helmets/bands are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets for the people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all start buying stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

Well, "great minds" and all that

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: Kali

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:19 PM

Subject: RE: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

: same wavelength, or what??

*smile*

H

-----Original Message-----From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:16 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

I'm not sure that they are publicly traded. If someone knows otherwise, let me know! I wanna buy!

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: & Kendra

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!! My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show. If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!! Kendra bgles2@... wrote: In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kbgarv@... writes: <> I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the helmets/bands as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these othos, etc are very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking at dollar signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the helmets/bands are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets for the people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all start buying stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

, are you stuck in a time warp??

(this is response # 4)

H.

-----Original Message-----From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:53 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Well, "great minds" and all that

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: Kali

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:19 PM

Subject: RE: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

: same wavelength, or what??

*smile*

H

-----Original Message-----From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:16 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

I'm not sure that they are publicly traded. If someone knows otherwise, let me know! I wanna buy!

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: & Kendra

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!! My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show. If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!! Kendra bgles2@... wrote: In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kbgarv@... writes: <> I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the helmets/bands as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these othos, etc are very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking at dollar signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the helmets/bands are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets for the people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all start buying stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

I know, I know. I don't know what's going on! I'm going to log off and see if that stops it.

Maybe my computer is trying to tell me that it just can't take it anymore! (I loaded MSOffice 2000 last night and my hard drive is groaning from the strain of all that info)

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: Kali

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:09 PM

Subject: RE: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

, are you stuck in a time warp??

(this is response # 4)

H.

-----Original Message-----From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:53 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Well, "great minds" and all that

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: Kali

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:19 PM

Subject: RE: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

: same wavelength, or what??

*smile*

H

-----Original Message-----From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:16 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

I'm not sure that they are publicly traded. If someone knows otherwise, let me know! I wanna buy!

Kaye/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: & Kendra

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA, Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!! My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show. If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!! Kendra bgles2@... wrote: In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kbgarv@... writes: <> I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the helmets/bands as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these othos, etc are very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking at dollar signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the helmets/bands are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets for the people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all start buying stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

I thought I was in the time warp!

Talk about de-ja-vu!

kendra

Kali wrote:

,

are you stuck in a time warp?? (this

is response # 4)

H. -----Original

Message-----

From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000

8:53 PM

Plagiocephalyegroups

Subject: Re: Patents,

FDA, Bands & Helmets

Well, "great minds" and all

that Kaye

/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From:

Kali

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:19

PM

Subject: RE: Patents, FDA,

Bands & Helmets

: same wavelength, or what??*smile*

H

-----Original

Message-----

From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000

8:16 PM

Plagiocephalyegroups

Subject: Re: Patents,

FDA, Bands & Helmets

I'm not sure that they are publicly traded.

If someone knows otherwise, let me know! I wanna buy!

Kaye

/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From:

& Kendra

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:07

PM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA,

Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!!

My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked

up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what

kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show.

If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!!

Kendra

bgles2@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific

Daylight Time,

kbgarv@... writes:

<< I contacted them to ask if I could use their DOC Band logo

on

my hand out and they were very prompt to give me a YES!!

>>

I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the

helmets/bands

as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these

othos, etc are

very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking

at dollar

signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the

helmets/bands

are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets

for the

people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all

start buying

stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

Maybe it's trying to tell you that you have a great mind!

kg

Kaye wrote:

I

know, I know. I don't know what's going on! I'm going

to log off and see if that stops it. Maybe

my computer is trying to tell me that it just can't take it anymore!

(I loaded MSOffice 2000 last night and my hard drive is groaning from the

strain of all that info) Kaye

/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From:

Kali

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:09

PM

Subject: RE: Patents, FDA,

Bands & Helmets

,

are you stuck in a time warp?? (this

is response # 4)

H. -----Original

Message-----

From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000

8:53 PM

Plagiocephalyegroups

Subject: Re: Patents,

FDA, Bands & Helmets

Well, "great minds" and all

that Kaye

/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From:

Kali

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:19

PM

Subject: RE: Patents, FDA,

Bands & Helmets

: same wavelength, or what??*smile*

H

-----Original

Message-----

From: Kaye [mailto:angelakaye@...]

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000

8:16 PM

Plagiocephalyegroups

Subject: Re: Patents,

FDA, Bands & Helmets

I'm not sure that they are publicly traded.

If someone knows otherwise, let me know! I wanna buy!

Kaye

/subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From:

& Kendra

Plagiocephalyegroups

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:07

PM

Subject: Re: Patents, FDA,

Bands & Helmets

Believe me!!!

My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked

up Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what

kind of sky-rocketing #'s they had to show.

If anyone knows the symbol....... please let me know!!!

Kendra

bgles2@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/20/00 11:40:47 AM Pacific

Daylight Time,

kbgarv@... writes:

<< I contacted them to ask if I could use their DOC Band logo

on

my hand out and they were very prompt to give me a YES!!

>>

I DON'T want to stir anything up BUT has any one looked at the

helmets/bands

as a profitable business product???!!!!! I know all of these

othos, etc are

very kind and helpful but these companies must also be looking

at dollar

signs. These kids are developing plagio left and right and the

helmets/bands

are not only helping our little ones but also fattening the wallets

for the

people that own/mang these facilities. At this rate I say we all

start buying

stock in these companies!!!!! Belinda(Indiana)

May 21, 2000

In a message dated 5/20/00 5:09:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

kbgarv@... writes:

<< My husband is an investment advisor/options trader and we have looked up

Cranial Technologies. Nothing! I was curious as to what kind of

sky-rocketing #'s they had to show.

>>

maybe they are privately held? Kimry

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