Re: New School Internships

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

This is in response to Chriss's comments and concerns about the New School's Creative Arts Therapy Certificate Program and the New School interns.

I have great appreciation for the efforts of Chriss and others who have worked so hard with NYCCAT to help establish licensure for creative arts therapists. I have also devoted much time and energy to the growth and professional standing of this field through my work in NADTand as part of NJCATA. I feel quite differently from Chriss. Programs like the New School do not detract from the field, but can serve to strengthen and promote it.

I have only been teaching at the New School since Spring 2005, but have found the program offers a valuable resource to the field of creative arts therapies. In the two classes I have taught, several students have made the decision to continue their training in drama therapy. The New School Program gave them an opportunity to further establish their interest and ( I believe) gave them a competitive edge in application and "auditions" for one of the 3 NADT approved programs in the US and Canada (which accept only 15 -18 students annually). Of the many NYU interns I have worked with, 3 had completed the New School Program prior to attending NYU and spoke highly of their earlier training. In addition, more recently I have had 1 New School intern who went on to continue her training in NYU's drama therapy. Currently I have 2 New School interns who have been admitted to NADT approved programs at NYU and Concordia in the Fall.

At the open houses that I attended in 2005 or 2006 for the New School Program, prospective students were told something to the effect that there is employment out there, but it was made very clear that they could not be licensed to do clinical work .

There has been talk of trying to get the New School to offer classes on the Graduate level to meet NY Licensure requirements. I hope this happens, as it could be another source of alternative training - much needed in our modality. This field cannot grow if there are so few educational opportunities. In the meantime, I am grateful that there is a place like the New School where those interested in exploring the possibilities of careers in creative art therapy can study. I am also happy to introduce this work to those students in related fields ( arts in education, Psychologists, social workers) and increase their awareness of the benefits of creative arts therapy. I believe this will only make our field stronger.

Barbara McKechnie

[Norton AntiSpam] New School Internships

I would like to caution anyone thinking about offering an ‘internship’ to a New School student. To my knowledge an internship suggests that a person will one day practice as a professional in that field. As an Art Therapist and host of the Arts in Therapy Network I have had first hand experience with the program as well as prospective students, actual students and graduates.

-Years ago I lectured to students in the program and was shocked to hear the director of the program (a Music Therapist) tell the students they could find work in this field.

-Over the years I have emailed with prospective New School students, graduates and supervised one AT who first attended the program before going on to her Masters in AT. All of them shared the same story of what they were told they would be able to do after graduation, and most were not thrilled when they found out the hard truth when they went to look for a job.

-When these students/graduates register on my website they do so under the category of Creative Arts Therapy and in the areas of specialty they put a Creative Arts Therapy modality. Under education/credentials they put Certified Creative Arts Therapist. A few graduates tried to register to be listed on the referral section of my site as Creative Arts Therapists, citing their certificate as proof of qualification.

I invite you to read what this program promotes at http://www.generalstudies.newschool.edu/04e_certif_creativearts.htm

Even prior to the LCAT these students did and do not qualify to practice Creative Arts Therapy. Eventually I would like to see this program shut down.

Take Care,

Chriss

From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of christine alessandro (augello)Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:48 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: Digest Number 695

Hello All-

Was wondering if anyone would be interested in having New School Art Therapy students at their work site? It is an undergraduate class and the internship/volunteer time would be between 8-10 hours for one semester. Students would observe the art therapist to understand how art therapy is used with specific populations.

Please email me at christine0783@... if you're interested.

Thanks so much,

Augello

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

[Guest guest]

Nice response, Barbara. By the way, I really enjoyed meeting with your

student recently. I think it's wonderful that you have the opportunity to

educate someone who is working in another discipline and is in a position to

incorporate the work we do with her clients.

Hope all is well...

Craig Haen

>

>Reply-To: NYCCAT

>To: NYCCAT

>Subject: RE: New School Internships

>Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:01:06 -0400

>

>Greetings,

>This is in response to Chriss's comments and concerns about the New

>School's Creative Arts Therapy Certificate Program and the New School

>interns.

>

>I have great appreciation for the efforts of Chriss and others who have

>worked so hard with NYCCAT to help establish licensure for creative arts

>therapists. I have also devoted much time and energy to the growth and

>professional standing of this field through my work in NADTand as part of

>NJCATA. I feel quite differently from Chriss. Programs like the New School

>do not detract from the field, but can serve to strengthen and promote it.

>

>I have only been teaching at the New School since Spring 2005, but have

>found the program offers a valuable resource to the field of creative arts

>therapies. In the two classes I have taught, several students have made the

> decision to continue their training in drama therapy. The New School

>Program gave them an opportunity to further establish their interest and (

>I believe) gave them a competitive edge in application and " auditions " for

>one of the 3 NADT approved programs in the US and Canada (which accept only

>15 -18 students annually). Of the many NYU interns I have worked with, 3

>had completed the New School Program prior to attending NYU and spoke

>highly of their earlier training. In addition, more recently I have had 1

>New School intern who went on to continue her training in NYU's drama

>therapy. Currently I have 2 New School interns who have been admitted to

>NADT approved programs at NYU and Concordia in the Fall.

>

>At the open houses that I attended in 2005 or 2006 for the New School

>Program, prospective students were told something to the effect that there

>is employment out there, but it was made very clear that they could not be

>licensed to do clinical work .

>

>There has been talk of trying to get the New School to offer classes on the

>Graduate level to meet NY Licensure requirements. I hope this happens, as

>it could be another source of alternative training - much needed in our

>modality. This field cannot grow if there are so few educational

>opportunities. In the meantime, I am grateful that there is a place like

>the New School where those interested in exploring the possibilities of

>careers in creative art therapy can study. I am also happy to introduce

>this work to those students in related fields ( arts in education,

>Psychologists, social workers) and increase their awareness of the benefits

>of creative arts therapy. I believe this will only make our field stronger.

>

>Barbara McKechnie

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Digest Number 695

>

>Hello All-

>

>Was wondering if anyone would be interested in having New School Art

>Therapy students at their work site? It is an undergraduate class and the

>internship/volunteer time would be between 8-10 hours for one semester.

>Students would observe the art therapist to understand how art therapy is

>used with specific populations.

>

>Please email me at christine0783@... if you're interested.

>

>Thanks so much,

>

> Augello

>

>

>

>Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Craig,

Thanks for the supportive response. By the way, my student spoke highly of

you to the class. She was so impressed with the combination of your

knowledge, natural style and your buoyant spirit (in spite of being ill at

the time). While she may never work towards her RDT or LCAT (she's a

psychologist), she is incorporating more play techniques in her groups with

children. She is also interested in having more exposure to drama therapy.

She has become an ally to our field.

Warmest Regards,

Barbara

> [Original Message]

>

> To: <NYCCAT >

> Date: 4/29/2006 12:26:39 AM

> Subject: RE: New School Internships

>

> Nice response, Barbara. By the way, I really enjoyed meeting with your

> student recently. I think it's wonderful that you have the opportunity

to

> educate someone who is working in another discipline and is in a position

to

> incorporate the work we do with her clients.

>

> Hope all is well...

>

> Craig Haen

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: NYCCAT

> >To: NYCCAT

> >Subject: RE: New School Internships

> >Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:01:06 -0400

> >

> >Greetings,

> >This is in response to Chriss's comments and concerns about the New

> >School's Creative Arts Therapy Certificate Program and the New School

> >interns.

> >

> >I have great appreciation for the efforts of Chriss and others who have

> >worked so hard with NYCCAT to help establish licensure for creative arts

> >therapists. I have also devoted much time and energy to the growth and

> >professional standing of this field through my work in NADTand as part

of

> >NJCATA. I feel quite differently from Chriss. Programs like the New

School

> >do not detract from the field, but can serve to strengthen and promote

it.

> >

> >I have only been teaching at the New School since Spring 2005, but have

> >found the program offers a valuable resource to the field of creative

arts

> >therapies. In the two classes I have taught, several students have made

the

> > decision to continue their training in drama therapy. The New School

> >Program gave them an opportunity to further establish their interest and

(

> >I believe) gave them a competitive edge in application and " auditions "

for

> >one of the 3 NADT approved programs in the US and Canada (which accept

only

> >15 -18 students annually). Of the many NYU interns I have worked with, 3

> >had completed the New School Program prior to attending NYU and spoke

> >highly of their earlier training. In addition, more recently I have had

1

> >New School intern who went on to continue her training in NYU's drama

> >therapy. Currently I have 2 New School interns who have been admitted to

> >NADT approved programs at NYU and Concordia in the Fall.

> >

> >At the open houses that I attended in 2005 or 2006 for the New School

> >Program, prospective students were told something to the effect that

there

> >is employment out there, but it was made very clear that they could not

be

> >licensed to do clinical work .

> >

> >There has been talk of trying to get the New School to offer classes on

the

> >Graduate level to meet NY Licensure requirements. I hope this happens,

as

> >it could be another source of alternative training - much needed in our

> >modality. This field cannot grow if there are so few educational

> >opportunities. In the meantime, I am grateful that there is a place like

> >the New School where those interested in exploring the possibilities of

> >careers in creative art therapy can study. I am also happy to introduce

> >this work to those students in related fields ( arts in education,

> >Psychologists, social workers) and increase their awareness of the

benefits

> >of creative arts therapy. I believe this will only make our field

stronger.

> >

> >Barbara McKechnie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Digest Number 695

> >

> >Hello All-

> >

> >Was wondering if anyone would be interested in having New School Art

> >Therapy students at their work site? It is an undergraduate class and

the

> >internship/volunteer time would be between 8-10 hours for one semester.

> >Students would observe the art therapist to understand how art therapy

is

> >used with specific populations.

> >

> >Please email me at christine0783@... if you're interested.

> >

> >Thanks so much,

> >

> > Augello

> >

> >

> >

> >Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low

rates.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello,

This, too, is in response to Chriss's comments about the New School's

Creative

Arts Therapy Certificate Program.

I have been teaching dance therapy courses since 1971, first at the now

defunct Hunter College Dance Therapy Program -- a graduate program -- and

at the New School for some 10 semesters (mostly in the spring). I have had

students do an " internship " at some facilities with the knowledge that this

education, in and of itself, does not make a dance therapist. those

interested

in the field went on to graduate study.

The advantage and beauty of the New School program is that people unaware

of any of the creative arts therapies take courses and come from all walks

of

life, e.g., a U.N. employee, former dress designer, undergraduates

completing

a major in psychology, etc. As Barbara McKechnie stated, this spreads

the

word and people become acquainted with CATS who otherwise would remain

ignorant of the field.

It is unfortunate that Chriss has had some experiences which do not match

the

intent of the CAT certificate program. I don't think any of the faculty

at the

New School misleads students into believing they can come away from these

studies expecting to be a full-fledged CAT. If anything they learn what a

commitment it is to become a CAT and what further education is required,

including requirements for the LCAT.

Elissa White

On Saturday, April 29, 2006, at 12:01 AM, Barbara Mckechnie wrote:

> Greetings,

> This is in response to Chriss's comments and concerns about the New

> School's Creative Arts Therapy Certificate Program and the New School

> interns.

>  

> I have great appreciation for the efforts of Chriss and others who have

> worked so hard with NYCCAT to help establish licensure for creative arts

> therapists. I have also devoted much time and energy to the growth and

> professional standing of this field through my work in NADTand as part of

> NJCATA. I feel quite differently from Chriss. Programs like the New

> School do not detract from the field, but can serve to strengthen and

> promote it.

>  

> I have only been teaching at the New School since Spring 2005, but have

> found the program offers a valuable resource to the field of creative

> arts therapies. In the two classes I have taught, several students have

> made the  decision to continue their training in drama therapy.  The New

> School Program gave them an opportunity to further establish their

> interest and  ( I believe) gave them a competitive edge in application

> and  " auditions "  for one of the 3 NADT approved programs in the US and

> Canada (which accept only 15 -18 students annually). Of the many NYU

> interns I have worked with, 3 had completed the New School Program prior

> to attending NYU and spoke highly of their earlier training. In addition,

>  more recently I have had 1 New School intern who went on to continue her

> training in NYU's drama therapy. Currently I have 2 New School interns

> who have been admitted to N! ADT approved programs at NYU and Concordia

> in the Fall.

>  

> At the open houses that I  attended in 2005 or 2006 for the New School

> Program, prospective students were told something to the effect that

> there is employment out there, but it was made very clear that they could

> not be licensed to do clinical work .  

>  

> There has been talk of trying to get the New School to offer classes on

> the Graduate level to meet NY Licensure requirements. I hope this happens,

> as it could be another source of alternative training - much needed in

> our modality. This field cannot grow if there are so few educational

> opportunities. In the meantime, I am grateful that there is a place like

> the New School where those interested in exploring the possibilities of

> careers in creative art therapy can study. I am also happy to introduce

> this work to those students in related fields ( arts in education,

> Psychologists, social workers) and increase their awareness of the

> benefits of creative arts therapy. I believe this will only make our

> field stronger.

>  

> Barbara McKechnie

>  

>  

>  

>

>  

>

> Re: Digest Number 695

>

>  

>

> Hello All-

>

>  

>

> Was wondering if anyone would be interested in having New School Art

> Therapy students at their work site?  It is an undergraduate class and

> the internship/volunteer time would be between 8-10 hours for one

> semester.  Students would observe the art therapist to understand how art

> therapy is used with specific populations. 

>

>  

>

> Please email me at christine0783@... if you're interested. 

>

>  

>

> Thanks so much,

>

>  

>

> Augello

>

>

>

> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just want to weigh in on this issue. I appreciate everyone's concerns. I think as the professions become more well known, we will see an increase in everyday usage. This means that many people, undergraduates included, will describe and interpret the professions differently, based on their own experiences. Many undergrads, grad students, and professionals I have taught are dissappointed that the CATs are not skills they can pick up quickly, in a workshop or class. Once they learn more about it, they are able to weigh in on whether they want to pursue the field or not.

Perhaps the New School (and other programs) would be willing to accept materials from the CAT professions and distribute them at the beginning of each semester. Programs also can make an official statement of support of appropriate training for each CAT amd distribute to students. Maybe this is already done?

Anyway I think we all have to rise to the challenge to educate and market our professions. I sometimes get tired of it; I mean I just wish people got it already. Then I meet a new group of alternate route dance/movement therapy students who are sacrificing so much to learn about the field, and I am inspired. A little education goes a long way.

Armeniox

[Norton AntiSpam] New School Internships

I would like to caution anyone thinking about offering an ‘internship’ to a New School student. To my knowledge an internship suggests that a person will one day practice as a professional in that field. As an Art Therapist and host of the Arts in Therapy Network I have had first hand experience with the program as well as prospective students, actual students and graduates.

-Years ago I lectured to students in the program and was shocked to hear the director of the program (a Music Therapist) tell the students they could find work in this field.

-Over the years I have emailed with prospective New School students, graduates and supervised one AT who first attended the program before going on to her Masters in AT. All of them shared the same story of what they were told they would be able to do after graduation, and most were not thrilled when they found out the hard truth when they went to look for a job.

-When these students/graduates register on my website they do so under the category of Creative Arts Therapy and in the areas of specialty they put a Creative Arts Therapy modality. Under education/credentials they put Certified Creative Arts Therapist. A few graduates tried to register to be listed on the referral section of my site as Creative Arts Therapists, citing their certificate as proof of qualification.

I invite you to read what this program promotes at http://www.generalstudies.newschool.edu/04e_certif_creativearts.htm

Even prior to the LCAT these students did and do not qualify to practice Creative Arts Therapy. Eventually I would like to see this program shut down.

Take Care,

Chriss

From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of christine alessandro (augello)Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:48 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: Digest Number 695

Hello All-

Was wondering if anyone would be interested in having New School Art Therapy students at their work site? It is an undergraduate class and the internship/volunteer time would be between 8-10 hours for one semester. Students would observe the art therapist to understand how art therapy is used with specific populations.

Please email me at christine0783@... if you're interested.

Thanks so much,

Augello

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

[Guest guest]

,

I suspect faculty at the New School either gives out material

or certainly refers to the respective organizaions and disciplines.

I always give out the web site address. Your suggestion of

giving out materials is a good one, though.

Elissa

> I just want to weigh in on this issue. I appreciate everyone's concerns.

> I think as the professions become more well known, we will see an

> increase in everyday usage. This means that many people, undergraduates

> included, will describe and interpret the professions differently, based

> on their own experiences. Many undergrads, grad students, and

> professionals I have taught are dissappointed that the CATs are not

> skills they can pick up quickly, in a workshop or class. Once they learn

> more about it, they are able to weigh in on whether they want to pursue

> the field or not.

> Perhaps the New School (and other programs) would be willing to accept

> materials from the CAT professions and distribute them at the beginning

> of each semester. Programs also can make an official statement of support

> of appropriate training for each CAT amd distribute to students. Maybe

> this is already done?

> Anyway I think we all have to rise to the challenge to educate and market

> our professions. I sometimes get tired of it; I mean I just wish people

> got it already. Then I meet a new group of alternate route dance/movement

> therapy students who are sacrificing so much to learn about the field,

> and I am inspired. A little education goes a long way.

> Armeniox

>

> Re: Digest Number 695

>

>  

>

> Hello All-

>

>  

>

> Was wondering if anyone would be interested in having New School Art

> Therapy students at their work site?  It is an undergraduate class and

> the internship/volunteer time would be between 8-10 hours for one

> semester.  Students would observe the art therapist to understand how art

> therapy is used with specific populations. 

>

>  

>

> Please email me at christine0783@... if you're interested. 

>

>  

>

> Thanks so much,

>

>  

>

> Augello

>

>

>

> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear NYCCAT Readers;

I find this type of dialogue to be stimulating and

especially important to the growth of all our CAT

fields. Just my two cents here..I was a former student

of the New School Program. In fact I think I took one

of the first drama therapy classes offered with

Gerturde Schattner. This class spurred me on to take

an intro class at NYU with as guest

intructor. Thereafer, I finished my MA at NYU and now

21 years later I have worked in the field for 16

years, now... " ahem " ....an LCAT.

I have had many interns since that time both from NYU

and from the New School. Both New School interns were

highly educated in theatre or psychology, eager to

learn and understood that their experience at the New

School was only a start into the profession. Of course

communication may have bogged down since then but

that's my two cents for now.

I also want to take the oppurtunity to say thanks to

all who have contributed to the growth and

understanding of what we do and to those who help us

clarify the direction of our professions in the

future.

Gaye Doner-Tudanger, MA, RDT, LCAT

Goodwill Industries CDT

--- Elissa White wrote:

> Hello,

>

> This, too, is in response to Chriss's comments about

> the New School's

> Creative

> Arts Therapy Certificate Program.

>

> I have been teaching dance therapy courses since

> 1971, first at the now

> defunct Hunter College Dance Therapy Program -- a

> graduate program -- and

> at the New School for some 10 semesters (mostly in

> the spring). I have had

> students do an " internship " at some facilities with

> the knowledge that this

> education, in and of itself, does not make a dance

> therapist. those

> interested

> in the field went on to graduate study.

>

> The advantage and beauty of the New School program

> is that people unaware

> of any of the creative arts therapies take courses

> and come from all walks

> of

> life, e.g., a U.N. employee, former dress designer,

> undergraduates

> completing

> a major in psychology, etc. As Barbara McKechnie

> stated, this spreads

> the

> word and people become acquainted with CATS who

> otherwise would remain

> ignorant of the field.

>

> It is unfortunate that Chriss has had some

> experiences which do not match

> the

> intent of the CAT certificate program. I don't

> think any of the faculty

> at the

> New School misleads students into believing they can

> come away from these

> studies expecting to be a full-fledged CAT. If

> anything they learn what a

> commitment it is to become a CAT and what further

> education is required,

> including requirements for the LCAT.

>

> Elissa White

>

>

>

>

> On Saturday, April 29, 2006, at 12:01 AM, Barbara

> Mckechnie wrote:

>

> > Greetings,

> > This is in response to Chriss's comments and

> concerns about the New

> > School's Creative Arts Therapy Certificate Program

> and the New School

> > interns.

> >  

> > I have great appreciation for the efforts of

> Chriss and others who have

> > worked so hard with NYCCAT to help establish

> licensure for creative arts

> > therapists. I have also devoted much time and

> energy to the growth and

> > professional standing of this field through my

> work in NADTand as part of

> > NJCATA. I feel quite differently from Chriss.

> Programs like the New

> > School do not detract from the field, but can

> serve to strengthen and

> > promote it.

> >  

> > I have only been teaching at the New School since

> Spring 2005, but have

> > found the program offers a valuable resource to

> the field of creative

> > arts therapies. In the two classes I have taught,

> several students have

> > made the  decision to continue their training in

> drama therapy.  The New

> > School Program gave them an opportunity to further

> establish their

> > interest and  ( I believe) gave them a competitive

> edge in application

> > and  " auditions "  for one of the 3 NADT approved

> programs in the US and

> > Canada (which accept only 15 -18 students

> annually). Of the many NYU

> > interns I have worked with, 3 had completed the

> New School Program prior

> > to attending NYU and spoke highly of their earlier

> training. In addition,

> >  more recently I have had 1 New School intern who

> went on to continue her

> > training in NYU's drama therapy. Currently I have

> 2 New School interns

> > who have been admitted to N! ADT approved programs

> at NYU and Concordia

> > in the Fall.

> >  

> > At the open houses that I  attended in 2005 or

> 2006 for the New School

> > Program, prospective students were told something

> to the effect that

> > there is employment out there, but it was made

> very clear that they could

> > not be licensed to do clinical work .  

> >  

> > There has been talk of trying to get the New

> School to offer classes on

> > the Graduate level to meet NY Licensure

> requirements. I hope this happens,

> > as it could be another source of alternative

> training - much needed in

> > our modality. This field cannot grow if there are

> so few educational

> > opportunities. In the meantime, I am grateful that

> there is a place like

> > the New School where those interested in exploring

> the possibilities of

> > careers in creative art therapy can study. I am

> also happy to introduce

> > this work to those students in related fields (

> arts in education,

> > Psychologists, social workers) and increase their

> awareness of the

> > benefits of creative arts therapy. I believe this

> will only make our

> > field stronger.

> >  

> > Barbara McKechnie

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >

> >  

> >

> > [Norton AntiSpam] New School

> Internships

> >

> > I would like to caution anyone thinking about

> offering an ‘internship’ to

> > a New School student.  To my knowledge an

> internship suggests that a

> > person will one day practice as a professional in

> that field.  As an Art

> > Therapist and host of the Arts in Therapy Network

> I have had first hand

> > experience with the program as well as prospective

> students, actual

> > students and graduates.

> >

> >  -Years ago I lectured to students in the program

> and was shocked to hear

> > the director of the program (a Music Therapist)

> tell the students they

> > could find work in this field. 

> >

> > -Over the years I have emailed with prospective

> New School students,

> > graduates and supervised one AT who first attended

> the program before

> > going on to her Masters in AT.  All of them shared

> the same story of what

> > they were told they would be able to do after

> graduation, and most were

> > not thrilled when they found out the hard truth

> when they went to look

> > for a job.    

> >

> > -When these students/graduates register on my

> website they do so under

> > the category of Creative Arts Therapy and in the

> areas of specialty they

> > put a Creative Arts Therapy modality.  Under

> education/credentials they

> > put Certified Creative Arts Therapist.  A few

> graduates tried to register

> > to be listed on the referral section of my site as

> Creative Arts

> > Therapists, citing their certificate as proof of

> qualification. 

> >

> >  

> >

> > I invite you to read what this program promotes at

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http://www.generalstudies.newschool.edu/04e_certif_creativearts.htm

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Hi.

I am weighing in on this issue, too, as I taught drama therapy at the New School for several years, while I was also the Chair of NYCCAT. At the time, my students (as well as those studying all of the other CATs) were well aware of the limitations and benefits of their course of study. In fact, I discussed licensure and professional requirements all the time (as I'm sure the current instructors do). I had the pleasure of working with wonderful students, many of whom are now my colleagues and RDTs! I was also an advisor (each certificate student is assigned an advisor) and so I met with each student to create goals - for both undergraduate and graduate study (I wrote many recommendations for the MA programs). Those who were not in the certificate program had the opportunity to "check out" creative arts therapy, which is certainly a positive thing - outreach and education!! Certainly, there were students who decided not to pursue further education, and perhaps they went on to work in the social service or education field - as many people who receive Bachelor degrees can. However, I believe wholeheartedly that it is a wonderful program that helps to prepare students for future careers - first as graduate students, and then as professionals.

Kim

Galway, LCAT, RDT-BCTCreative Therapy and Learning Centerwww.creativetherapykids.com

Re: New School Internships

Dear NYCCAT Readers;

I find this type of dialogue to be stimulating and

especially important to the growth of all our CAT

fields. Just my two cents here..I was a former student

of the New School Program. In fact I think I took one

of the first drama therapy classes offered with

Gerturde Schattner. This class spurred me on to take

an intro class at NYU with as guest

intructor. Thereafer, I finished my MA at NYU and now

21 years later I have worked in the field for 16

years, now... "ahem"....an LCAT. I have had many interns since that time both from NYU

and from the New School. Both New School interns were

highly educated in theatre or psychology, eager to

learn and understood that their experience at the New

School was only a start into the profession. Of course

communication may have bogged down since then but

that's my two cents for now.

I also want to take the oppurtunity to say thanks to

all who have contributed to the growth and

understanding of what we do and to those who help us

clarify the direction of our professions in the

future.

Gaye Doner-Tudanger, MA, RDT, LCAT

Goodwill Industries CDT

--- Elissa White <creeklocks1rcn> wrote:

> Hello,

> > This, too, is in response to Chriss's comments about

> the New School's > Creative

> Arts Therapy Certificate Program.

> > I have been teaching dance therapy courses since

> 1971, first at the now

> defunct Hunter College Dance Therapy Program -- a

> graduate program -- and

> at the New School for some 10 semesters (mostly in

> the spring). I have had

> students do an "internship" at some facilities with

> the knowledge that this

> education, in and of itself, does not make a dance

> therapist. those > interested

> in the field went on to graduate study.

> > The advantage and beauty of the New School program

> is that people unaware

> of any of the creative arts therapies take courses

> and come from all walks > of

> life, e.g., a U.N. employee, former dress designer,

> undergraduates > completing

> a major in psychology, etc. As Barbara McKechnie

> stated, this spreads > the

> word and people become acquainted with CATS who

> otherwise would remain

> ignorant of the field.

> > It is unfortunate that Chriss has had some

> experiences which do not match > the

> intent of the CAT certificate program. I don't

> think any of the faculty > at the

> New School misleads students into believing they can

> come away from these

> studies expecting to be a full-fledged CAT. If

> anything they learn what a

> commitment it is to become a CAT and what further

> education is required,

> including requirements for the LCAT.

> > Elissa White

> > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2006, at 12:01 AM, Barbara

> Mckechnie wrote:

> > > Greetings,

> > This is in response to Chriss's comments and

> concerns about the New > > School's Creative Arts Therapy Certificate Program

> and the New School > > interns.

> >

> > I have great appreciation for the efforts of

> Chriss and others who have > > worked so hard with NYCCAT to help establish

> licensure for creative arts > > therapists. I have also devoted much time and

> energy to the growth and > > professional standing of this field through my

> work in NADTand as part of > > NJCATA. I feel quite differently from Chriss.

> Programs like the New > > School do not detract from the field, but can

> serve to strengthen and > > promote it.

> >

> > I have only been teaching at the New School since

> Spring 2005, but have > > found the program offers a valuable resource to

> the field of creative > > arts therapies. In the two classes I have taught,

> several students have > > made the decision to continue their training in

> drama therapy. The New > > School Program gave them an opportunity to further

> establish their > > interest and ( I believe) gave them a competitive

> edge in application > > and "auditions" for one of the 3 NADT approved

> programs in the US and > > Canada (which accept only 15 -18 students

> annually). Of the many NYU > > interns I have worked with, 3 had completed the

> New School Program prior > > to attending NYU and spoke highly of their earlier

> training. In addition,

> > more recently I have had 1 New School intern who

> went on to continue her > > training in NYU's drama therapy. Currently I have

> 2 New School interns > > who have been admitted to N! ADT approved programs

> at NYU and Concordia > > in the Fall.

> >

> > At the open houses that I attended in 2005 or

> 2006 for the New School > > Program, prospective students were told something

> to the effect that > > there is employment out there, but it was made

> very clear that they could > > not be licensed to do clinical work .

> >

> > There has been talk of trying to get the New

> School to offer classes on > > the Graduate level to meet NY Licensure

> requirements. I hope this happens,

> > as it could be another source of alternative

> training - much needed in > > our modality. This field cannot grow if there are

> so few educational > > opportunities. In the meantime, I am grateful that

> there is a place like > > the New School where those interested in exploring

> the possibilities of > > careers in creative art therapy can study. I am

> also happy to introduce > > this work to those students in related fields (

> arts in education, > > Psychologists, social workers) and increase their

> awareness of the > > benefits of creative arts therapy. I believe this

> will only make our > > field stronger.

> >

> > Barbara McKechnie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Norton AntiSpam] New School

> Internships

> >

> > I would like to caution anyone thinking about

> offering an ‘internship’ to > > a New School student. To my knowledge an

> internship suggests that a > > person will one day practice as a professional in

> that field. As an Art > > Therapist and host of the Arts in Therapy Network

> I have had first hand > > experience with the program as well as prospective

> students, actual > > students and graduates.

> >

> > -Years ago I lectured to students in the program

> and was shocked to hear > > the director of the program (a Music Therapist)

> tell the students they > > could find work in this field.

> >

> > -Over the years I have emailed with prospective

> New School students, > > graduates and supervised one AT who first attended

> the program before > > going on to her Masters in AT. All of them shared

> the same story of what > > they were told they would be able to do after

> graduation, and most were > > not thrilled when they found out the hard truth

> when they went to look > > for a job.

> >

> > -When these students/graduates register on my

> website they do so under > > the category of Creative Arts Therapy and in the

> areas of specialty they > > put a Creative Arts Therapy modality. Under

> education/credentials they > > put Certified Creative Arts Therapist. A few

> graduates tried to register > > to be listed on the referral section of my site as

> Creative Arts > > Therapists, citing their certificate as proof of

> qualification.

> >

> >

> >

> > I invite you to read what this program promotes at

> > >

>

http://www.generalstudies.newschool.edu/04e_certif_creativearts.htm

> >

> >

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It seems that, if anything, we should be trying to create more programs, not eliminate them : ) Gaines, MA, RDT Candidatekcgalway@... wrote: Hi. I am weighing in on this issue, too, as I taught drama therapy at the New School for several years, while I was also the Chair of NYCCAT. At the time, my students (as well as those studying all of the other CATs) were well aware of the limitations and benefits of their course of study. In fact, I discussed licensure and professional requirements all the time (as I'm sure the current instructors do). I had the pleasure of working with wonderful students, many of whom are now my colleagues and RDTs! I

was also an advisor (each certificate student is assigned an advisor) and so I met with each student to create goals - for both undergraduate and graduate study (I wrote many recommendations for the MA programs). Those who were not in the certificate program had the opportunity to "check out" creative arts therapy, which is certainly a positive thing - outreach and education!! Certainly, there were students who decided not to pursue further education, and perhaps they went on to work in the social service or education field - as many people who receive Bachelor degrees can. However, I believe wholeheartedly that it is a wonderful program that helps to prepare students for future careers - first as graduate students, and then as professionals. Kim Galway, LCAT, RDT-BCTCreative Therapy and Learning Centerwww.creativetherapykids.com Re: New School Internships Dear NYCCAT Readers;I find this type of dialogue to be stimulating andespecially important to the growth of all our CATfields. Just my two cents here..I was a former studentof the New School Program. In fact I think I took oneof the first drama therapy classes offered withGerturde Schattner. This class spurred me on to takean intro class at NYU with as guestintructor. Thereafer, I finished my MA at NYU and now21 years later I

have worked in the field for 16years, now... "ahem"....an LCAT. I have had many interns since that time both from NYUand from the New School. Both New School interns werehighly educated in theatre or psychology, eager tolearn and understood that their experience at the NewSchool was only a start into the profession. Of coursecommunication may have bogged down since then butthat's my two cents for now.I also want to take the oppurtunity to say thanks toall who have contributed to the growth andunderstanding of what we do and to those who help usclarify the direction of our professions in thefuture.Gaye Doner-Tudanger, MA, RDT, LCATGoodwill Industries CDT--- Elissa White <creeklocks1rcn> wrote:> Hello,> > This, too, is in response to Chriss's comments about> the New School's > Creative> Arts Therapy Certificate Program.> > I have been teaching dance therapy courses since> 1971, first at the now> defunct Hunter College Dance Therapy Program -- a> graduate program -- and> at the New School for some 10 semesters (mostly in> the spring). I have had> students do an "internship" at some facilities with> the knowledge that this> education, in and of itself, does not make a dance> therapist. those > interested> in the field went on to graduate study.> > The advantage

and beauty of the New School program> is that people unaware> of any of the creative arts therapies take courses> and come from all walks > of> life, e.g., a U.N. employee, former dress designer,> undergraduates > completing> a major in psychology, etc. As Barbara McKechnie> stated, this spreads > the> word and people become acquainted with CATS who> otherwise would remain> ignorant of the field.> > It is unfortunate that Chriss has had some> experiences which do not match > the> intent of the CAT certificate program. I don't> think any of the faculty > at the> New School misleads students into believing they can> come away from these> studies expecting to be a full-fledged CAT. If> anything

they learn what a> commitment it is to become a CAT and what further> education is required,> including requirements for the LCAT.> > Elissa White> > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2006, at 12:01 AM, Barbara> Mckechnie wrote:> > > Greetings,> > This is in response to Chriss's comments and> concerns about the New > > School's Creative Arts Therapy Certificate Program> and the New School > > interns.> > > > I have great appreciation for the efforts of> Chriss and others who have > > worked so hard with NYCCAT to help establish> licensure for creative arts > > therapists. I have also devoted much time and> energy to the growth and > > professional standing of this field through my> work in NADTand as part of > > NJCATA. I feel quite differently from Chriss.> Programs like the New > > School do not detract from the field, but can> serve to strengthen and > > promote it.> > > > I have only been teaching at the New School since> Spring 2005, but have > > found the program offers a valuable resource to> the field of creative > > arts therapies. In the two classes I have taught,> several students have > > made the decision to continue their training in> drama

therapy. The New > > School Program gave them an opportunity to further> establish their > > interest and ( I believe) gave them a competitive> edge in application > > and "auditions" for one of the 3 NADT approved> programs in the US and > > Canada (which accept only 15 -18 students> annually). Of the many NYU > > interns I have worked with, 3 had completed the> New School Program prior > > to attending NYU and spoke highly of their earlier> training. In addition,> > more recently I have had 1 New School intern who> went on to continue her > > training in NYU's drama therapy. Currently I have> 2 New School interns > > who have been admitted to N! ADT approved programs> at NYU and

Concordia > > in the Fall.> > > > At the open houses that I attended in 2005 or> 2006 for the New School > > Program, prospective students were told something> to the effect that > > there is employment out there, but it was made> very clear that they could > > not be licensed to do clinical work . > > > > There has been talk of trying to get the New> School to offer classes on > > the Graduate level to meet NY Licensure> requirements. I hope this happens,> > as it could be another source of alternative> training - much needed in > > our modality. This field cannot grow if there are> so few educational > > opportunities. In the meantime, I am grateful that> there is a place like > >

the New School where those interested in exploring> the possibilities of > > careers in creative art therapy can study. I am> also happy to introduce > > this work to those students in related fields (> arts in education, > > Psychologists, social workers) and increase their> awareness of the > > benefits of creative arts therapy. I believe this> will only make our > > field stronger.> > > > Barbara McKechnie> > > > > > > >> > > >> > [Norton AntiSpam] New School> Internships> >> > I would like to caution anyone thinking about> offering an ‘internship’ to > > a New School student. To my knowledge an> internship suggests that a > > person will one day practice as a professional in> that field. As an Art > > Therapist and host of the Arts in Therapy Network> I have had first hand > > experience with the program as well as prospective> students, actual > > students and graduates.> >> > -Years ago I lectured to students in the program> and was shocked to hear > > the director of the program (a Music Therapist)> tell the students they > > could find work in this field. > >>

> -Over the years I have emailed with prospective> New School students, > > graduates and supervised one AT who first attended> the program before > > going on to her Masters in AT. All of them shared> the same story of what > > they were told they would be able to do after> graduation, and most were > > not thrilled when they found out the hard truth> when they went to look > > for a job. > >> > -When these students/graduates register on my> website they do so under > > the category of Creative Arts Therapy and in the> areas of specialty they > > put a Creative Arts Therapy modality. Under> education/credentials they > > put Certified Creative Arts Therapist. A few> graduates tried to register > > to be listed on the referral

section of my site as> Creative Arts > > Therapists, citing their certificate as proof of> qualification. > >> > > >> > I invite you to read what this program promotes at> > >>http://www.generalstudies.newschool.edu/04e_certif_creativearts.htm> >> > > === message truncated ===__________________________________________________