Re: Facial emotion reference

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Hi ,

One author who comes immediately to mind is Desmond , and I

would suggest looking for his books in your library. He published

" Bodytalk: the meaning of Human Gestures " in 1996 and Peoplewatching

in 2002. Though these were written for the general public, they have

been listed in bibliographies as resources for ASD folks. You might

also search your local library's data base under the subject header

" nonverbal communication " " interpersonal communication " and also

books and tapes and DVDs created for management and employee relations.

- Helen

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If that is the DVD, I have a copy. Not found it useful, simply I do not

understand or recognise. Probably doesn't matter anyway for me, I meet

hardly anyone.

There was a small crowd in the US who did research including high speed

filming, documented the stuff. Not seen mention of them recently.

Not sure this is stuff for the list.

Princess wrote:

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> I am writing to ask if anyone knows of a good reference for AS adults for

learning more about recognizing facial emotion. I am learning a lot from Simon

Baron- Cohen's software, but eventually I will learn all there is on it. then,

what? I have Ekman's book on micro-expressions, but the last time I tried

reading it, that book appeared to be too hard for me. Perhaps i will slowly

and carefully try again, after I finish learning what is on this software. I

would love it if anyone knows of an intermediate reference.

>

> Also, is there a good reference on emotions and the names of feelings at the

adult AS level? I am learning the names and descriptions of emotions on this

software, but will learn all of them quite soon. (Recognizing them on a face is

quite hard for me; learning their definitions and how to recognize them in real

life situations appears to be much easier for me. It is like I am getting names

for all these feelings I have experienced myself or seen in others, and never

knew how to describe them in a word or two at all!)

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> Finally, I would love to learn more theory of mind than I now have- I know

that just by interacting and asking why, I get some. Any good references that I

can read would be great.

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> Thanks,

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Thanks Helen! I just copied these refer4ences by hand, because my rinter is out of ink. Helen Foisy wrote: Hi ,One author who comes immediately to mind is Desmond , and I would suggest looking for his books in your library. He published "Bodytalk: the meaning of Human Gestures" in 1996 and Peoplewatching in 2002. Though these were written for the general public, they have been listed

in bibliographies as resources for ASD folks. You might also search your local library's data base under the subject header "nonverbal communication" "interpersonal communication" and also books and tapes and DVDs created for management and employee relations.- Helen

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Tim, thanks for replying--Are you talking about Ekman's DVD? At present, my facial processing is way too slow to use a micro-=expression: I could not even decipher his photographs well- he has a book called "telling lies" and other books, all about discerning what is going on when a person tries to show one emotion while feeling another. While this would be useful for me to know, since I cannot read emotion well when it isn't disguised, this was like trying to do college level work when I am a pre-schooler. I do not have the DVD, but I am sure that i would not be able to use it either- at least not without extensive study first. However, I have finally learned to tell anger, surprise, and fear apart-- I think. In surprise, the eyebrows appear to go up- in fear, the eyebrows are lower, and in anger, they are straight across- between these other two expressions. If I have to look down

to see if there are clenched teeth or not, I will likely fail, at least for the moment-- I am still working at visual central coherence. (I did learn to drive, and drive well. Can this really be harder?? That's what I keep asking myself.) Tim Channon wrote: If that is the DVD, I have a copy. Not found it useful, simply I do notunderstand or recognise. Probably doesn't matter anyway for me, I meethardly anyone.There was a small crowd in the US who did

research including high speedfilming, documented the stuff. Not seen mention of them recently.Not sure this is stuff for the list.Princess wrote:> > I am writing to ask if anyone knows of a good reference for AS adults for learning more about recognizing facial emotion. I am learning a lot from Simon Baron- Cohen's software, but eventually I will learn all there is on it. then, what? I have Ekman's book on micro-expressions, but the last time I tried reading it, that book appeared to be too hard for me. Perhaps i will slowly and carefully try again, after I finish learning what is on this software. I would love it if anyone knows of an intermediate reference.> > Also, is there a good reference on emotions and the names of feelings at the adult AS level? I am learning the names and descriptions of emotions on this software, but will learn all of them quite soon. (Recognizing them on a face is quite hard for me;

learning their definitions and how to recognize them in real life situations appears to be much easier for me. It is like I am getting names for all these feelings I have experienced myself or seen in others, and never knew how to describe them in a word or two at all!) > > Finally, I would love to learn more theory of mind than I now have- I know that just by interacting and asking why, I get some. Any good references that I can read would be great.> > Thanks,> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

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No, Baron-Cohen's.

At best you will get a better idea of what people do but it is

impossible to gain any high speed processing, the information is routed

to the wrong part of your brain, it's slower going all around the

houses, so to speak. (sorry if that is too English English)

A common thing is loving movement, why driving is important to many. As

alert people it's likely we do it well. (the so called passives, people

who are not really there tend to be the high risk road users and there

are billions of them).

Allied to that is something I wonder about: the tales about women being

poor drivers are largely based on fact, caused by low spatial awareness

and poor attention / concentration. I say that without prejudice on any

individual, people vary.

Princess wrote:

> Tim,

>

> thanks for replying--Are you talking about Ekman's DVD? At present, my

facial processing is way too slow to use a micro-=expression: I could not even

decipher his photographs well- he has a book called " telling lies " and other

books, all about discerning what is going on when a person tries to show one

emotion while feeling another. While this would be useful for me to know, since

I cannot read emotion well when it isn't disguised, this was like trying to do

college level work when I am a pre-schooler. I do not have the DVD, but I am

sure that i would not be able to use it either- at least not without extensive

study first. However, I have finally learned to tell anger, surprise, and fear

apart-- I think. In surprise, the eyebrows appear to go up- in fear, the

eyebrows are lower, and in anger, they are straight across- between these other

two expressions. If I have to look down to see if there are clenched teeth or

not, I will likely fail, at least for the

> moment-- I am still working at visual central coherence. (I did learn to

drive, and drive well. Can this really be harder?? That's what I keep asking

myself.)

>

>

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> Tim Channon wrote:

> If that is the DVD, I have a copy. Not found it useful, simply I do

not

> understand or recognise. Probably doesn't matter anyway for me, I meet

> hardly anyone.

>

> There was a small crowd in the US who did research including high speed

> filming, documented the stuff. Not seen mention of them recently.

>

> Not sure this is stuff for the list.

>

> Princess wrote:

>> I am writing to ask if anyone knows of a good reference for AS adults for

learning more about recognizing facial emotion. I am learning a lot from Simon

Baron- Cohen's software, but eventually I will learn all there is on it. then,

what? I have Ekman's book on micro-expressions, but the last time I tried

reading it, that book appeared to be too hard for me. Perhaps i will slowly and

carefully try again, after I finish learning what is on this software. I would

love it if anyone knows of an intermediate reference.

>>

>> Also, is there a good reference on emotions and the names of feelings at the

adult AS level? I am learning the names and descriptions of emotions on this

software, but will learn all of them quite soon. (Recognizing them on a face is

quite hard for me; learning their definitions and how to recognize them in real

life situations appears to be much easier for me. It is like I am getting names

for all these feelings I have experienced myself or seen in others, and never

knew how to describe them in a word or two at all!)

>>

>> Finally, I would love to learn more theory of mind than I now have- I know

that just by interacting and asking why, I get some. Any good references that I

can read would be great.

>>

>> Thanks,

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Hi Tim, Thanks for replying--No offense taken. While a number of my women friends have weaker spatial skills than I do, mine test out at the 95th percentile -- perhaps higher now- I will find out when I am tested Feb. 9th perhaps). Indeed, while I cannot remember a face by looking at it, if I can convince a friend to make faces at me for about 2.5 ot 3 seconds, then my friend's face will generally imprint. this way, I have gotten maybe 5 people or so stuck in my head, and they are really there. I got another 5 or 6 another way. Baron- Cohen's stuff actually is sticking in my head merely because it is in motiion- were it static, I would not get it at all. I have had to be really disciplined about not doing too much at any one timne, and about reviewing often. I feel it in a sense that part of it has stuck- but I am only confident in basic things like knowing the difference between anger, fear,

and surprise. I will have to see if I can do it in real life. I have not tried to study concealed emotion at all, and Baron-Cohen does not have any. I am sure I cannot do that, expcet by indirect means. As for driving, I was not a great driver until I had practiced quite a bit. It took months of a long commute that went through city streets for a lot of the way, before I realized that I can really drive well. I think some part of my brain picked it up at a lower level, and that I do not need as much central processing anymore to do it well, except in unusual circumstances. If something is out of the ordinary (for example, I have to drive across a narrow bridge without a railing in icy conditioins), of course, I think harder than the next guy-- as you might. Tim Channon

wrote: No, Baron-Cohen's.At best you will get a better idea of what people do but it isimpossible to gain any high speed processing, the information is routedto the wrong part of your brain, it's slower going all around thehouses, so to speak. (sorry if that is too English English)A common thing is loving movement, why driving is important to many. Asalert people it's likely we do it well. (the so called passives, peoplewho are not really there tend to be the high risk road users and thereare billions of them).Allied to

that is something I wonder about: the tales about women beingpoor drivers are largely based on fact, caused by low spatial awarenessand poor attention / concentration. I say that without prejudice on anyindividual, people vary.Princess wrote:> Tim,> > thanks for replying--Are you talking about Ekman's DVD? At present, my facial processing is way too slow to use a micro-=expression: I could not even decipher his photographs well- he has a book called "telling lies" and other books, all about discerning what is going on when a person tries to show one emotion while feeling another. While this would be useful for me to know, since I cannot read emotion well when it isn't disguised, this was like trying to do college level work when I am a pre-schooler. I do not have the DVD, but I am sure that i would not be able to use it either- at least not without extensive study first. However, I have finally learned to tell anger,

surprise, and fear apart-- I think. In surprise, the eyebrows appear to go up- in fear, the eyebrows are lower, and in anger, they are straight across- between these other two expressions. If I have to look down to see if there are clenched teeth or not, I will likely fail, at least for the> moment-- I am still working at visual central coherence. (I did learn to drive, and drive well. Can this really be harder?? That's what I keep asking myself.)> > > > Tim Channon wrote:> If that is the DVD, I have a copy. Not found it useful, simply I do not> understand or recognise. Probably doesn't matter anyway for me, I meet> hardly anyone.> > There was a small crowd in the US who did research including high speed> filming, documented the stuff. Not seen mention of them recently.> > Not sure this is stuff for the list.>

> Princess wrote:>> I am writing to ask if anyone knows of a good reference for AS adults for learning more about recognizing facial emotion. I am learning a lot from Simon Baron- Cohen's software, but eventually I will learn all there is on it. then, what? I have Ekman's book on micro-expressions, but the last time I tried reading it, that book appeared to be too hard for me. Perhaps i will slowly and carefully try again, after I finish learning what is on this software. I would love it if anyone knows of an intermediate reference.>>>> Also, is there a good reference on emotions and the names of feelings at the adult AS level? I am learning the names and descriptions of emotions on this software, but will learn all of them quite soon. (Recognizing them on a face is quite hard for me; learning their definitions and how to recognize them in real life situations appears to be much easier for me. It is like I am getting names

for all these feelings I have experienced myself or seen in others, and never knew how to describe them in a word or two at all!) >>>> Finally, I would love to learn more theory of mind than I now have- I know that just by interacting and asking why, I get some. Any good references that I can read would be great.>>>> Thanks,>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

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I can't imagine how a person can learn these things using this method... I would find it very daunting. Has it been helpful to you?  Do all human beings react with the same facial expressions to the same emotion?  I think it is a lot more complex than this.. but perhaps the 'experts' have it figured out?   ?????  I sense your frustration and admire you for taking on this huge task... wishing you success... Janet ZEEI am writing to ask if anyone knows of a good reference for AS adults for learning more about recognizing facial emotion.  I am learning a lot from Simon Baron- Cohen's software, but eventually I will learn all there is on it.  then, what?  I have Ekman's book on micro-expressions, but the last time I tried reading it, that  book appeared to be too hard for me.  Perhaps i will slowly and carefully try again, after I finish learning what is on this software.  I would love it if anyone knows of an intermediate reference. Also, is there a good reference on emotions and the names of feelings at the adult AS level?  I am learning the names and descriptions of emotions on this software, but will learn all of them quite soon.  (Recognizing them on a face is quite hard for me;  learning their definitions and how to recognize them in real life situations appears to be much easier for me.  It is like I am getting names for all these feelings I have experienced myself or seen in others, and never knew how to describe them in a word or two at all!) Finally, I would love to learn more theory of mind than I now have- I know that just by interacting and asking why, I get some.  Any good references that I can read would be great. Thanks,   Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

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Janet Zimmerman wrote:

> I can't imagine how a person can learn these things using this method...

> I would find it very daunting. Has it been helpful to you? Do all human

> beings react with the same facial expressions to the same emotion? I

> think it is a lot more complex than this.. but perhaps the 'experts'

> have it figured out? ????? I sense your frustration and admire you

> for taking on this huge task... wishing you success... Janet ZEE

I doubt all people are the same.

After some effort I manage to create a list of all the " emotions " on the

Baron-Cohen DVD. Rather long.

Many of them are I think dubious, do they really exist as distinct entities?