Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I don't see how OMH is exempt; I was handed an email by my supervisor where they asked me to provide proof of applying for a license by Jan 1st. There has also been a concern about clinical supervision. The OMH can not provide any for me. Re: LCAT and OMH If OMH facilities are exempt (they might just be), then being told you have to have a license to practice Creative Arts Therapy in NY is a contradiction. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out > > This mostly depends on whether the law exempts institutions from hiring > licensed professionals. If it does, it will be difficult to make any > changes. > Armeniox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I pulled this directly from the law (it's posted under the Office of Professions website), regarding "exemptions" for government facilities: Note: Sunset provision for individuals employed by certain programs Section 17-a of chapter 676 of the Laws of 2002, as amended by section 1 of chapter 419 of the Laws of 2003, provides: "Nothing in this act shall prohibit or limit the activities or services on the part of any person in the employ of a program or service operated, regulated, funded, or approved by the department of mental hygiene or the office of children and family services, or a local government unit as that term is defined in article 41 of the mental hygiene law or a social services district as defined in section 61 of the social services law, provided, however, this section shall not authorize the use of any title authorized pursuant to article 153 or 163 of the education law, except as otherwise provided by such articles, except that this section shall be deemed repealed on January 1, 2010."Kim Galway, MA, RDT-BCTCreative Therapy and Learning Centerwww.creativetherapykids.com Re: LCAT and OMH If OMH facilities are exempt (they might just be), then being told you have to have a license to practice Creative Arts Therapy in NY is a contradiction. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out > > This mostly depends on whether the law exempts institutions from hiring > licensed professionals. If it does, it will be difficult to make any > changes. > Armeniox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 The law is for private practice- it protects consumers from private practitioners who may not be qualified to provide services. Whether the state legislators elect to require licensed professionals in their insitutions is up to them- and you if youcommunicate with them. Re: LCAT and OMH > If OMH facilities are exempt (they might just be), then being told you > have to have a license to practice Creative Arts Therapy in NY is a > contradiction. > > It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out > > > > > > This mostly depends on whether the law exempts institutions from > hiring > > licensed professionals. If it does, it will be difficult to make any > > changes. > > Armeniox > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Thank you! Re: LCAT and OMH If OMH facilities are exempt (they might just be), then being told you have to have a license to practice Creative Arts Therapy in NY is a contradiction. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out > > This mostly depends on whether the law exempts institutions from hiring > licensed professionals. If it does, it will be difficult to make any > changes. > Armeniox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Thanks. I had no idea there was an established union that represented OMH employees. -M> * New Years Resolution--become more informed. > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 I wasn't speaking of OMH employees actually; I am sorry if that was unclear. I was speaking of the private hospital sector, regulated by OMH of course, where there is a Union presence. I do not directly work for OMH but, like everyone else, we abide by their assessments of our facility and programming. The hospital I am in has an 1199 Union contract that stipulates pay based on 2 grades of education level: Bachelors or Masters, regardless of modality/ discipline, all are subsumed under " psychiatric rehabilitation " . It may be more confusing than helpful to add this to the discussion however I mention it because there is precedent within the field for varied pay scale based on education despite the same job title. Hope that clears up any misunderstanding. -Marie Re: Re: LCAT and OMH Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:08:34 -0800 (PST) > > Thanks. I had no idea there was an established union that > represented OMH employees. -M> > > * New Years Resolution--become more informed. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC\ =lycos10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Yes, this is helpful. Many years ago, I also worked at a private hospital that was regulated by OMH and our pay was based on education level despite job title. Marie Carstens wrote: I wasn't speaking of OMH employees actually; I am sorry if that was unclear. I was speaking of the private hospital sector, regulated by OMH of course, where there is a Union presence. I do not directly work for OMH but, like everyone else, we abide by their assessments of our facility and programming. The hospital I am in has an 1199 Union contract that stipulates pay based on 2 grades of education level: Bachelors or Masters, regardless of modality/ discipline, all are subsumed under "psychiatric rehabilitation". It may be more confusing than helpful to add this to the discussion however I mention it because there is precedent within the field for varied pay scale based on education despite the same job title. Hope that clears up any misunderstanding.-Marie ----- Original Message -----To: NYCCAT Subject: Re: Re: LCAT and OMHDate: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:08:34 -0800 (PST)> > Thanks. I had no idea there was an established union that > represented OMH employees. -M>> > * New Years Resolution--become more informed.> > > >> > > ---------------------------------> Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.-- _______________________________________________Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pageshttp://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Maybe I am missed something, PEF does represent OMH professional NYS employees as well. I believe your hospitals policy, taking education into account, makes much more sense than what OMH is doing in its own hospitals. Kathy Re: Re: LCAT and OMH I wasn't speaking of OMH employees actually; I am sorry if that was unclear. I was speaking of the private hospital sector, regulated by OMH of course, where there is a Union presence. I do not directly work for OMH but, like everyone else, we abide by their assessments of our facility and programming. The hospital I am in has an 1199 Union contract that stipulates pay based on 2 grades of education level: Bachelors or Masters, regardless of modality/ discipline, all are subsumed under " psychiatric rehabilitation " . It may be more confusing than helpful to add this to the discussion however I mention it because there is precedent within the field for varied pay scale based on education despite the same job title. Hope that clears up any misunderstanding. -Marie Re: Re: LCAT and OMH Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:08:34 -0800 (PST) > > Thanks. I had no idea there was an established union that > represented OMH employees. -M> > > * New Years Resolution--become more informed. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Dear , I think you have identified the next frontier (fight?) > >Reply-To: NYCCAT >To: NYCCAT >Subject: LCAT and OMH >Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:10:56 -0000 > >I wonder if there is anyone who is a state employee for OMH who has >received or working on their LCAT. I just got mine in the mail and >am trying to find the value of it. > >Do the state (OMH) and / or Civil Service acknowledge the license in >anyway in an OMH setting? For example, does a LCAT command a higher >salary grade and/or title change? If so is it automatic, or does it >have to be requested for review? > >Like many Creative Arts Therapist, I'm in an odd situation where I >am more credentialed than my peers, yet titled lower due to, in >part, that Creative Arts Therapy is a parenthetic to the overall >title of Recreation Therapist. > >There is no Senior title for Creative Arts Therapist, and the only >way to gain that title is to take the standard Senior Recreation >Therapist exam which is not specific to Creative Arts Therapy, then >wait for an opening. Yet most openings at the senior level are >generic, and in turn, may limit the chances for advancement. > >Maybe OMH and Civil Service can create a Creative Arts Therapist >title separate from Recreation Therapy. What can we do to start that >process? > >I got this license to help improve the credibility of my profession. >I don't now if I've accomplished that in the setting that I'm in. >But it's too early to tell. > >Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Walters LCAT-ATR >Licensed Creative Arts Therapist > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 , Thanks for the support. I'd hate to call this a fight. I just want this license to get the recognition it deserves. > > Dear , > > I think you have identified the next frontier (fight?) > > > > > >From: " kw13161 " <kwmatatr@o...> > >Reply-To: NYCCAT > >To: NYCCAT > >Subject: LCAT and OMH > >Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:10:56 -0000 > > > >I wonder if there is anyone who is a state employee for OMH who has > >received or working on their LCAT. I just got mine in the mail and > >am trying to find the value of it. > > > >Do the state (OMH) and / or Civil Service acknowledge the license in > >anyway in an OMH setting? For example, does a LCAT command a higher > >salary grade and/or title change? If so is it automatic, or does it > >have to be requested for review? > > > >Like many Creative Arts Therapist, I'm in an odd situation where I > >am more credentialed than my peers, yet titled lower due to, in > >part, that Creative Arts Therapy is a parenthetic to the overall > >title of Recreation Therapist. > > > >There is no Senior title for Creative Arts Therapist, and the only > >way to gain that title is to take the standard Senior Recreation > >Therapist exam which is not specific to Creative Arts Therapy, then > >wait for an opening. Yet most openings at the senior level are > >generic, and in turn, may limit the chances for advancement. > > > >Maybe OMH and Civil Service can create a Creative Arts Therapist > >title separate from Recreation Therapy. What can we do to start that > >process? > > > >I got this license to help improve the credibility of my profession. > >I don't now if I've accomplished that in the setting that I'm in. > >But it's too early to tell. > > > >Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Walters LCAT-ATR > >Licensed Creative Arts Therapist > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I echo Joan Wittig's thoughts about masters level vs bachelors level job titles. Art Therapists have to have a Masters Degree in order to call themselves Art Therapists so job titles should respect this his/herstory of the field. It is important that the field of Art Therapy not give itself away too easily to be defined by an outside profession. This dilutes its purpose and makes Art Therapy something else but certainly NOT Art Therapy as it has been defined in its historical context. Barbara Ann Levy, MFA, MPS, ATR-BC Barbaraannlevy@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hello , The most obvious benefit of your new license is that it allows you to continue to practice as a creative arts therapist in New York. Without the license, it would be illegal for you to practice. Though it is true that government agencies are exempt, meaning that unlicensed people can continue to work, these exemptions are temporary, and have to do with protecting workers who have been doing jobs for many years that they now do not meet the qualifications for. OMH is an interesting organization. I can only tell you that some 2 years ago when our bill was passed, their legal department immediately contacted SED to begin discussions about how they would have to change their standards to accomodate the new legislation. I don't know what exactly has come of this, but it is hopeful information. Our work is not done just because we have a license. We will have to continue to lobby for recognition and the right to work. Don't stop now. Yours, Joan Wittig LCAT and OMH I wonder if there is anyone who is a state employee for OMH who has received or working on their LCAT. I just got mine in the mail and am trying to find the value of it. Do the state (OMH) and / or Civil Service acknowledge the license in anyway in an OMH setting? For example, does a LCAT command a higher salary grade and/or title change? If so is it automatic, or does it have to be requested for review? Like many Creative Arts Therapist, I'm in an odd situation where I am more credentialed than my peers, yet titled lower due to, in part, that Creative Arts Therapy is a parenthetic to the overall title of Recreation Therapist. There is no Senior title for Creative Arts Therapist, and the only way to gain that title is to take the standard Senior Recreation Therapist exam which is not specific to Creative Arts Therapy, then wait for an opening. Yet most openings at the senior level are generic, and in turn, may limit the chances for advancement. Maybe OMH and Civil Service can create a Creative Arts Therapist title separate from Recreation Therapy. What can we do to start that process? I got this license to help improve the credibility of my profession. I don't now if I've accomplished that in the setting that I'm in. But it's too early to tell. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Walters LCAT-ATR Licensed Creative Arts Therapist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 One other bit of history regarding this: Some 12 or so years ago HHC (New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation) agreed in theory to create a new job line for creative arts therapists after the city union, local 768 of DC37, pressed the issue. The city then said they couldn't do anything at that time, because they didn't have the money to update the pay of all the CAT's working on bachelor lines, to masters level salaries. Of course, they have never done anything about this. But perhaps now is a time for us to press this issue. It may be useful to press the issue that the state has drawn the line for therapists at the master's level - therefore it is not appropriate, and perhaps could even be said to be unethical, to use bachelor's titles; because it suggests that those jobs, therapy jobs, could be filled by bachelor's level people. Just some thoughts. Joan Wittig Re: LCAT and OMH Usually, after a licensure bill is passed, legislation is required to create new job categories and salary ranges at the state level. Since the state of NY now licenses CATs, etc. the state can create job categories that require these credentials. The state also can pass legislation or procedures that allow licensed professionals to receive reimbursement for insurance companies that provide benefits for state emplyoees. In other wors, it's kind of silly for a state to license these professionals and then not use the credential as an entry to jobs. Most professionals form a state association that advocates for these changes. Armeniox LCAT and OMH > I wonder if there is anyone who is a state employee for OMH who has > received or working on their LCAT. I just got mine in the mail and > am trying to find the value of it. > > Do the state (OMH) and / or Civil Service acknowledge the license in > anyway in an OMH setting? For example, does a LCAT command a higher > salary grade and/or title change? If so is it automatic, or does it > have to be requested for review? > > Like many Creative Arts Therapist, I'm in an odd situation where I > am more credentialed than my peers, yet titled lower due to, in > part, that Creative Arts Therapy is a parenthetic to the overall > title of Recreation Therapist. > > There is no Senior title for Creative Arts Therapist, and the only > way to gain that title is to take the standard Senior Recreation > Therapist exam which is not specific to Creative Arts Therapy, then > wait for an opening. Yet most openings at the senior level are > generic, and in turn, may limit the chances for advancement. > > Maybe OMH and Civil Service can create a Creative Arts Therapist > title separate from Recreation Therapy. What can we do to start that > process? > > I got this license to help improve the credibility of my profession. > I don't now if I've accomplished that in the setting that I'm in. > But it's too early to tell. > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Walters LCAT-ATR > Licensed Creative Arts Therapist > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 WOW! I didn't realize that a Master's degree was not requiered for being licensed. Show you how much I read of the application. In a way that kind of puts a kink in this process of acceptance as clinicians. That the opinion of someone who didn't take the Art Therapy Board Certification test. So maybe I should not be so critical. So in 2010 when every facility in NY has to acknowledge the LCAT license what will the OMH run facilities do? Will there be seporate LCAT titles for bacholor's and master's level, or even a seporate LCAT title? How will those titles be salary graded? It is not necessary for a Sr. Rec. Therapist to have a master's degree, and Recreation Therapist are not required (or have access to) a license. Would a LCAT license be held in higher reguard in the titling process? Who would be responsible for supervising LCATs? Currently my supervisor has less education than I do. Luckily I have access to treatment team meetings process clinical issues. These questions need to be addressed to make the license worth the effort it took to get. My goal is to be recognized for what I've accomplished, and what I'm trained to do. As that happens money and the other things will fall in place. > > Point of Clarification: > > Joan, please correct me if I am wrong -- but I believe that when Joan > states: > ³It may be useful to press the issue that the state has drawn the line for > therapists at the master's level - therefore it is not appropriate, and > perhaps could even be said to be unethical, to use bachelor's titles; > because it suggests that those jobs, therapy jobs, could be filled by > bachelor's level people.² > > She is talking about how hospitals & agencies classify and describe creative > art therapy positions. She is rightly indicating that as of January 1, > 2010, all positions -- in previously exempt settings -- must be held by a > licensed creative arts therapist. In addition, new applicants (not > grandfathering applicants) must have a master¹s degree to be eligible for > licensure. Therefore, it is reasonable to assert that positions should not > be described or classified using a bachelor¹s degree. > > However, it is important to know that a Licensed Creative Arts Therapist may > indeed have only a bachelor¹s degree ‹ as allowed under the alternative > pathway in the grandfathering provision. Individuals who obtained their > license using this pathway are allowed to call themselves Licensed Creative > Art Therapists. The license issued by the Department in no way indicates > the pathway used to obtain the license. Once licensed, the Department does > not differentiate between licenses based upon the pathway it was obtained. > > With this in mind, it is incorrect to say that ³Art Therapists have to have > a Masters Degree in order to call themselves Art Therapists.² > > It is however, important to continue discussions as to how the license will > affect the classification and reimbursement of the profession. > > I hope this clarification helps to keep our discussions on track. > > > -- > G. > Senior Associate > Carr Public Affairs > 388 Broadway > Albany, New York 12207 > > (ph) > (fx) > > evans@c... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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