Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Thank you for putting that question out there . Mia Barkan e, LCAT, ATR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Usually, after a licensure bill is passed, legislation is required to create new job categories and salary ranges at the state level. Since the state of NY now licenses CATs, etc. the state can create job categories that require these credentials. The state also can pass legislation or procedures that allow licensed professionals to receive reimbursement for insurance companies that provide benefits for state emplyoees. In other wors, it's kind of silly for a state to license these professionals and then not use the credential as an entry to jobs. Most professionals form a state association that advocates for these changes. Armeniox LCAT and OMH > I wonder if there is anyone who is a state employee for OMH who has > received or working on their LCAT. I just got mine in the mail and > am trying to find the value of it. > > Do the state (OMH) and / or Civil Service acknowledge the license in > anyway in an OMH setting? For example, does a LCAT command a higher > salary grade and/or title change? If so is it automatic, or does it > have to be requested for review? > > Like many Creative Arts Therapist, I'm in an odd situation where I > am more credentialed than my peers, yet titled lower due to, in > part, that Creative Arts Therapy is a parenthetic to the overall > title of Recreation Therapist. > > There is no Senior title for Creative Arts Therapist, and the only > way to gain that title is to take the standard Senior Recreation > Therapist exam which is not specific to Creative Arts Therapy, then > wait for an opening. Yet most openings at the senior level are > generic, and in turn, may limit the chances for advancement. > > Maybe OMH and Civil Service can create a Creative Arts Therapist > title separate from Recreation Therapy. What can we do to start that > process? > > I got this license to help improve the credibility of my profession. > I don't now if I've accomplished that in the setting that I'm in. > But it's too early to tell. > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Walters LCAT-ATR > Licensed Creative Arts Therapist > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 thanks for the info. So is there anything we should do? Anybody to contact to start the process? If new titles are created do those who are licensed automatically placed or is there a process that has to occur? > > Usually, after a licensure bill is passed, legislation is required to create > new job categories and salary ranges at the state level. Since the state of > NY now licenses CATs, etc. the state can create job categories that require > these credentials. The state also can pass legislation or procedures that > allow licensed professionals to receive reimbursement for insurance > companies that provide benefits for state emplyoees. In other wors, it's > kind of silly for a state to license these professionals and then not use > the credential as an entry to jobs. Most professionals form a state > association that advocates for these changes. > Armeniox > LCAT and OMH > > > > I wonder if there is anyone who is a state employee for OMH who has > > received or working on their LCAT. I just got mine in the mail and > > am trying to find the value of it. > > > > Do the state (OMH) and / or Civil Service acknowledge the license in > > anyway in an OMH setting? For example, does a LCAT command a higher > > salary grade and/or title change? If so is it automatic, or does it > > have to be requested for review? > > > > Like many Creative Arts Therapist, I'm in an odd situation where I > > am more credentialed than my peers, yet titled lower due to, in > > part, that Creative Arts Therapy is a parenthetic to the overall > > title of Recreation Therapist. > > > > There is no Senior title for Creative Arts Therapist, and the only > > way to gain that title is to take the standard Senior Recreation > > Therapist exam which is not specific to Creative Arts Therapy, then > > wait for an opening. Yet most openings at the senior level are > > generic, and in turn, may limit the chances for advancement. > > > > Maybe OMH and Civil Service can create a Creative Arts Therapist > > title separate from Recreation Therapy. What can we do to start that > > process? > > > > I got this license to help improve the credibility of my profession. > > I don't now if I've accomplished that in the setting that I'm in. > > But it's too early to tell. > > > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Walters LCAT-ATR > > Licensed Creative Arts Therapist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 , I recommend bringing these issues to the Board of the New York Coalition on Creative Arts Therapists. As the governing body for the professional state association they can discuss the various options for addressing these issues within the state. NYCCAT hired our firm, Carr Public Affairs, to represent the issues of the profession as it relates to the approval and implementation of licensure, and we have been an active voice on behalf of the profession here in Albany. Perhaps as licensure is fully implemented, the board can refocus their attention to the issues you have brought forth. We would be happy to work with NYCCAT to discuss the various legislative and regulatory options available. It is good to see the profession keenly aware of its need to stay active in its development as it moves beyond licensure. Happy New Year. -- G. Senior Associate Carr Public Affairs 388 Broadway Albany, New York 12207 (ph) (fx) evans@... > thanks for the info. > > So is there anything we should do? Anybody to contact to start the > process? If new titles are created do those who are licensed > automatically placed or is there a process that has to occur? > > > > >> >> Usually, after a licensure bill is passed, legislation is required > to create >> new job categories and salary ranges at the state level. Since the > state of >> NY now licenses CATs, etc. the state can create job categories > that require >> these credentials. The state also can pass legislation or > procedures that >> allow licensed professionals to receive reimbursement for insurance >> companies that provide benefits for state emplyoees. In other > wors, it's >> kind of silly for a state to license these professionals and then > not use >> the credential as an entry to jobs. Most professionals form a state >> association that advocates for these changes. >> Armeniox >> LCAT and OMH >> >> >>> I wonder if there is anyone who is a state employee for OMH who > has >>> received or working on their LCAT. I just got mine in the mail > and >>> am trying to find the value of it. >>> >>> Do the state (OMH) and / or Civil Service acknowledge the > license in >>> anyway in an OMH setting? For example, does a LCAT command a > higher >>> salary grade and/or title change? If so is it automatic, or does > it >>> have to be requested for review? >>> >>> Like many Creative Arts Therapist, I'm in an odd situation where > I >>> am more credentialed than my peers, yet titled lower due to, in >>> part, that Creative Arts Therapy is a parenthetic to the overall >>> title of Recreation Therapist. >>> >>> There is no Senior title for Creative Arts Therapist, and the > only >>> way to gain that title is to take the standard Senior Recreation >>> Therapist exam which is not specific to Creative Arts Therapy, > then >>> wait for an opening. Yet most openings at the senior level are >>> generic, and in turn, may limit the chances for advancement. >>> >>> Maybe OMH and Civil Service can create a Creative Arts Therapist >>> title separate from Recreation Therapy. What can we do to start > that >>> process? >>> >>> I got this license to help improve the credibility of my > profession. >>> I don't now if I've accomplished that in the setting that I'm in. >>> But it's too early to tell. >>> >>> Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Walters LCAT-ATR >>> Licensed Creative Arts Therapist >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 , thanks for your help. So when you say, " I recommend bringing these issues to the Board of the New York Coalition on Creative Arts Therapists. " , who should do this? Individual LCATs with in the OMH system, LCATs in general, the NYCCAT, your office, or all of the above? Is there a specific person to contact, if so who and how? Thanks again! > > , > > I recommend bringing these issues to the Board of the New York Coalition on > Creative Arts Therapists. As the governing body for the professional state > association they can discuss the various options for addressing these issues > within the state. NYCCAT hired our firm, Carr Public Affairs, to represent > the issues of the profession as it relates to the approval and > implementation of licensure, and we have been an active voice on behalf of > the profession here in Albany. Perhaps as licensure is fully implemented, > the board can refocus their attention to the issues you have brought forth. > We would be happy to work with NYCCAT to discuss the various legislative and > regulatory options available. > > It is good to see the profession keenly aware of its need to stay active in > its development as it moves beyond licensure. > > Happy New Year. > > > > -- > G. > Senior Associate > Carr Public Affairs > 388 Broadway > Albany, New York 12207 > > (ph) > (fx) > > evans@c... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 It is clear that Creative Arts Therapists need their own union in NY State and the nation. Anybody ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 I am one of those people, as I work for OMH as well, and waiting on my LCAT. I was hired as a recreation therapist, and I am employed as an Art Therapist, although my line has not been approved yet. I was thinking of contacting other OMH hospitals in an effort to reach the other art therapists to see how we could unite and encourage NY to recognize our licenses. You can reach me at kmasone@... I would like to hear from you. Kathy Masone Re: LCAT and OMH thanks for the info. So is there anything we should do? Anybody to contact to start the process? If new titles are created do those who are licensed automatically placed or is there a process that has to occur? > > Usually, after a licensure bill is passed, legislation is required to create > new job categories and salary ranges at the state level. Since the state of > NY now licenses CATs, etc. the state can create job categories that require > these credentials. The state also can pass legislation or procedures that > allow licensed professionals to receive reimbursement for insurance > companies that provide benefits for state emplyoees. In other wors, it's > kind of silly for a state to license these professionals and then not use > the credential as an entry to jobs. Most professionals form a state > association that advocates for these changes. > Armeniox > LCAT and OMH > > > > I wonder if there is anyone who is a state employee for OMH who has > > received or working on their LCAT. I just got mine in the mail and > > am trying to find the value of it. > > > > Do the state (OMH) and / or Civil Service acknowledge the license in > > anyway in an OMH setting? For example, does a LCAT command a higher > > salary grade and/or title change? If so is it automatic, or does it > > have to be requested for review? > > > > Like many Creative Arts Therapist, I'm in an odd situation where I > > am more credentialed than my peers, yet titled lower due to, in > > part, that Creative Arts Therapy is a parenthetic to the overall > > title of Recreation Therapist. > > > > There is no Senior title for Creative Arts Therapist, and the only > > way to gain that title is to take the standard Senior Recreation > > Therapist exam which is not specific to Creative Arts Therapy, then > > wait for an opening. Yet most openings at the senior level are > > generic, and in turn, may limit the chances for advancement. > > > > Maybe OMH and Civil Service can create a Creative Arts Therapist > > title separate from Recreation Therapy. What can we do to start that > > process? > > > > I got this license to help improve the credibility of my profession. > > I don't now if I've accomplished that in the setting that I'm in. > > But it's too early to tell. > > > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Walters LCAT-ATR > > Licensed Creative Arts Therapist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 This I do not know. Perhaps the assistant AG can help. LCAT and OMH > > > > > > > I wonder if there is anyone who is a state employee for OMH who > has > > > received or working on their LCAT. I just got mine in the mail > and > > > am trying to find the value of it. > > > > > > Do the state (OMH) and / or Civil Service acknowledge the > license in > > > anyway in an OMH setting? For example, does a LCAT command a > higher > > > salary grade and/or title change? If so is it automatic, or does > it > > > have to be requested for review? > > > > > > Like many Creative Arts Therapist, I'm in an odd situation where > I > > > am more credentialed than my peers, yet titled lower due to, in > > > part, that Creative Arts Therapy is a parenthetic to the overall > > > title of Recreation Therapist. > > > > > > There is no Senior title for Creative Arts Therapist, and the > only > > > way to gain that title is to take the standard Senior Recreation > > > Therapist exam which is not specific to Creative Arts Therapy, > then > > > wait for an opening. Yet most openings at the senior level are > > > generic, and in turn, may limit the chances for advancement. > > > > > > Maybe OMH and Civil Service can create a Creative Arts Therapist > > > title separate from Recreation Therapy. What can we do to start > that > > > process? > > > > > > I got this license to help improve the credibility of my > profession. > > > I don't now if I've accomplished that in the setting that I'm in. > > > But it's too early to tell. > > > > > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Walters LCAT-ATR > > > Licensed Creative Arts Therapist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Alan, Thank you for assisting with this. Money for me is not the reason for my concerns. My hope through all of this is that Creative Arts Therapist gets the recognition they deserve. A separate job classification with in the state's OMH system is needed to achieve that. For the most part a Creative Art Therapist spends more time in education and training than those who are Recreation Therapists. Often times the Creative Arts Therapist's role is more as a clinician than as an activities person. Yet a Creative Arts Therapist is listed as Recreation Therapist in the state's system, with not separate listing for an advanced title such as Sr. Recreation Therapist. This is not to say that Creative Arts Therapists are better than Recreation Therapist, just different. Again that's where thing hopefully can change. If they do things like monetary compensation will follow. > > Regards to all, > > > > The issue of titles and compensation raised by have all been forwarded > to the State Department of Education and we will post their reply/advice for > all. Currently NYCCAT, which is a nonprofit grassroots group dedicated to > advancing the creative arts therapies is planning an appeal for donations as > well as a conference. I think we can all see how important it is for us as a > community to stay on top of these issues. Just to let you know, while we are > grateful for all previous support we still require ideas, bodies and committed > work. The last time we posted for help in planning our conference to the 400 > people on the listserve; we received exactly two commitments to assist; to > definitely commit to helping: and one of those was me. So at this point, which > is critical; we will be asking for all kinds of help from our community, and > we sincerely hope people will respond as they have in the past. We still have > a long road ahead and we are an all volunteer orginization-please ask > yourself how can you be of service to the needs of the greater community. > > > All the best for a Happy and Healthy New Year. > > > Alan Pottinger BFA, MA > Registered Drama Therapist > Senior Rehabilitation Counselor > Adolescent Day Treatment Program > Bellevue Hospital Center > > _nilsinedeo@a..._ (http://nilsinedeo@a.../) > > _Alan.Pottinger@b..._ (http://al/) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Pardon my ignorance, but what is AG? -- In NYCCAT , " Armeniox " <larmeniox@t...> wrote: > > This I do not know. Perhaps the assistant AG can help. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Elissa, You are probably very correct on that. My hope is Civil Service and OMH work together on this. This also maybe something that PEF can be part of. > > Dear All, > > As someone who worked for OMH for some 30 years (part-time), > please remember that these lines are Civil Service lines and in > effect has nothing to do with state licenses; albeit I believe it will > help the cause. You might want to inquire at OMH itself to see > what they say about CATS now being licensed -- > > Good luck in your endeavor -- I dealt with this problem for only > dance therapy (CATS was not a parenthetic then) in l967-68 -- > so I will keep my fingers crossed for you. > > Elissa White > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Dear All, As someone who worked for OMH for some 30 years (part-time), please remember that these lines are Civil Service lines and in effect has nothing to do with state licenses; albeit I believe it will help the cause. You might want to inquire at OMH itself to see what they say about CATS now being licensed -- Good luck in your endeavor -- I dealt with this problem for only dance therapy (CATS was not a parenthetic then) in l967-68 -- so I will keep my fingers crossed for you. Elissa White On Friday, December 30, 2005, at 05:14 PM, Kathy Masone wrote: > I am one of those people, as I work for OMH as well, and waiting on > my > LCAT. I was hired as a recreation therapist, and I am employed as an Art > Therapist, although my line has not been approved yet. I was thinking of > contacting other OMH hospitals in an effort to reach the other art > therapists to see how we could unite and encourage NY to recognize our > licenses. > You can reach me at kmasone@... I would like to hear from you. > > Kathy Masone > > Re: LCAT and OMH > > thanks for the info. > > So is there anything we should do? Anybody to contact to start the > process? If new titles are created do those who are licensed > automatically placed or is there a process that has to occur? > > > > > > > > Usually, after a licensure bill is passed, legislation is required > to create > > new job categories and salary ranges at the state level. Since the > state of > > NY now licenses CATs, etc. the state can create job categories > that require > > these credentials. The state also can pass legislation or > procedures that > > allow licensed professionals to receive reimbursement for insurance > > companies that provide benefits for state emplyoees. In other > wors, it's > > kind of silly for a state to license these professionals and then > not use > > the credential as an entry to jobs. Most professionals form a state > > association that advocates for these changes. > > Armeniox > > LCAT and OMH > > > > > > > I wonder if there is anyone who is a state employee for OMH who > has > > > received or working on their LCAT. I just got mine in the mail > and > > > am trying to find the value of it. > > > > > > Do the state (OMH) and / or Civil Service acknowledge the > license in > > > anyway in an OMH setting? For example, does a LCAT command a > higher > > > salary grade and/or title change? If so is it automatic, or does > it > > > have to be requested for review? > > > > > > Like many Creative Arts Therapist, I'm in an odd situation where > I > > > am more credentialed than my peers, yet titled lower due to, in > > > part, that Creative Arts Therapy is a parenthetic to the overall > > > title of Recreation Therapist. > > > > > > There is no Senior title for Creative Arts Therapist, and the > only > > > way to gain that title is to take the standard Senior Recreation > > > Therapist exam which is not specific to Creative Arts Therapy, > then > > > wait for an opening. Yet most openings at the senior level are > > > generic, and in turn, may limit the chances for advancement. > > > > > > Maybe OMH and Civil Service can create a Creative Arts Therapist > > > title separate from Recreation Therapy. What can we do to start > that > > > process? > > > > > > I got this license to help improve the credibility of my > profession. > > > I don't now if I've accomplished that in the setting that I'm in. > > > But it's too early to tell. > > > > > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Walters LCAT-ATR > > > Licensed Creative Arts Therapist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 The civil service line that creative arts therapists are hired under is a recreation therapist specializing in art (or dance, music, etc.) This is a bachelor's level position. In our facility the art therapist was moved out of the recreation therapy department into psychiatry to provide exclusively art therapy services. Only masters levels clinicians are hired for the position, however the pay continues to be based on the lower scale because there isn't a line in the civil service code that recognizes a masters level creative arts therapist. The only way to be promoted is to become a supervisor of paid staff, which will not happen in this case because there are only two creative arts therapy positions. There may obviously be some reluctance to change the code because it will be more costly for the state to add a masters level line. If the facility is calling the treatment creative arts therapy there may be an inherent problem in hiring at the bachelor's level, because practitioners will have to be licensed. However, OMH facilities may be exempt from the licensing restriction, I don't know. I'm saying this because I think it will take a concerted effort on the part of the creative arts therapists themselves to get the change made. Civil service has no incentive to do so, and I doubt whether OMH will take the initiative. Milia Milia http://www.nycarttherapy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 If I recall correctly, back in the mid 70s I think there were master level CAT positions in OMH facilities in NYC. I think I remember providing some supervision to people who were working as master level dance and art therapists. I think they were hired under rec therapy lines, but paid as master level therapists. So there may be precedent for all this. Re: Re: LCAT and OMH The civil service line that creative arts therapists are hired under is a recreation therapist specializing in art (or dance, music, etc.) This is a bachelor's level position. In our facility the art therapist was moved out of the recreation therapy department into psychiatry to provide exclusively art therapy services. Only masters levels clinicians are hired for the position, however the pay continues to be based on the lower scale because there isn't a line in the civil service code that recognizes a masters level creative arts therapist. The only way to be promoted is to become a supervisor of paid staff, which will not happen in this case because there are only two creative arts therapy positions. There may obviously be some reluctance to change the code because it will be more costly for the state to add a masters level line. If the facility is calling the treatment creative arts therapy there may be an inherent problem in hiring at the bachelor's level, because practitioners will have to be licensed. However, OMH facilities may be exempt from the licensing restriction, I don't know.I'm saying this because I think it will take a concerted effort on the part of the creative arts therapists themselves to get the change made. Civil service has no incentive to do so, and I doubt whether OMH will take the initiative. Milia Miliahttp://www.nycarttherapy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 , I've actually had both roles, i.e. clinical staff and currently recreation staff. Oddly enough for me not much difference in what I'm doing now, and what I did before. Promotion can also happen if offered a Senior Recreation Therapist title, which does not always include supervising others. One of my co-workers is a Senior Rec. and , to my knowledge, does not have supervising others required in that role. What's really strange for me is knowing that a Recreation Assistant has the same salary grade as a Recreation Therapist. It would be nice to have masters level CATs be automatically listed as Sr. Recreation Therapist if there was not to be a seporate CAT title. The biggest problem might be in the limited numbers of CATs working in state facilities. Again for me it's not a money thing, it's being validated for what I do and how I got there. > > The civil service line that creative arts therapists are hired under is a > recreation therapist specializing in art (or dance, music, etc.) This is a > bachelor's level position. In our facility the art therapist was moved out > of the recreation therapy department into psychiatry to provide exclusively > art therapy services. Only masters levels clinicians are hired for the > position, however the pay continues to be based on the lower scale because > there isn't a line in the civil service code that recognizes a masters > level creative arts therapist. The only way to be promoted is to become a > supervisor of paid staff, which will not happen in this case because there > are only two creative arts therapy positions. There may obviously be some > reluctance to change the code because it will be more costly for the state > to add a masters level line. If the facility is calling the treatment > creative arts therapy there may be an inherent problem in hiring at the > bachelor's level, because practitioners will have to be licensed. However, > OMH facilities may be exempt from the licensing restriction, I don't know. > > I'm saying this because I think it will take a concerted effort on the part > of the creative arts therapists themselves to get the change made. Civil > service has no incentive to do so, and I doubt whether OMH will take the > initiative. > > Milia > > > > > > Milia > http://www.nycarttherapy.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Wow, that's a shock! Can you find out more to validate that idea? Are you sure they were not listed as Senior Recreation Therapist? > > If I recall correctly, back in the mid 70s I think there were master level CAT positions in OMH facilities in NYC. I think I remember providing some supervision to people who were working as master level dance and art therapists. I think they were hired under rec therapy lines, but paid as master level therapists. So there may be precedent for all this. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 This mostly depends on whether the law exempts institutions from hiring licensed professionals. If it does, it will be difficult to make any changes. Armeniox Re: Re: LCAT and OMH > The civil service line that creative arts therapists are hired under is a > recreation therapist specializing in art (or dance, music, etc.) This is a > bachelor's level position. In our facility the art therapist was moved out > of the recreation therapy department into psychiatry to provide exclusively > art therapy services. Only masters levels clinicians are hired for the > position, however the pay continues to be based on the lower scale because > there isn't a line in the civil service code that recognizes a masters > level creative arts therapist. The only way to be promoted is to become a > supervisor of paid staff, which will not happen in this case because there > are only two creative arts therapy positions. There may obviously be some > reluctance to change the code because it will be more costly for the state > to add a masters level line. If the facility is calling the treatment > creative arts therapy there may be an inherent problem in hiring at the > bachelor's level, because practitioners will have to be licensed. However, > OMH facilities may be exempt from the licensing restriction, I don't know. > > I'm saying this because I think it will take a concerted effort on the part > of the creative arts therapists themselves to get the change made. Civil > service has no incentive to do so, and I doubt whether OMH will take the > initiative. > > Milia > > > > > > Milia > http://www.nycarttherapy.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 , In regards to 's email...the NYCCAT Board members are on the NYCCAT e-group and so we follow the dialogue. We will be meeting on January 12th and will discuss the OMH topic and figure out what the next step is and then share that with you on the e-group. Right now our first priority is monitoring the application approval process. After January 1st we will then be able to approach various organizations/departments as a licensed profession. I want to thank everyone for sharing your knowledge on the e-group. Being that I am in private practice I am learning from you what broader concerns are out there in CAT land. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! Take Care, Chriss Re: LCAT and OMH , thanks for your help. So when you say, " I recommend bringing these issues to the Board of the New York Coalition on Creative Arts Therapists. " , who should do this? Individual LCATs with in the OMH system, LCATs in general, the NYCCAT, your office, or all of the above? Is there a specific person to contact, if so who and how? Thanks again! > > , > > I recommend bringing these issues to the Board of the New York Coalition on > Creative Arts Therapists. As the governing body for the professional state > association they can discuss the various options for addressing these issues > within the state. NYCCAT hired our firm, Carr Public Affairs, to represent > the issues of the profession as it relates to the approval and > implementation of licensure, and we have been an active voice on behalf of > the profession here in Albany. Perhaps as licensure is fully implemented, > the board can refocus their attention to the issues you have brought forth. > We would be happy to work with NYCCAT to discuss the various legislative and > regulatory options available. > > It is good to see the profession keenly aware of its need to stay active in > its development as it moves beyond licensure. > > Happy New Year. > > > > -- > G. > Senior Associate > Carr Public Affairs > 388 Broadway > Albany, New York 12207 > > (ph) > (fx) > > evans@c... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Perhaps they were...as I said, it was a long time ago. Re: LCAT and OMH Wow, that's a shock! Can you find out more to validate that idea?Are you sure they were not listed as Senior Recreation Therapist?>> If I recall correctly, back in the mid 70s I think there were master level CAT positions in OMH facilities in NYC. I think I remember providing some supervision to people who were working as master level dance and art therapists. I think they were hired under rec therapy lines, but paid as master level therapists. So there may be precedent for all this. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 If OMH facilities are exempt (they might just be), then being told you have to have a license to practice Creative Arts Therapy in NY is a contradiction. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out > > This mostly depends on whether the law exempts institutions from hiring > licensed professionals. If it does, it will be difficult to make any > changes. > Armeniox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Chriss, Thanks for the info and assistance. > > , > > In regards to 's email...the NYCCAT Board members are on the NYCCAT > e-group and so we follow the dialogue. We will be meeting on January 12th > and will discuss the OMH topic and figure out what the next step is and then > share that with you on the e-group. Right now our first priority is > monitoring the application approval process. After January 1st we will then > be able to approach various organizations/departments as a licensed > profession. > I want to thank everyone for sharing your knowledge on the e- group. Being > that I am in private practice I am learning from you what broader concerns > are out there in CAT land. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! > > Take Care, > Chriss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Just to add to the mix - and this has little to do with state issues, I know the same staff line may have differing pay scales based on education (i.e. Bachelors vs. Masters) - that was negotiated in a union contract. The " senior " lines are include different job duties. I am not sure this applies to OMH facilities but it is true in our hospital. -Marie Re: LCAT and OMH Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:43:59 -0000 > > Wow, that's a shock! Can you find out more to validate that idea? > Are you sure they were not listed as Senior Recreation Therapist? > > > > > > If I recall correctly, back in the mid 70s I think there were master > level CAT positions in OMH facilities in NYC. I think I remember > providing some supervision to people who were working as master level > dance and art therapists. I think they were hired under rec therapy > lines, but paid as master level therapists. So there may be precedent > for all this. > > -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC\ =lycos10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 In theory you're correct, but I've had/have co-workers with Senior Recreation titles at Civil Service and/or OMH facilities who's jobs were/are similar to mine. Only a couple, to my knowledge, acted in a supervisory role. One just recently gain a higher title for his supervisory work. As far as I know in all cases they had/have bacholors degrees where I have a masters, and now a license. This is probably as much a Civil Service issue as it is an OMH. Then again this license is too new, and a great deal has to be figured out. After all look how long it took to get NY and other states to have a Creative Arts Therapist license? How many state don't have one? Since Creative Arts Therapy is very different from Recreation Therapy there probably should be a true seporation of the two, and appropriate titles and duties to reflect the differences. That's not to say that there should be new departments established. Creative Arts Therapist can and have coexist with Recreation Therapist, Occupational Therapist, Rehabilitation Counselors, and so on. > > Just to add to the mix - and this has little to do with state issues, I know the same staff line may have differing pay scales based on education (i.e. Bachelors vs. Masters) - that was negotiated in a union contract. The " senior " lines are include different job duties. I am not sure this applies to OMH facilities but it is true in our hospital. > > -Marie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I believe many years ago, at Bronx Psychiatric Hospital, there was some important work done by Stephan Snow, RDT. He (and correct me if I am wrong, please, someone!) worked to create a civil serice "drama therapist" line. , are you on this listserve??? has been a drama therapist at Bronx Psychiatric for many years and is NADT's President-Elect. Maybe he could shed some light on this discussion. Kim Kim Galway, MA, RDT-BCTCreative Therapy and Learning Centerwww.creativetherapykids.com Re: LCAT and OMH In theory you're correct, but I've had/have co-workers with Senior Recreation titles at Civil Service and/or OMH facilities who's jobs were/are similar to mine. Only a couple, to my knowledge, acted in a supervisory role. One just recently gain a higher title for his supervisory work. As far as I know in all cases they had/have bacholors degrees where I have a masters, and now a license. This is probably as much a Civil Service issue as it is an OMH. Then again this license is too new, and a great deal has to be figured out. After all look how long it took to get NY and other states to have a Creative Arts Therapist license? How many state don't have one? Since Creative Arts Therapy is very different from Recreation Therapy there probably should be a true seporation of the two, and appropriate titles and duties to reflect the differences. That's not to say that there should be new departments established. Creative Arts Therapist can and have coexist with Recreation Therapist, Occupational Therapist, Rehabilitation Counselors, and so on. > > Just to add to the mix - and this has little to do with state issues, I know the same staff line may have differing pay scales based on education (i.e. Bachelors vs. Masters) - that was negotiated in a union contract. The "senior" lines are include different job duties. I am not sure this applies to OMH facilities but it is true in our hospital. > > -Marie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 My facility had been using the term " Creative Arts Therapy " before I even got there. They had an art educator running the program, and I believe that is why I was hired. My facility also told me a month ago that I had to show them I had the necessary license as of January 1, 2006. I think we need to start our own group and pool our resources. Write me if you are interested. Kathy Masone kmasone@... Re: Re: LCAT and OMH The civil service line that creative arts therapists are hired under is a recreation therapist specializing in art (or dance, music, etc.) This is a bachelor's level position. In our facility the art therapist was moved out of the recreation therapy department into psychiatry to provide exclusively art therapy services. Only masters levels clinicians are hired for the position, however the pay continues to be based on the lower scale because there isn't a line in the civil service code that recognizes a masters level creative arts therapist. The only way to be promoted is to become a supervisor of paid staff, which will not happen in this case because there are only two creative arts therapy positions. There may obviously be some reluctance to change the code because it will be more costly for the state to add a masters level line. If the facility is calling the treatment creative arts therapy there may be an inherent problem in hiring at the bachelor's level, because practitioners will have to be licensed. However, OMH facilities may be exempt from the licensing restriction, I don't know. I'm saying this because I think it will take a concerted effort on the part of the creative arts therapists themselves to get the change made. Civil service has no incentive to do so, and I doubt whether OMH will take the initiative. Milia Milia http://www.nycarttherapy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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