Re: Can antimanic medication cause heart problems?

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Vornan,

Yeah, most of us with panic disorder would have been

better off if we had been given benzodiazapines to

begin with. God forbid we become chemically dependant

on them--it makes us evil i guess. I had to go through

a list of anti-depressants that didnt work before they

finally gave up and gave me a benzo. Why did they ever

think anti-depressants would work for anxiety? Its

ridiculous. It makes me even madder--i have never been

depressed, yet have been prescribed paxil, zoloft,

wellbutrin, celexa, zyprexa (explain that one--i didnt

take it) neurontin,etc etc etc.on and on and on.

lisa

--- " Vornan-19 (moderator) "

wrote:

> One strategy that has been used to withdraw from

> klonopin is to first

> switch to an equivalent dose of valium (diazepam)

> and then withdraw

> from that. Valium has a very long half-life, much

> longer than

> klonopin, so you get a very smooth drop-off in the

> dose when you

> withdraw from it. Nothing like the big swing in

> blood levels

> withdrawing from klonopin. The quivalent dose of

> valium to 0.5 mg of

> klonopin is 5mg (klonopin is about 10 times

> stronger). If you can

> tolerate the initial switch, this could be one

> strategy. I have used

> valium in the past (in fact that's all I ever wanted

> to take when I

> got anxiety, but that's another story) and have

> never had problems

> withdrawing from it.

>

> Vornan

>

> I still have a

> > benzodiazapine to get off of which seems at this

> point unbeatable.

> > Actually, if Vornan or anyone can help, I would

> appreciate it.

> What I

> > have is a lot of .5mg klonopin pills. I need to

> slowly get off the

> > medication by going down to .495mg, .490mg, .485mg

> etc. down to 0.

> I

> > have read about water titration methods, but they

> don't seem that

> > accurate to me. Is there equipment that I can

> purchase that would

> > allow me to mash up and measure out these small

> doses of

> medication? I

> > cannot cold turkey the klonopin or even drop to

> .375mg right away

> > because the withdrawal is supposed to be worse

> than heroin. If I

> don't

> > kick all my medications, I will never know how

> much I can recover

> > because there is still that one bit of a foreign

> substance that is

> > completely destroying my biochemistry.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > All my blood tests are fine, but why have I been

> getting

> palpitations

> > > for the last 3 years. I have read studies that

> say having sexual

> > > dysfunction is connected with cardiovascular

> system problems. I

> am

> > not

> > > sure though exactly what the medication did to

> my heart or what I

> > could

> > > take to fix this problem?

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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Vornan,

Ah Ha!!! THATS why they act like they are terrible,

addictive pills that should be avoided at all costs. I

think most doctors wont even prescribe them. Life

would be impossible without the Xanax the psychiatrist

prescribes me--from which i have had ill NO side

effects, i have had NO problems with them AT ALL, i

have built NO tolerance to them--i have never had to

get them upped--after taking them for several years. I

wondered why they are so demonized and underused. Of

course they tell you its because you will become an

addicted, crazed, pill popper--seeking out more and

more, when its simply because they cant make any money

off of a generic drug you can get for 10 dollars.

The reality of the situation is horrible.How many

anxious people have been castrated because a more

expensive, ineffective drug is handed out like candy,

rather than get the drug that works with little side

effects? Money is the root of evil. Its a dirty, dirty

business we have been victimized by.

lisa

--- " Vornan-19 (moderator) "

wrote:

> Absolutely. In fact I started taking valium when I

> got anxiety back

> in 2001, and it was working pretty well. But the

> shrink I was seeing

> *very strongly* coerced me to take SSRIs (with help

> from his side-

> kick " therapist " ). I resisted their coercion for a

> while, but

> eventually switched. It probably happens to

> millions of people.

> Because they work on the GABA neurotransmitter

> rather than serotonin,

> I believe benzos are way safer than SSRIs. But they

> have been

> demonized by the drug companies because they are

> off-patent, which

> prevents them from making money from them.

>

> Vornan

>

> -- In SSRIsex , lisa hallford

> wrote:

> >

> > Vornan,

> > Yeah, most of us with panic disorder would have

> been

> > better off if we had been given benzodiazapines to

> > begin with. God forbid we become chemically

> dependant

> > on them--it makes us evil i guess. I had to go

> through

> > a list of anti-depressants that didnt work before

> they

> > finally gave up and gave me a benzo. Why did they

> ever

> > think anti-depressants would work for anxiety? Its

> > ridiculous. It makes me even madder--i have never

> been

> > depressed, yet have been prescribed paxil, zoloft,

> > wellbutrin, celexa, zyprexa (explain that one--i

> didnt

> > take it) neurontin,etc etc etc.on and on and on.

> >

> > lisa

> > --- " Vornan-19 (moderator) "

> > wrote:

> >

> > > One strategy that has been used to withdraw from

> > > klonopin is to first

> > > switch to an equivalent dose of valium

> (diazepam)

> > > and then withdraw

> > > from that. Valium has a very long half-life,

> much

> > > longer than

> > > klonopin, so you get a very smooth drop-off in

> the

> > > dose when you

> > > withdraw from it. Nothing like the big swing in

> > > blood levels

> > > withdrawing from klonopin. The quivalent dose

> of

> > > valium to 0.5 mg of

> > > klonopin is 5mg (klonopin is about 10 times

> > > stronger). If you can

> > > tolerate the initial switch, this could be one

> > > strategy. I have used

> > > valium in the past (in fact that's all I ever

> wanted

> > > to take when I

> > > got anxiety, but that's another story) and have

> > > never had problems

> > > withdrawing from it.

> > >

> > > Vornan

> > >

> > > I still have a

> > > > benzodiazapine to get off of which seems at

> this

> > > point unbeatable.

> > > > Actually, if Vornan or anyone can help, I

> would

> > > appreciate it.

> > > What I

> > > > have is a lot of .5mg klonopin pills. I need

> to

> > > slowly get off the

> > > > medication by going down to .495mg, .490mg,

> .485mg

> > > etc. down to 0.

> > > I

> > > > have read about water titration methods, but

> they

> > > don't seem that

> > > > accurate to me. Is there equipment that I can

> > > purchase that would

> > > > allow me to mash up and measure out these

> small

> > > doses of

> > > medication? I

> > > > cannot cold turkey the klonopin or even drop

> to

> > > .375mg right away

> > > > because the withdrawal is supposed to be worse

> > > than heroin. If I

> > > don't

> > > > kick all my medications, I will never know how

> > > much I can recover

> > > > because there is still that one bit of a

> foreign

> > > substance that is

> > > > completely destroying my biochemistry.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > All my blood tests are fine, but why have I

> been

> > > getting

> > > palpitations

> > > > > for the last 3 years. I have read studies

> that

> > > say having sexual

> > > > > dysfunction is connected with cardiovascular

> > > system problems. I

> > > am

> > > > not

> > > > > sure though exactly what the medication did

> to

> > > my heart or what I

> > > > could

> > > > > take to fix this problem?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi ,

Oh Yes, it's all profit moticated, no doubt about it. The system is totally corrupt and out of control.Can you believe they're prescibing combined SSRIs and antipsychotics to people who spend too much time on the internet now? Just saw this today (among other reports);

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=AbstractPlus & list_uids=17321659 & query_hl=15 & itool=pubmed_docsum

Vornan> > > > > >> > > > > > All my blood tests are fine, but why have I> > been> > > > getting > > > > palpitations > > > > > > for the last 3 years. I have read studies> > that> > > > say having sexual > > > > > > dysfunction is connected with cardiovascular> > > > system problems. I > > > > am > > > > > not > > > > > > sure though exactly what the medication did> > to> > > > my heart or what I > > > > > could > > > > > > take to fix this problem?> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ______________________________________________________________________> > ______________> > > Expecting? Get great news right away with email> > Auto-Check. > > > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.> > >> >> http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Need Mail bonding?> Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q & A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list & sid=396546091>