RE: Re: A real dilema

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Thanks to responding to my dilema.

To: From: YabbaDabbaDoula1@...Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:44:38 +0000Subject: Re: A real dilema

CLE's are educators, and not consultants. I understand that very clearly. My partner is a CLE and one of my biggest referral sources as she owns a breastfeeding retail store in our community. We have worked together for 6 years now and I mentored her for the CLE.It is clearly stated in the program literature for the CAPPA CLE training that they do not perform evaluation and assessments. If they were to appear to be functioning outside of their scope, you should file a grievance with the CAPPA CLE Director, Laurel . thanks for that info.I am a certified CLE, and I have been training CLE's since '04. I know there are a lot of opinions about this credential. For me, having started in the field of maternal child health as an educator (ICCE), I welcome the function of providing information regarding breastfeeding, and teaching theory to students who want to facilitate breastfeeding classes. You don't need to be an IBCLC to teach a breastfeeding class, nor does the IBCLC credential prepare or necessarily qualify someone to teach.I know one of my partners is an CLE and we work very well together. This group, like I have said doesn't believe IBCLCs should charge for services that can be provided by moms and educators. I don't think they understand the difference. I do know they have a problem with an IBCLC charging for services they can deal with. Any suggestions as how to approach them and help them understand?What is it that you would like to educate them about? It's sad that they haven't opened themselves up to attempt to identify some type of collaboration. On the other hand, if they are not providing lactation consulting services, and simply are attempting to coordinate a learning type of resource for parents regarding pregnancy, birth, newborn care, and breastfeeding, having CLE's on staff shouldn't interfere with the role of IBCLC's whatsoever.I know we have tried really hard to support the effort they are attempting but it seems they are bound and determined to act on what they feel. We believe they will attempt to provide services just from listening to them and the opinion that breastfeeding is normal and all moms should get help at no charge. They have a facebook page if you'd like to take a look Cape Fear Breastfeeding Bag Project.The material that is covered in the CAPPA CLE training is intended to satisfy the educational component of the BFHI for staff who are employed in facilities seeking BFHI accreditation, plus we provide information related to learning theory, group development, teaching styles and methods, and curriculum development. In my area a lot of the current childbirth educators have taken my training in order to update in lactation and improve their ability to facilitate a breastfeeding class for their clients or an employer.None of these girls are employed by a hospital. Most of them come from the LLL background. One of them is an RN, who worked only a short time in OB and married and OB doc and has been having babies.

I really appreciate you insight and information .

Take care

Vicki Carlson RN,IBCLC,RLC

(soon to take the Lamaze CBE exam and trained Doula-DONA)My website has further information about the training objectives if you're interested. I don't think you have anything to be concerned about from what I can tell. H. Kinne BA IBCLC RLC ICCE CD(DONA)www.CascadePerinatalServices.com--- In , "breastfairy1" wrote:>> In the community in which I practice, there is a new group who are wanting to take on the role as the center for all things that have to do with childbirth, including breastfeeding. Many of us IBCLCs have been trying to work with them on their efforts, but they feel that breastfeeding is a natural thing and moms should not be "charged" for services. There are about 6 of them who will be taking the CAPPA CLE course in February here. One of the groupies has set this up. We believe that their intent is to disregard the role of the IBCLC in this community and black market their services as the same. How do we go about addressing this? Have any of you had this happen? What did you do? We have really put forth an effort to get to know them and assist them with education etc...however they want no part of us. How do we maintain our professionalism without getting "nasty"?> I would really love to hear your thoughts.> Vicki Carlson> Oak Island NC> **Home recuping from hip surgery and lots of time to think!>