Re: Here is one for the lactation detectives :)

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that when moms are over hydrated, babies weights are inflated. and they lose more weight after birth than babies whose moms had IV's. (presumably because they're peeing out all that water. the study I mentioned showed those results. Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- Subject: Re: Here is one for the lactation detectives :)To: Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 11:55 AM

I guess that is what I am trying to figure out, what 'we all know'!

What is it that we know about this theory? 'Cause I don't think I know it!

>

[Guest guest]

I'm skeptical, so I was hoping someone could clue me in on the mechanism because

I don't get the relationship.

The fetus IS floating in amniotic fluid, there is some evidence increase in

maternal fluic consumption may temporarily increase AFI, which lasts for <24

hours. But even that isn't related to fetal weight gain.

But the whole theory defies my understanding of physiology. How is a substance

injected into the maternal vein going to increase the fluid retention of the

fetus?

Find that study I need some schooling!

>

> that when moms are over hydrated, babies weights are inflated.  and they lose

more weight after birth than babies whose moms had IV's.  (presumably because

they're peeing out all that water.  the study I mentioned showed those results.

>

>

> Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC

> Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula

>

> www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines:

 http://second9months.wordpress.com/

>

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that for moms who are receiving synthetic oxytocin

(Pitocin) to induce or augment labour, the pitocin does cross the placenta and

enters the fetal circulation. Pitocin has an anti-diuretic effect (meaning the

baby retains water), resulting in a  baby that may be born with extra fluid on

board that is peed out as the pitocin is cleared (which can lead to an inflated

birth weight).

Fleur Bickford BSc., RN, BN©, IBCLC

Ottawa Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re: Here is one for the lactation detectives

I'm skeptical, so I was hoping someone could

clue me in on the mechanism because I don't get the relationship.

The fetus IS floating in amniotic fluid, there is some evidence increase in

maternal fluic consumption may temporarily increase AFI, which lasts for <24

hours. But even that isn't related to fetal weight gain.

But the whole theory defies my understanding of physiology. How is a substance

injected into the maternal vein going to increase the fluid retention of the

fetus?

Find that study I need some schooling!

>

> that when moms are over hydrated, babies weights are inflated. Â and

they lose more weight after birth than babies whose moms had IV's.

 (presumably because they're peeing out all that water.  the study

I mentioned showed those results.

>

>

> Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC

> Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula

>

> www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: Â http://second9months.wordpress.com/

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you! Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- Subject: RE: Re: Here is one for the lactation detectives :)To: Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 3:24

PM

My understanding is that for moms who are receiving synthetic oxytocin

(Pitocin) to induce or augment labour, the pitocin does cross the placenta and

enters the fetal circulation. Pitocin has an anti-diuretic effect (meaning the

baby retains water), resulting in a baby that may be born with extra fluid on

board that is peed out as the pitocin is cleared (which can lead to an inflated

birth weight). Fleur Bickford BSc., RN, BN©, IBCLC Ottawa Ontario, Canada

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[mailto:IBCLC- PPyahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of popikins

Sent: April-29-10 6:04 PM

To: @yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: Here is one for the lactation detectives

I'm skeptical, so I was hoping someone could

clue me in on the mechanism because I don't get the relationship.

The fetus IS floating in amniotic fluid, there is some evidence increase in

maternal fluic consumption may temporarily increase AFI, which lasts for <24

hours. But even that isn't related to fetal weight gain.

But the whole theory defies my understanding of physiology. How is a substance

injected into the maternal vein going to increase the fluid retention of the

fetus?

Find that study I need some schooling!

>

> that when moms are over hydrated, babies weights are inflated. Â and

they lose more weight after birth than babies whose moms had IV's.

 (presumably because they're peeing out all that water.  the study

I mentioned showed those results.

>

>

> Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC

> Lactation Consultant/Postpart um Doula

>

> www.second9months. comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: Â http://second9month s.wordpress. com/

>

[Guest guest]

I'm still skeptical, and what I hear people say has not be related to pit, but

to IV fluids.

But that is interesting, do you know if if has been researched? It's interesting

because the half life of pit is literally a few minutes.

I would love to read more about it.

Anyone else? Infants born to mothers who have IV fluids are inclined to lose

more 'water' weight the first few days pp?

Thanks,

>

> My understanding is that for moms who are receiving synthetic oxytocin

> (Pitocin) to induce or augment labour, the pitocin does cross the placenta

> and enters the fetal circulation. Pitocin has an anti-diuretic effect

> (meaning the baby retains water), resulting in a baby that may be born with

> extra fluid on board that is peed out as the pitocin is cleared (which can

> lead to an inflated birth weight).

>

>

>

> Fleur Bickford BSc., RN, BN©, IBCLC

>

> Ottawa Ontario, Canada

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I started to write a long response on oxytocin, on which I have read a great

deal, but this paper is a must-read, IMO.

http://www.hugthemonkey.com/the-perinatal-application-of-oxytocin-and-its-potent\

ial-influence-on-the-human-psyche.html

Tow, IBCLC, CT, USA

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> > My understanding is that for moms who are receiving synthetic oxytocin

> > (Pitocin) to induce or augment labour, the pitocin does cross the placenta

> > and enters the fetal circulation. Pitocin has an anti-diuretic effect

> > (meaning the baby retains water), resulting in a baby that may be born with

> > extra fluid on board that is peed out as the pitocin is cleared (which can

> > lead to an inflated birth weight).

> >

> >

> >

> > Fleur Bickford BSc., RN, BN©, IBCLC

> >

> > Ottawa Ontario, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Very good paper.. what ever are we doing to the next generation????? shari

 

I started to write a long response on oxytocin, on which I have read a great deal, but this paper is a must-read, IMO.

http://www.hugthemonkey.com/the-perinatal-application-of-oxytocin-and-its-potential-influence-on-the-human-psyche.html

Tow, IBCLC, CT, USA

> >

> > My understanding is that for moms who are receiving synthetic oxytocin

> > (Pitocin) to induce or augment labour, the pitocin does cross the placenta

> > and enters the fetal circulation. Pitocin has an anti-diuretic effect

> > (meaning the baby retains water), resulting in a baby that may be born with

> > extra fluid on board that is peed out as the pitocin is cleared (which can

> > lead to an inflated birth weight).

> >

> >

> >

> > Fleur Bickford BSc., RN, BN©, IBCLC

> >

> > Ottawa Ontario, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

-- ~~~~~~~~~~ Shari Silady ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Mothers have as powerful an influence over the welfare of future generations as all other earthly causes combined. "

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Jan

that when moms are over hydrated, babies weights are inflated. and they lose more weight after birth than babies whose moms had IV's. (presumably because they're peeing out all that water. the study I mentioned showed those results.

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.com

Breastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- On Thu, 4/29/10, popikins <YabbaDabbaDoula1aol> wrote:

From: popikins <YabbaDabbaDoula1aol>Subject: Re: Here is one for the lactation detectives :)To: Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 11:55 AM

I guess that is what I am trying to figure out, what 'we all know'! :)What is it that we know about this theory? 'Cause I don't think I know it!>

[Guest guest]

Coupled with Pitocin which is an anti-diuretic and holds fluid in the system -- both mommy & baby.

Jan

that when moms are over hydrated, babies weights are inflated. and they lose more weight after birth than babies whose moms had IV's. (presumably because they're peeing out all that water. the study I mentioned showed those results.

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.com

Breastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- On Thu, 4/29/10, popikins <YabbaDabbaDoula1aol> wrote:

From: popikins <YabbaDabbaDoula1aol>Subject: Re: Here is one for the lactation detectives :)To: Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 11:55 AM

I guess that is what I am trying to figure out, what 'we all know'! :)What is it that we know about this theory? 'Cause I don't think I know it!>

[Guest guest]

Study by Dannenburg in 1980 showed that infants of mothers who received IV fluids lost an average of 6% of birth weight compared to infants of mothers who received only oral fluids (that was then -- now, no one gets oral fluids only!!) lost and average of 4% of body weight.

Don't have the citation with me as I'm up next to lecture.

Jan

I'm still skeptical, and what I hear people say has not be related to pit, but to IV fluids.But that is interesting, do you know if if has been researched? It's interesting because the half life of pit is literally a few minutes.I would love to read more about it.Anyone else? Infants born to mothers who have IV fluids are inclined to lose more 'water' weight the first few days pp?Thanks,>> My understanding is that for moms who are receiving synthetic oxytocin> (Pitocin) to induce or augment labour, the pitocin does cross the placenta> and enters the fetal circulation. Pitocin has an anti-diuretic effect> (meaning the baby retains water), resulting in a baby that may be born with> extra fluid on board that is peed out as the pitocin is cleared (which can> lead to an inflated birth weight).> > > > Fleur Bickford BSc., RN, BN©, IBCLC> > Ottawa Ontario, Canada> > > >

[Guest guest]

That's what I want to read, thanks.

The hospital I work for does not routinely use IV, healthy, stable mothers are

permitted to drink to thirst and we even have a 'labor diet' allowing them to

eat during labor.

If you know the publication that would help me. I would want to read the study.

Thanks so much!

>

> Study by Dannenburg in 1980 showed that infants of mothers who received IV

> fluids lost an average of 6% of birth weight compared to infants of

> mothers who received only oral fluids (that was then -- now, no one gets oral

> fluids only!!) lost and average of 4% of body weight.

>

> Don't have the citation with me as I'm up next to lecture.

>

> Jan

>

>

> In a message dated 4/29/2010 7:29:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information. I have started to read it but haven't gotten all the

way through. It is an interesting read. About 10 years ago I become affiliated

with a program called 'Prenatal Parenting' which was developed by a physician

named Dr. Wirth. The premise of his material and coursework on Prenatal

Parenting involved the mother having 'oxytocin love breaks' throughout the day

and involved teaching families, particularly pregnant women, how to illicit

oxytocin secretion during pregnancy which he theorized would help optimal brain

development.

thanks,

>

> I started to write a long response on oxytocin, on which I have read a great

deal, but this paper is a must-read, IMO.

>

>

http://www.hugthemonkey.com/the-perinatal-application-of-oxytocin-and-its-potent\

ial-influence-on-the-human-psyche.html

>

> Tow, IBCLC, CT, USA

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks jan! Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- Subject: Re: Re: Here is one for the lactation detectives :)To: Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 5:27 AM

Study by Dannenburg in 1980 showed that infants of mothers who received IV fluids lost an average of 6% of birth weight compared to infants of mothers who received only oral fluids (that was then -- now, no one gets oral fluids only!!) lost and average of 4% of body weight.

Don't have the citation with me as I'm up next to lecture.

Jan

In a message dated 4/29/2010 7:29:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, YabbaDabbaDoula1@ aol.com writes:

I'm still skeptical, and what I hear people say has not be related to pit, but to IV fluids.But that is interesting, do you know if if has been researched? It's interesting because the half life of pit is literally a few minutes.I would love to read more about it.Anyone else? Infants born to mothers who have IV fluids are inclined to lose more 'water' weight the first few days pp?Thanks,>> My understanding is that for moms who are receiving synthetic oxytocin> (Pitocin) to induce or augment labour, the pitocin does cross the placenta> and enters the fetal circulation. Pitocin has an anti-diuretic effect> (meaning the baby retains water), resulting in a baby that may be born with> extra fluid on board that is peed out as the pitocin is cleared (which can> lead to an inflated birth weight).> > > > Fleur Bickford BSc., RN, BN©, IBCLC> > Ottawa Ontario, Canada> > > >