Re: Re: You CAN Exclusively Breastfeed -response

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wow,IMO this woman does not have a grasp of reality. She really does think that all women can exclusively breastfeed. I'd like her to follow me around for a month and see what she thinks then. I tend to get the really tough cases, I know, even so... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- Subject: Re: You CAN Exclusively Breastfeed -responseTo: Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 5:40 PM

Dear , ,

Thank you for contacting Best Fed Babies and VirtualBreastfeedingHelp.com and for your interest in our lactation services. It is very apparent that you and your colleagues are very supportive of new families. We admire your dedication and your mission to assist and support mothers to breastfeed their babies.

Our goal for the services we offer is to assist mothers to exclusively breastfeed their babies. Since most research points to the benefits of exclusive breastfeeding we are clear about our goal with the families we serve. With more than 20 years of experience I have found all mothers can exclusively breastfeed, IF they want to. (Of course, there are a very few exceptions - insufficient mammary tissue, some breast surgeries, etc.) The want and the desire by the mother is the critical component. The mothers who come to us HAVE the want and the desire to exclusively breastfeed and they will go to any length to provide their babies with breast milk only.

We wish you the very best in your practice and we welcome your referrals via our Referral Partnership Program!

Oh, and we WILL provide a 100% refund to a mother who is not completely satisfied.

Sincerely,

Laurie Haessly, MA, RD, IBCLC

Owner and Lead Lactation Consultant

BEST FED BABIES

www.VIrtualBreastfeedingHelp.com

>

> I watched the sample consultation on the website. I hardly ever have

> home consults that easy. I would have encouraged that particular

> mother into a group where she could interact with other mothers. It

> is interesting that she didn't show the transformation from a tough

> case, the sobbing mom with the annoying relative and the screaming baby.

>

> Separate from the false advertising -- really it is --- no health

> care practitioner guarantees 100% success --- I had a thought for

> when skype would be helpful coming out of the July 4th triage. Two

> IBCLCs are away and of course there are more desparate women than can

> be seen by the IBCLCs who are around. The number of groups just

> dropped dramatically because Realbirth, where I've worked for 7 years

> ever since the closing of the Seton Childbearing Center. I

> feel I am doomed at the moment to see the demise of birthing centers

> and childbirth education centers, but then hopefully I will also see

> some rebirths of these centers in my lifetime. So now there are far

> fewer groups. I can envision a triage system during busy times

> whereby skype would be much more helpful than a phone consult. If I

> were to do it I would have a huge disclaimer about it not

> substituting for in person support.

>

> Best, Burger

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, it must be great to not have felt the disappointment of working with a mother who really couldn't breastfeed exclusively. I think that it's really unfair to mothers and possibly emotionally detrimental to say that IF they want to breastfeeding, all mothers can breastfeed. While we realize that mothers who aren't committed are less likely to breastfeed longterm through adversity, I would never want mothers to get the message that if they only wanted it more, they could have breastfeeding. Never mind if they have a true medical reason for not being able to, which isn't all that common, but I think once you've worked with enough mothers, is sometimes the case. Personally? I found the contents of the email to be slightly on the condescending side (it's apparent that we are very supportive of new families) and definitely sounds like sales spin. Unfortunately, we can sniff that out from a mile away, but new mothers can't always. , IBCLC, Labor DoulaMother Nature Birth & Lactationhttp://www.mothernaturelactation.com

wow,IMO this woman does not have a grasp of reality. She really does think that all women can exclusively breastfeed. I'd like her to follow me around for a month and see what she thinks then. I tend to get the really tough cases, I know, even so... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- On Tue, 7/6/10, <blueflamingahava> wrote:From: <blueflamingahava>Subject: Re: You CAN Exclusively Breastfeed -responseTo: Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 5:40 PM

Dear , ,

Thank you for contacting Best Fed Babies and VirtualBreastfeedingHelp.com and for your interest in our lactation services. It is very apparent that you and your colleagues are very supportive of new families. We admire your dedication and your mission to assist and support mothers to breastfeed their babies.

Our goal for the services we offer is to assist mothers to exclusively breastfeed their babies. Since most research points to the benefits of exclusive breastfeeding we are clear about our goal with the families we serve. With more than 20 years of experience I have found all mothers can exclusively breastfeed, IF they want to. (Of course, there are a very few exceptions - insufficient mammary tissue, some breast surgeries, etc.) The want and the desire by the mother is the critical component. The mothers who come to us HAVE the want and the desire to exclusively breastfeed and they will go to any length to provide their babies with breast milk only.

We wish you the very best in your practice and we welcome your referrals via our Referral Partnership Program!

Oh, and we WILL provide a 100% refund to a mother who is not completely satisfied.

Sincerely,

Laurie Haessly, MA, RD, IBCLC

Owner and Lead Lactation Consultant

BEST FED BABIES

www.VIrtualBreastfeedingHelp.com

>

> I watched the sample consultation on the website. I hardly ever have

> home consults that easy. I would have encouraged that particular

> mother into a group where she could interact with other mothers. It

> is interesting that she didn't show the transformation from a tough

> case, the sobbing mom with the annoying relative and the screaming baby.

>

> Separate from the false advertising -- really it is --- no health

> care practitioner guarantees 100% success --- I had a thought for

> when skype would be helpful coming out of the July 4th triage. Two

> IBCLCs are away and of course there are more desparate women than can

> be seen by the IBCLCs who are around. The number of groups just

> dropped dramatically because Realbirth, where I've worked for 7 years

> ever since the closing of the Seton Childbearing Center. I

> feel I am doomed at the moment to see the demise of birthing centers

> and childbirth education centers, but then hopefully I will also see

> some rebirths of these centers in my lifetime. So now there are far

> fewer groups. I can envision a triage system during busy times

> whereby skype would be much more helpful than a phone consult. If I

> were to do it I would have a huge disclaimer about it not

> substituting for in person support.

>

> Best, Burger

>

[Guest guest]

, did you post the letter you wrote to them? Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- Subject: Re: Re: You CAN Exclusively Breastfeed -responseTo: Date: Tuesday, July

6, 2010, 6:25 PM

Wow, it must be great to not have felt the disappointment of working with a mother who really couldn't breastfeed exclusively. I think that it's really unfair to mothers and possibly emotionally detrimental to say that IF they want to breastfeeding, all mothers can breastfeed. While we realize that mothers who aren't committed are less likely to breastfeed longterm through adversity, I would never want mothers to get the message that if they only wanted it more, they could have breastfeeding. Never mind if they have a true medical reason for not being able to, which isn't all that common, but I think once you've worked with enough mothers, is sometimes the case. Personally? I found the contents of the email to be slightly on the condescending side (it's apparent that we are very supportive of new families) and definitely sounds like sales spin. Unfortunately, we can sniff that out from a mile away, but new mothers

can't always. , IBCLC, Labor DoulaMother Nature Birth & Lactationhttp://www.motherna turelactation. com

wow,IMO this woman does not have a grasp of reality. She really does think that all women can exclusively breastfeed. I'd like her to follow me around for a month and see what she thinks then. I tend to get the really tough cases, I know, even so... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpart um Doula www.second9months. comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9month s.wordpress. com/From: <blueflamingahava>Subject: Re: You CAN Exclusively Breastfeed -responseTo: Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 5:40 PM

Dear , ,

Thank you for contacting Best Fed Babies and VirtualBreastfeedin gHelp.com and for your interest in our lactation services. It is very apparent that you and your colleagues are very supportive of new families. We admire your dedication and your mission to assist and support mothers to breastfeed their babies.

Our goal for the services we offer is to assist mothers to exclusively breastfeed their babies. Since most research points to the benefits of exclusive breastfeeding we are clear about our goal with the families we serve. With more than 20 years of experience I have found all mothers can exclusively breastfeed, IF they want to. (Of course, there are a very few exceptions - insufficient mammary tissue, some breast surgeries, etc.) The want and the desire by the mother is the critical component. The mothers who come to us HAVE the want and the desire to exclusively breastfeed and they will go to any length to provide their babies with breast milk only.

We wish you the very best in your practice and we welcome your referrals via our Referral Partnership Program!

Oh, and we WILL provide a 100% refund to a mother who is not completely satisfied.

Sincerely,

Laurie Haessly, MA, RD, IBCLC

Owner and Lead Lactation Consultant

BEST FED BABIES

www.VIrtualBreastfe edingHelp. com

>

> I watched the sample consultation on the website. I hardly ever have

> home consults that easy. I would have encouraged that particular

> mother into a group where she could interact with other mothers. It

> is interesting that she didn't show the transformation from a tough

> case, the sobbing mom with the annoying relative and the screaming baby.

>

> Separate from the false advertising -- really it is --- no health

> care practitioner guarantees 100% success --- I had a thought for

> when skype would be helpful coming out of the July 4th triage. Two

> IBCLCs are away and of course there are more desparate women than can

> be seen by the IBCLCs who are around. The number of groups just

> dropped dramatically because Realbirth, where I've worked for 7 years

> ever since the closing of the Seton Childbearing Center. I

> feel I am doomed at the moment to see the demise of birthing centers

> and childbirth education centers, but then hopefully I will also see

> some rebirths of these centers in my lifetime. So now there are far

> fewer groups. I can envision a triage system during busy times

> whereby skype would be much more helpful than a phone consult. If I

> were to do it I would have a huge disclaimer about it not

> substituting for in person support.

>

> Best, Burger

>

[Guest guest]

, I just flashed on my own experience with my third child. I made NO MILK on the left side. None. Well -- slight exaggeration...when I pumped with a good hospital grade Egnell pump for 15 minutes, I would get maybe two to three ml. That's it. Tim was a home birth and didn't latch for the first 5 days. I pumped faithfully and made my own homemade SNS (as we didn't have those then) with a feeding tube and syringe I pinned to my blouse. I fed him first on the left side and then the right. My right could not make up for the amount that I wasn't making for Tim on the left, though when I went back to work, I could pump about 3 ounces on that side, and my 3 ml on the left. We never figured out what happened or why. Mammograms since have all been normal. Tim is nearly 26, we ended up nursing and supplementing for a year. I finally quit trying on that left side when he was about 5 months old.

And I exclusively breastfed the girls, and had just enough milk for them (never enough to feed the church nursery -- just enough for them). Why no milk with Tim? A mastitis one time on that side with my second decreased the supply, but it shouldn't have so interfered with milk production the third time.

Of course, I wish I had known then what I know now....but I didn't become an LC until Tim was 8 months old, and still we didn't know all that much in 1985.

My lack of commitment? I don't think so.

Jan

You are so right, Jan. What a tragic approach. I am very, very good at what I do and women's bodies are very good at what they are designed to do, and I have worked with some of the most dedicated mothers in the world, and some just could not manage a full supply. After doing this work for 20 years, I do not ever take it for granted that my children were exclusively breastfed. How dare they be so arrogant! Tow, IBCLC, CT, USA> >> > I watched the sample consultation on the website. I hardly ever have > > home consults that easy. I would have encouraged that particular > > mother into a group where she could interact with other mothers. It > > is interesting that she didn't show the transformation from a tough > > case, the sobbing mom with the annoying relative and the screaming baby.> > > > Separate from the false advertising -- really it is --- no health > > care practitioner guarantees 100% success --- I had a thought for > > when skype would be helpful coming out of the July 4th triage. Two > > IBCLCs are away and of course there are more desparate women than can > > be seen by the IBCLCs who are around. The number of groups just > > dropped dramatically because Realbirth, where I've worked for 7 years > > ever since the closing of the Seton Childbearing Center. I > > feel I am doomed at the moment to see the demise of birthing centers > > and childbirth education centers, but then hopefully I will also see > > some rebirths of these centers in my lifetime. So now there are far > > fewer groups. I can envision a triage system during busy times > > whereby skype would be much more helpful than a phone consult. If I > > were to do it I would have a huge disclaimer about it not > > substituting for in person support.> > > > Best, Burger> >>

[Guest guest]

My own personal opinion is that IBLCE won't do anything about it, but you could certainly try. Send the ethics committee the website and tell them what you are concerned about. Only takes one letter.

Jan

We should all save our "ink" and write to IBLCE instead. It doesn't sound like you're going to get much but a canned answer from them.

, IBCLC, Labor Doula

Mother Nature Birth & Lactation

http://www.mothernaturelactation.com

ok one more comment on this business. I just looked at their induced lactation/relactation page. OMG I'm horrified. "not only is it possible it's easy.".....EASY? "and you will most likely make a lot of milk" How on earth can they say such things to moms? I definitely will be writing to them.

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.com

Breastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- On Tue, 7/ 6/10, <blueflamingahava> wrote:

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[Guest guest]

OK -- why are most moms inducing lactation? Because they are adopting a baby, having never birthed a baby or even been pregnant. Which means their hormones are probably out of whack. So -- what does that mean regarding the hormonal situation in terms of inducing lactation? We all know that mothers that get pregnant via GIFT or whatever often (not always, but often) have issues with milk supply.....

We have an entire book on Making More Milk, and these ladies claim inducing lactation is EASY? And FULL MILK SUPPLY?

I ask again -- planet???

Jan

I don't post hear much, but had to chime in. I work with a surrogacy agency and do a lot of induced lactation work.. If I were to ever tell a mother that its easy and she will produce a lot of milk, I don't think any mother would trust me again... Its hard work and even for the most committed mother it doesn't always produce the desired results. I know I'm preaching to the choir here.. This is just horrible. Its giving breastfeeding and Lactation Consultants a bad name.. I am sick to my stomach thinking of the mothers they have potentially hurt with this. April Kurtyka IBCLC April Kurtyka IBCLCwww.confidentbeginnings.com

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Subject: Re: Re: You CAN Exclusively Breastfeed -response

ok one more comment on this business. I just looked at their induced lactation/relactation page. OMG I'm horrified. "not only is it possible it's easy.".....EASY? "and you will most likely make a lot of milk" How on earth can they say such things to moms? I definitely will be writing to them.

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.com

Breastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- On Tue, 7/6/10, <blueflamingahava> wrote:

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[Guest guest]

ok one more comment on this business. I just looked at their induced lactation/relactation page. OMG I'm horrified. "not only is it possible it's easy.".....EASY? "and you will most likely make a lot of milk" How on earth can they say such things to moms? I definitely will be writing to them. Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- On Tue, 7/6/10,

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I'm not kidding. it made my stomach hurt. so i'm wondering...can we collectively file some sort of complaint? I think this qualifies as an ethics violation, but I think the process of filing a complaint is more than anyone would want to take on... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- Subject: Re: Re: You CAN Exclusively Breastfeed -responseTo: Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 1:55 PM

, you are kidding. I've not looked at that page. And there is a real difference between induced and relactation. Oh.My.Goodness. How can they SAY that?????

Oh dear.

Let us know if you hear back.

PS -- are these people living on the same planet we are?

Jan

In a message dated 7/7/2010 3:35:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, second9months@ yahoo.com writes:

I just looked at their induced lactation/relactati on page. OMG I'm horrified. "not only is it possible it's easy.".....EASY? "and you will most likely make a lot of milk" How on earth can they say such things to moms? I definitely will be writing to them.