Re: Torticollis - or just unaligned jaw

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i have found that once i point it out to the parents, and the parents point it out to the dr., they are happy to refer. especially if i give them a particular professional to refer to. good luck!

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.com

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Subject: Re: Torticollis - or just unaligned jawTo: Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 6:44 PM

Robin wrote: "Were either one of these moms put on bed rest at any time during her pregnancy? The reason I ask is that I have seen a rise in torticollis in moms who have been placed on bed rest....mostly b/c the baby is unable to move around as much in utero. I have also seen that this increases their risk of needing a helmet later on."

What I see is that doctors will only write referrals for PT for torticollis when the condition is extreme and baby won't turn his head forward at all. The less severe cases, where baby favors one side consistently, but will turn his head straight or in the other direction for very short periods of time, just don't get referred by doctors. Then the doctor has no idea why this baby develops a flat section of his skull, and the doctor decides the baby needs one of those awful helmets that still don't address the underlying issue.

These babies can be helped tremendously by craniosacral therapy as soon as anyone notices that the baby (no matter how young) prefers to look to one side more often than not. When I notice it, I point it out to parents. Then I ask them to watch to see if the baby is always looking in the same direction in his car seat when they arrive at their destinations. (The side of a car seat is not all that interesting, but parents never seem to think of that.) I also ask them if the baby prefers to have his head turned the same way whenever they change his diaper or his clothes. Some say they thought it was because the mobile or other toy was on that side, so I ask them to move the toy. So many of them then call me to say that the baby still prefers looking to the same side, even though the toy has been moved! The younger the babies are when treatment is started, the quicker the problem resolves (usually) and the less

risk of misshapen skull.

Dee Kassing

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After working with a 3-month old baby yesterday, a reason for misaligned jaw and

torticollis was a kink in this baby's dural tube.

What was really, really cool was watching the parietal/frontal overriding bones

smooth out as I did a occipital base release while he was nursing. And his mamma

saw it too!!

whee!!

warmly,

Nikki Lee

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How, where did you get your training? I would love to be able to

adjust babies like that!

June

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Subject: Re: Torticollis - or just unaligned jaw

After working with a 3-month old baby

yesterday, a reason for misaligned jaw and torticollis was a kink in this

baby's dural tube.

What was really, really cool was watching the parietal/frontal overriding bones

smooth out as I did a occipital base release while he was nursing. And his

mamma saw it too!!

whee!!

warmly,

Nikki Lee

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I've attended Upledger Institute trainings in CST and SER. I've also been a

teaching assistant at trainings.

warmly,

Nikki

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Nikki,I'm thinking about doing this training. I've been looking into it lately. Were you happy with the trainings? Can email me back privately?Aprilkurtyka@...April Kurtyka IBCLCwww.confidentbeginnings.comDate: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:25:03 -0000To: < >Subject: Re: Torticollis - or just unaligned jaw I've attended Upledger Institute trainings in CST and SER. I've also been a teaching assistant at trainings.warmly,Nikki

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Hi, Nikki.

I've discussed this with a friend of mine who does CST. She is also an RN, as you are. She says that RNs have the "right" to touch clients, based on their RN license, and so can also do CST. But she questions whether a non-RN IBCLC would be able to do such body-work legally. Can you comment?

Dee Kassing

Subject: Re: Torticollis - or just unaligned jawTo: Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:25 AM

I've attended Upledger Institute trainings in CST and SER. I've also been a teaching assistant at trainings.warmly,Nikki

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But it seems, Jan, like there is a difference between touch specific to the scope of a lactation consultant, such as determining plugged ducts or helping with latch, vs. touch for a therapy that is not within the training of an IBCLC. That's why I asked if non-RN IBCLCs can do various types of "touch therapy", like craniosacral therapy.

Dee Kassing

Subject: Re: Re: Torticollis - or just unaligned jawTo: Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:04 AM

OK, I'm confused. Where are y'all coming up with non-licensed people not being able to touch? How do you examine a baby? How do you check for hyper or hypotonia? How do you examine a breast, or check for plugged ducts? How do you help a mom get a baby latched on when she really needs help? All of this is in the standards and scope of practice of an IBCLC.

And what about patient care techs in hospitals or clinics or offices that touch? they aren't licensed. Nor are those in a WIC clinic that weigh babies or do finger sticks. What about nursing aides in nursing homes?

You do not have to be LICENSED to TOUCH someone!!

Jan

In a message dated 1/12/2010 10:52:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, amynoelle78@ gmail.com writes:

The Upledger Institute will train and certify anyone who completes their requirements, but they do not provide a license, which is why you have to have something to legally allow you to do "hands on" manipulation or body work...I believe you can become an ordained minister relatively easily and inexpensively online.... - do you offer CST to the general population or do you just add it to your work with babies?~Amy Paolinelli, MA, IBCLC~ >> > I have a friend who teaches for Upledger. I asked him this question just a couple of months ago--yes, anyone can take the training. And, ordained ministers can do bodywork. >

> > i've heard that upledger insttitute only takes people withanatomy/ physiology backgrounds. we have the "right to touch" as well,but we don't have extensive ana/phys training. people like Physicaltherapists, massage therapists, RN's, DO's, Chiropractors, etc areaccepted. at least that's what i've heard from C/S therapists I know...> > > > > > Tow, IBCLC, CT, USA> Intuitive Parenting Network, LLC>

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But I can't do craniosacral therapy. That is out of my scope of practice as an RN UNLESS I take the CST training. Having a "license to touch" doesn't give me the authority (or license) to do CST, suck training, PT (beyond basic range of motion exercises), OT -- or anything else. It gives me the authority to practice within my scope of practice as an RN. Ergo, if you take the course to become a CST and one of the things you have to do is practice on 60 bodies in order to become certified, then you have the "authority" to touch those 60 bodies in order to become certified -- just as someone who is getting their internship of 1000 hours to become an IBCLC.

The person that does my CST is not an RN. She has certification as a massage therapist and a CST. But she doesn't have to be a massage therapist to be a CST. That stands on its own -- as does a massage therapist.

Agnes, who does my nails, has a "license" through the IL board that licenses us all -- me included. She can "touch" -- but she can't do CST because she hasn't had training in that area.

I really think somewhere along the line we've gotten all bolloxed up in this whole "license to touch" thing. And it has inhibited people from doing what they are trained and supposed to do.

And why a "minister" should have more of a "license to touch" than a CST -- well, that is totally beyond my comprehension. My pastor better not do any more than put his hand on my shoulder in compassion -- and I would expect any of the deacons and elders in my church to do the same thing -- and they aren't ministers.

Jan

But it seems, Jan, like there is a difference between touch specific to the scope of a lactation consultant, such as determining plugged ducts or helping with latch, vs. touch for a therapy that is not within the training of an IBCLC. That's why I asked if non-RN IBCLCs can do various types of "touch therapy", like craniosacral therapy.

Dee Kassing

Subject: Re: Re: Torticollis - or just unaligned jawTo: Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:04 AM

OK, I'm confused. Where are y'all coming up with non-licensed people not being able to touch? How do you examine a baby? How do you check for hyper or hypotonia? How do you examine a breast, or check for plugged ducts? How do you help a mom get a baby latched on when she really needs help? All of this is in the standards and scope of practice of an IBCLC.

And what about patient care techs in hospitals or clinics or offices that touch? they aren't licensed. Nor are those in a WIC clinic that weigh babies or do finger sticks. What about nursing aides in nursing homes?

You do not have to be LICENSED to TOUCH someone!!

Jan

In a message dated 1/12/2010 10:52:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, amynoelle78@ gmail.com writes:

The Upledger Institute will train and certify anyone who completes their requirements, but they do not provide a license, which is why you have to have something to legally allow you to do "hands on" manipulation or body work...I believe you can become an ordained minister relatively easily and inexpensively online.... - do you offer CST to the general population or do you just add it to your work with babies?~Amy Paolinelli, MA, IBCLC~ >> > I have a friend who teaches for Upledger. I asked him this question just a couple of months ago--yes, anyone can take the training. And, ordained ministers can do bodywork. > > > i've heard that upledger insttitute only takes people withanatomy/ physiology backgrounds. we have the "right to touch" as well,but we don't have extensive ana/phys training. people like Physicaltherapists, massage therapists, RN's, DO's, Chiropractors, etc areaccepted. at least that's what i've heard from C/S therapists I know...> > > > > > Tow, IBCLC, CT, USA> Intuitive Parenting Network, LLC>