Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Marina of course you are right , is it on his statement part 3? Yes you can go to the LEA and ask to be enforced. No you cannot enforce it , but you want them accountable in the future then get it on part 3 on his next statement in the meantime they can refuse it if they want to or do whatever and you can't do nothing about it we are in the similar position as you we recently had the SI cancelled and because it is not on his statement I cannot enforce it .....this is what the solicitor said to me yesterday any how. Unfortunately you see this attitude in many schools across the board and it is a shame on them as they live a lot to desire as professionals and on us because we have been unlucky to cross their path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Marina of course you are right , is it on his statement part 3? Yes you can go to the LEA and ask to be enforced. No you cannot enforce it , but you want them accountable in the future then get it on part 3 on his next statement in the meantime they can refuse it if they want to or do whatever and you can't do nothing about it we are in the similar position as you we recently had the SI cancelled and because it is not on his statement I cannot enforce it .....this is what the solicitor said to me yesterday any how. Unfortunately you see this attitude in many schools across the board and it is a shame on them as they live a lot to desire as professionals and on us because we have been unlucky to cross their path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Marina of course you are right , is it on his statement part 3? Yes you can go to the LEA and ask to be enforced. No you cannot enforce it , but you want them accountable in the future then get it on part 3 on his next statement in the meantime they can refuse it if they want to or do whatever and you can't do nothing about it we are in the similar position as you we recently had the SI cancelled and because it is not on his statement I cannot enforce it .....this is what the solicitor said to me yesterday any how. Unfortunately you see this attitude in many schools across the board and it is a shame on them as they live a lot to desire as professionals and on us because we have been unlucky to cross their path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I would be concerned Marina that if you persuade them it isn't too invasive that they wouldn't do them properly, 's school would probably agree to talktools but I'm concerned about hygiene, we always get worms during term time, also concerned if they really would do them all, at least doing it at home I know it's definitely happening and properly. The other thing for me would be having to persuade someone to do something isn't good, only want people with my kids who really are on board and want to do stuff. Vicky OT - School Issue! Hi All I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his tactile cues. He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt tired to carry out this at home during the week. They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' !!! They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal apraxia???? They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - to me that is far more evasive. Any been in this sort of situation before? Marina xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I would be concerned Marina that if you persuade them it isn't too invasive that they wouldn't do them properly, 's school would probably agree to talktools but I'm concerned about hygiene, we always get worms during term time, also concerned if they really would do them all, at least doing it at home I know it's definitely happening and properly. The other thing for me would be having to persuade someone to do something isn't good, only want people with my kids who really are on board and want to do stuff. Vicky OT - School Issue! Hi All I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his tactile cues. He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt tired to carry out this at home during the week. They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' !!! They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal apraxia???? They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - to me that is far more evasive. Any been in this sort of situation before? Marina xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I would be concerned Marina that if you persuade them it isn't too invasive that they wouldn't do them properly, 's school would probably agree to talktools but I'm concerned about hygiene, we always get worms during term time, also concerned if they really would do them all, at least doing it at home I know it's definitely happening and properly. The other thing for me would be having to persuade someone to do something isn't good, only want people with my kids who really are on board and want to do stuff. Vicky OT - School Issue! Hi All I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his tactile cues. He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt tired to carry out this at home during the week. They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' !!! They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal apraxia???? They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - to me that is far more evasive. Any been in this sort of situation before? Marina xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hi - no it isnt on his statement as this is something relatively new. You are lucky to even have had SI as no child gets it at Jacks school unless it is their statement and they have had an assesment by qualified OT outside of school! If you have had SI pulled can you not argue why was it given in the first place - the obviously thought he had a need before!!  Think the class teachers are willing to carry out the talk tools but it is the deputy heads decision.  Soooo frustrating!!  Marina  Marina of course you are right , is it on his statement part 3? Yes you can go to the LEA and ask to be enforced. No you cannot enforce it , but you want  them accountable in the future then get it on part 3 on his next statement in the meantime they can refuse it if they want to or do whatever and you can't do nothing about it we are in the similar  position as you we recently had the SI cancelled and because it is not on his statement I cannot enforce it .....this is what the solicitor said to me yesterday any how. Unfortunately you see this attitude in many schools across the board and it is a shame on them as they live a lot to desire as professionals and on us because we have been unlucky to cross their path.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hi - no it isnt on his statement as this is something relatively new. You are lucky to even have had SI as no child gets it at Jacks school unless it is their statement and they have had an assesment by qualified OT outside of school! If you have had SI pulled can you not argue why was it given in the first place - the obviously thought he had a need before!!  Think the class teachers are willing to carry out the talk tools but it is the deputy heads decision.  Soooo frustrating!!  Marina  Marina of course you are right , is it on his statement part 3? Yes you can go to the LEA and ask to be enforced. No you cannot enforce it , but you want  them accountable in the future then get it on part 3 on his next statement in the meantime they can refuse it if they want to or do whatever and you can't do nothing about it we are in the similar  position as you we recently had the SI cancelled and because it is not on his statement I cannot enforce it .....this is what the solicitor said to me yesterday any how. Unfortunately you see this attitude in many schools across the board and it is a shame on them as they live a lot to desire as professionals and on us because we have been unlucky to cross their path.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hi - no it isnt on his statement as this is something relatively new. You are lucky to even have had SI as no child gets it at Jacks school unless it is their statement and they have had an assesment by qualified OT outside of school! If you have had SI pulled can you not argue why was it given in the first place - the obviously thought he had a need before!!  Think the class teachers are willing to carry out the talk tools but it is the deputy heads decision.  Soooo frustrating!!  Marina  Marina of course you are right , is it on his statement part 3? Yes you can go to the LEA and ask to be enforced. No you cannot enforce it , but you want  them accountable in the future then get it on part 3 on his next statement in the meantime they can refuse it if they want to or do whatever and you can't do nothing about it we are in the similar  position as you we recently had the SI cancelled and because it is not on his statement I cannot enforce it .....this is what the solicitor said to me yesterday any how. Unfortunately you see this attitude in many schools across the board and it is a shame on them as they live a lot to desire as professionals and on us because we have been unlucky to cross their path.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hi Vicky  You have a point but even if they agree whole heartedly and show them how, they could still do it wrong!!  Didnt even consider the hygiene point of things......why does everything have to be a hurdle!  I do them every night but not enough.  Marina xx  I would be concerned Marina that if you persuade them it isn't too invasive that they wouldn't do them properly, 's school would probably agree to talktools but I'm concerned about hygiene, we always get worms during term time, also concerned if they really would do them all, at least doing it at home I know it's definitely happening and properly. The other thing for me would be having to persuade someone to do something isn't good, only want people with my kids who really are on board and want to do stuff.Vicky OT - School Issue!  Hi All  I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his tactile cues.  He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt tired to carry out this at home during the week.  They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' !!!  They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal apraxia????  They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - to me that is far more evasive.  Any been in this sort of situation before?  Marina xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hi Vicky  You have a point but even if they agree whole heartedly and show them how, they could still do it wrong!!  Didnt even consider the hygiene point of things......why does everything have to be a hurdle!  I do them every night but not enough.  Marina xx  I would be concerned Marina that if you persuade them it isn't too invasive that they wouldn't do them properly, 's school would probably agree to talktools but I'm concerned about hygiene, we always get worms during term time, also concerned if they really would do them all, at least doing it at home I know it's definitely happening and properly. The other thing for me would be having to persuade someone to do something isn't good, only want people with my kids who really are on board and want to do stuff.Vicky OT - School Issue!  Hi All  I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his tactile cues.  He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt tired to carry out this at home during the week.  They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' !!!  They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal apraxia????  They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - to me that is far more evasive.  Any been in this sort of situation before?  Marina xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hi Vicky  You have a point but even if they agree whole heartedly and show them how, they could still do it wrong!!  Didnt even consider the hygiene point of things......why does everything have to be a hurdle!  I do them every night but not enough.  Marina xx  I would be concerned Marina that if you persuade them it isn't too invasive that they wouldn't do them properly, 's school would probably agree to talktools but I'm concerned about hygiene, we always get worms during term time, also concerned if they really would do them all, at least doing it at home I know it's definitely happening and properly. The other thing for me would be having to persuade someone to do something isn't good, only want people with my kids who really are on board and want to do stuff.Vicky OT - School Issue!  Hi All  I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his tactile cues.  He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt tired to carry out this at home during the week.  They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' !!!  They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal apraxia????  They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - to me that is far more evasive.  Any been in this sort of situation before?  Marina xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Could they wear very fine latex (or non-latex) gloves? If your child would tolerate it, then hygiene problem solved. Mention the need to make reasonable adjustment to meet the needs of the child and this certainly includes helping him to communicate. Margaret > > > > > I would be concerned Marina that if you persuade them it isn't too invasive that they wouldn't do them properly, 's school would probably agree to talktools but I'm concerned about hygiene, we always get worms during term time, also concerned if they really would do them all, at least doing it at home I know it's definitely happening and properly. > The other thing for me would be having to persuade someone to do something isn't good, only want people with my kids who really are on board and want to do stuff. > Vicky > > > > OT - School Issue! > > > > > > > Hi All > > I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his tactile cues. > > He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt tired to carry out this at home during the week. > > They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' !!! > > They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal apraxia???? > > They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - to me that is far more evasive. > > Any been in this sort of situation before? > > Marina xx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Could they wear very fine latex (or non-latex) gloves? If your child would tolerate it, then hygiene problem solved. Mention the need to make reasonable adjustment to meet the needs of the child and this certainly includes helping him to communicate. Margaret > > > > > I would be concerned Marina that if you persuade them it isn't too invasive that they wouldn't do them properly, 's school would probably agree to talktools but I'm concerned about hygiene, we always get worms during term time, also concerned if they really would do them all, at least doing it at home I know it's definitely happening and properly. > The other thing for me would be having to persuade someone to do something isn't good, only want people with my kids who really are on board and want to do stuff. > Vicky > > > > OT - School Issue! > > > > > > > Hi All > > I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his tactile cues. > > He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt tired to carry out this at home during the week. > > They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' !!! > > They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal apraxia???? > > They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - to me that is far more evasive. > > Any been in this sort of situation before? > > Marina xx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Could they wear very fine latex (or non-latex) gloves? If your child would tolerate it, then hygiene problem solved. Mention the need to make reasonable adjustment to meet the needs of the child and this certainly includes helping him to communicate. Margaret > > > > > I would be concerned Marina that if you persuade them it isn't too invasive that they wouldn't do them properly, 's school would probably agree to talktools but I'm concerned about hygiene, we always get worms during term time, also concerned if they really would do them all, at least doing it at home I know it's definitely happening and properly. > The other thing for me would be having to persuade someone to do something isn't good, only want people with my kids who really are on board and want to do stuff. > Vicky > > > > OT - School Issue! > > > > > > > Hi All > > I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his tactile cues. > > He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt tired to carry out this at home during the week. > > They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' !!! > > They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal apraxia???? > > They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - to me that is far more evasive. > > Any been in this sort of situation before? > > Marina xx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Marina Vicky has a point for years I was lied to with the school saying that they were doing this and the other and they didn't the fact is you have no way to prove it one way or the other ..... Regarding my situation it took me years to get this support and DS being excluded from a specialist placement to LEA to cave in , despite of him also having a diagnosis of dyspraxia for years and his motor abilities be quite under his age specially his upper members and yes I have spent hundred of pounds in the past with reports and other to make this happening ....all of it is very frustrating .If you think about I only had 1,5 years of support now DS does not has any support at all for his dyspraxia needs , so my victory is very short lived. The cherry on the cake is the alternative put forward in place of SI hour. Some scheme activities to disabled children all the expenses have to be cover by me using DS DLA and some of them are dangerous if you consider that DS is a runner and also has behavioural problems the activities sailability and paddlebility all activities are in water a lake to be more exact , if DS has a meltdown in the boat I dread to think what can happen has he does not know how to swim or would have the organization skills to grab the boat to keep afloat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Marina Vicky has a point for years I was lied to with the school saying that they were doing this and the other and they didn't the fact is you have no way to prove it one way or the other ..... Regarding my situation it took me years to get this support and DS being excluded from a specialist placement to LEA to cave in , despite of him also having a diagnosis of dyspraxia for years and his motor abilities be quite under his age specially his upper members and yes I have spent hundred of pounds in the past with reports and other to make this happening ....all of it is very frustrating .If you think about I only had 1,5 years of support now DS does not has any support at all for his dyspraxia needs , so my victory is very short lived. The cherry on the cake is the alternative put forward in place of SI hour. Some scheme activities to disabled children all the expenses have to be cover by me using DS DLA and some of them are dangerous if you consider that DS is a runner and also has behavioural problems the activities sailability and paddlebility all activities are in water a lake to be more exact , if DS has a meltdown in the boat I dread to think what can happen has he does not know how to swim or would have the organization skills to grab the boat to keep afloat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Marina Vicky has a point for years I was lied to with the school saying that they were doing this and the other and they didn't the fact is you have no way to prove it one way or the other ..... Regarding my situation it took me years to get this support and DS being excluded from a specialist placement to LEA to cave in , despite of him also having a diagnosis of dyspraxia for years and his motor abilities be quite under his age specially his upper members and yes I have spent hundred of pounds in the past with reports and other to make this happening ....all of it is very frustrating .If you think about I only had 1,5 years of support now DS does not has any support at all for his dyspraxia needs , so my victory is very short lived. The cherry on the cake is the alternative put forward in place of SI hour. Some scheme activities to disabled children all the expenses have to be cover by me using DS DLA and some of them are dangerous if you consider that DS is a runner and also has behavioural problems the activities sailability and paddlebility all activities are in water a lake to be more exact , if DS has a meltdown in the boat I dread to think what can happen has he does not know how to swim or would have the organization skills to grab the boat to keep afloat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 this is exactly why i home-school. how can they argue that building oral-motor control and teaching an apraxic child to communicate through speech isn't a top priority activity to be spending 3/4 small sessions a day engaged in. shocking, disappointing and typical of today's poor provisions for children with autism. talk tools has been paramount in helping eddie's speech articulation, essential to him and he has benefited hugely from 5 sittings a day (monday to friday only). i'm not sure what positive approach you could take with the school, what about a goal/skills prioritising sessions with the staff? it sounds like they need a shift in the thinking around what things are useful for jack. i bet they spend time doing other things that would be low on your priority list. karenza > > Hi All > > I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked > them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his > tactile cues. > > He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt > tired to carry out this at home during the week. > > They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile > cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' > !!! > > They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how > different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal > apraxia???? > > They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - > to me that is far more evasive. > > Any been in this sort of situation before? > > Marina xx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 this is exactly why i home-school. how can they argue that building oral-motor control and teaching an apraxic child to communicate through speech isn't a top priority activity to be spending 3/4 small sessions a day engaged in. shocking, disappointing and typical of today's poor provisions for children with autism. talk tools has been paramount in helping eddie's speech articulation, essential to him and he has benefited hugely from 5 sittings a day (monday to friday only). i'm not sure what positive approach you could take with the school, what about a goal/skills prioritising sessions with the staff? it sounds like they need a shift in the thinking around what things are useful for jack. i bet they spend time doing other things that would be low on your priority list. karenza > > Hi All > > I had Jack's review yesterday at his autism specialist school, I have asked > them to incorporate his oral placement therapy (talk tools) and use his > tactile cues. > > He is with them for 6 hours a day and I get about an hour when he isnt > tired to carry out this at home during the week. > > They have agreed to let me come in and show them how to perform the tactile > cues but will not carry out his talk tools exercises as they are 'evasive' > !!! > > They have to feed some children and put a spoon in their mouths, how > different is it to using a tool that has proved to help his verbal > apraxia???? > > They have to shower and change some children after toiletting accidents - > to me that is far more evasive. > > Any been in this sort of situation before? > > Marina xx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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