Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 With all of the discussion around creatine on the list, understanding that creatine helps in the retention of water in muscle and, the heart being a muscle, has there been any studies pro or con about this? Does the heart muscle retain water as the result of creatine at all? Carson Wood. Westbrook ME USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Carson, Good question. I read somewhere some time ago, (been using creatine since '91) that creatine was good for the heart. Will try to find the source. A very worthwhile area of research. W.G. Ubermensch Sports Consultancy San Diego CA > > With all of the discussion around creatine on the list, understanding that > creatine helps in the retention of water in muscle and, the heart being a > muscle, has there been any studies pro or con about this? Does the heart > muscle retain water as the result of creatine at all? > > Carson Wood. > Westbrook ME USA. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Carson, Good question. I read somewhere some time ago, (been using creatine since '91) that creatine was good for the heart. Will try to find the source. A very worthwhile area of research. W.G. Ubermensch Sports Consultancy San Diego CA > > With all of the discussion around creatine on the list, understanding that > creatine helps in the retention of water in muscle and, the heart being a > muscle, has there been any studies pro or con about this? Does the heart > muscle retain water as the result of creatine at all? > > Carson Wood. > Westbrook ME USA. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 --- Carson Wood wrote: > With all of the discussion around creatine on the > list, understanding that > creatine helps in the retention of water in muscle > and, the heart being a > muscle, has there been any studies pro or con about > this? Does the heart > muscle retain water as the result of creatine at > all? > > Carson Wood. > Westbrook ME USA. The following may be helpful for to the present discussion: Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA *********************************** Creatine and Other Supplements Pediatric Clinics of North America - Volume 54, Issue 4 (August 2007) - Copyright © 2007 W. B. Saunders Company Lattavo, DOa, & #8727; Kopperud, MDb,c D. , MD, MPH, FAAPc,d Creatine has been studied and found to have no clinically significant effect on blood pressure [58], [59], liver enzymes [51], [52], [53], [62], [63], electrolytes [52], glucose [52], uric acid [53], hematologic parameters [52], [53], [59], [62], or muscle enzymes [52], [59], [62]. Some studies indicated a modest favorable effect on lipid parameters of uncertain clinical significance [52], [53]. There have been anecdotal reports of muscle cramps and stiffness, musculotendinous injury, dehydration, and heat illness, but the research to date indicates that creatine does not increase the incidence of these effects [4], [43], [51], [52], [53], [54]. The incidence of musculoskeletal injuries and heat illness actually may be decreased by creatine [54]; however, there is evidence that creatine may increase muscle compartmental pressures in the leg [58]. Several case reports of more serious adverse effects are found in the literature. These include: • New onset of lone atrial fibrillation during the creatine loading phase [66] • Interstitial nephritis and focal tubular injury in a previously healthy 20-year-old man taking creatine, 20 g/d, for 4 weeks, which resolved with discontinuation of creatine [67]. • Worsening renal function (elevated serum creatinine and decline in glomerular filtration rate) after initiating a standard-dose regimen of creatine in a 25-year-old man who had focal segmental glomerulosclerosis and frequently relapsing steroid-responsive nephrotic syndrome, taking a therapeutic dose of cyclosporine. His renal function normalized 1 month after stopping creatine [68]. • Rhabdomyolysis and acute renal failure following arthroscopic anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction in a 21-year-old, previously healthy college football player who had been taking creatine preoperatively, up to 10 g/d for 6 weeks, with full recovery [69]. • Acute quadriceps compartment syndrome and rhabdomyolysis in a 24-year-old male bodybuilder taking creatine, 25 g/d, and no other supplements or anabolic steroids, after a lower extremity resistance training session. He underwent fasciotomy, had a complicated postoperative course, and at 6 months, his quadriceps strength was just 60% of his baseline strength. The investigators stated that creatine may have predisposed him to compartment syndrome by increasing water content in the muscle cells, and, thus, increasing baseline compartment pressures, a hypothesis that has some scientific support [55], [58]. [41] Haussinger D., Roth E., Lang F., et al: Cellular hydration state: an important determination of protein catabolism in health and disease. Lancet 341. 1330-1332.1993; Abstract [42] Kreider R.: Creatine supplementation: analysis of ergogenic value, medical safety, and concerns. Journal of Exercise Physiology Online 1. (1): 1998;Available at:Available at: http://faculty.css.edu/tboone2/asep/jan3.htm [43] Bemben M.G., Lamont H.S.: Creatine supplementation and exercise performance: recent findings. Sports Med 35. (2): 107-125.2005; Abstract [44] Derave W., Eijinde B.O., Hespel P.: Creatine supplementation in health and disease: what is the evidence for long term efficacy?. Mol Cell Biochem 244. 49-55.2003; Abstract [45] Hespel P., Maughan R.J., Greenhaff P.L.: Dietary supplements for football. J Sports Sci 24. (7): 749-761.2006; Abstract [46] Ciocca M.: Medication and supplement use by athletes. Clin Sports Med 24. 719-738.2005; Full Text [47] Lemon P.W.: Dietary creatine supplementation and exercise performance: why inconsistent results?. Can J Appl Physiol 27. (6): 663-680.2002; Abstract [48] Grindstaff P.D., Kreider R., Bishop R., et al: Effects of creatine supplementation on repetitive sprint performance and body composition in competitive swimmers. Int J Sport Nutr 7. 330-346.1997; Abstract [49] Theodorou A.S., Havenetidis K., Zanker C.L.: Effects of acute creatine loading with or without carbohydrate on repeated bouts of maximal swimming in high-performance swimmers. J Strength Cond Res 19. (2): 265-269.2005; [50] Ostojic S.M.: Creatine supplementation in young soccer players. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab 14. 95-103.2004; Abstract [51] Shao A., Hathcock J.N.: Risk assessment for creatine monohydrate. Regul Toxicol Pharmacol 45. (3): 242-251.2006; Abstract [52] Kreider R.B., Melton C., Rasmussen C.J., et al: Long-term creatine supplementation does not significantly affect clinical markers of health in athletes. Mol Cell Biochem 244. (1–2): 95-104.2003; Abstract [53] Schilling B.K., Stone M.H., Utter A., et al: Creatine supplementation and health variables: a retrospective study. Med Sci Sports Exerc 33. (2): 183-188.2001; Abstract [54] Greenwood M., Kreider R.B., Melton C., et al: Creatine supplementation during college football training does not increase the incidence of cramping or injury. Mol Cell Biochem 244. (1–2): 83-88.2003; Abstract [55] S.J.: Acute quadriceps compartment syndrome and rhabdomyolysis in a weight lifter using high-dose creatine supplementation. J Am Board Fam Pract 13. (2): 134-137.2000; Citation [56] PDR Health. Creatine. Available at: http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/cre_0086.shtml. Accessed December 30, 2006. [57] DesJardins M.: Supplement use in the adolescent athlete. Curr Sports Med Rep 1. 369-373.2002; [58] Bizzarini E., De Angelis L.: Is the use of oral creatine supplementation safe?. J Sports Med Phys Fitness 44. (4): 411-416.2004; Abstract [59] Mihic S., Mac J.R., McKenzie S., et al: Acute creatine loading increases fat-free mass, but does not affect blood pressure, plasma creatinine, or CK activity in men and women. Med Sci Sports Exerc 32. (2): 291-296.2000; Abstract [60] Groeneveld G.J., Beijer C., Veldink J.H., et al: Few adverse effects of long-term creatine supplementation in a placebo-controlled trial. Int J Sports Med 26. (4): 307-313.2005; Abstract [61] Pline K.A., C.L.: The effect of creatine intake on renal function. Ann Pharmacother 39. (6): 1093-1096.2005; Abstract [62] T.M., Sewell D.A., Casey A., et al: Dietary creatine supplementation does not affect some haematological indices, or indices of muscle damage and hepatic and renal function. Br J Sports Med 34. 284-288.2000; Abstract [63] Mayhew D.L., Mayhew J.L., Ware J.S.: Effects of long-term creatine supplementation on liver and kidney functions in American college football players. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab 12. (4): 453-460.2002; Abstract [64] Poortmans J.R., Francaux M.: Long-term oral creatine supplementation does not impair renal function in healthy athletes. Med Sci Sports Exerc 31. (8): 1108-1110.1999; Abstract [65] Yoshizumi W.M., Tsourounis C.: Effects of creatine supplementation on renal function. J Herb Pharmacother 4. (1): 1-7.2004; [66] Kammer R.T.: Lone atrial fibrillation associated with creatine monohydrate supplementation. Pharmacotherapy 25. (5): 762-764.2005; Abstract [67] Koshy K.M., Griswold E., Schneeberger E.E.: Interstitial nephritis in a patient taking creatine. N Engl J Med 340. (10): 814-815.1999; Citation [68] Pritchard N.R., Kalra P.A.: Renal dysfunction accompanying oral creatine supplements. Lancet 351. (9111): 1252-1253.1998; Citation [69] Sheth N.P., Sennett B., Berns J.S.: Rhabdomyolysis and acute renal failure following arthroscopic knee surgery in a college football player taking creatine supplements. Clin Nephrol 65. (2): 134-137.2006; Abstract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 --- Carson Wood wrote: > With all of the discussion around creatine on the > list, understanding that > creatine helps in the retention of water in muscle > and, the heart being a > muscle, has there been any studies pro or con about > this? Does the heart > muscle retain water as the result of creatine at > all? > > Carson Wood. > Westbrook ME USA. The following may be helpful for to the present discussion: Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA *********************************** Creatine and Other Supplements Pediatric Clinics of North America - Volume 54, Issue 4 (August 2007) - Copyright © 2007 W. B. Saunders Company Lattavo, DOa, & #8727; Kopperud, MDb,c D. , MD, MPH, FAAPc,d Creatine has been studied and found to have no clinically significant effect on blood pressure [58], [59], liver enzymes [51], [52], [53], [62], [63], electrolytes [52], glucose [52], uric acid [53], hematologic parameters [52], [53], [59], [62], or muscle enzymes [52], [59], [62]. Some studies indicated a modest favorable effect on lipid parameters of uncertain clinical significance [52], [53]. There have been anecdotal reports of muscle cramps and stiffness, musculotendinous injury, dehydration, and heat illness, but the research to date indicates that creatine does not increase the incidence of these effects [4], [43], [51], [52], [53], [54]. The incidence of musculoskeletal injuries and heat illness actually may be decreased by creatine [54]; however, there is evidence that creatine may increase muscle compartmental pressures in the leg [58]. Several case reports of more serious adverse effects are found in the literature. These include: • New onset of lone atrial fibrillation during the creatine loading phase [66] • Interstitial nephritis and focal tubular injury in a previously healthy 20-year-old man taking creatine, 20 g/d, for 4 weeks, which resolved with discontinuation of creatine [67]. • Worsening renal function (elevated serum creatinine and decline in glomerular filtration rate) after initiating a standard-dose regimen of creatine in a 25-year-old man who had focal segmental glomerulosclerosis and frequently relapsing steroid-responsive nephrotic syndrome, taking a therapeutic dose of cyclosporine. His renal function normalized 1 month after stopping creatine [68]. • Rhabdomyolysis and acute renal failure following arthroscopic anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction in a 21-year-old, previously healthy college football player who had been taking creatine preoperatively, up to 10 g/d for 6 weeks, with full recovery [69]. • Acute quadriceps compartment syndrome and rhabdomyolysis in a 24-year-old male bodybuilder taking creatine, 25 g/d, and no other supplements or anabolic steroids, after a lower extremity resistance training session. He underwent fasciotomy, had a complicated postoperative course, and at 6 months, his quadriceps strength was just 60% of his baseline strength. The investigators stated that creatine may have predisposed him to compartment syndrome by increasing water content in the muscle cells, and, thus, increasing baseline compartment pressures, a hypothesis that has some scientific support [55], [58]. [41] Haussinger D., Roth E., Lang F., et al: Cellular hydration state: an important determination of protein catabolism in health and disease. Lancet 341. 1330-1332.1993; Abstract [42] Kreider R.: Creatine supplementation: analysis of ergogenic value, medical safety, and concerns. Journal of Exercise Physiology Online 1. (1): 1998;Available at:Available at: http://faculty.css.edu/tboone2/asep/jan3.htm [43] Bemben M.G., Lamont H.S.: Creatine supplementation and exercise performance: recent findings. Sports Med 35. (2): 107-125.2005; Abstract [44] Derave W., Eijinde B.O., Hespel P.: Creatine supplementation in health and disease: what is the evidence for long term efficacy?. Mol Cell Biochem 244. 49-55.2003; Abstract [45] Hespel P., Maughan R.J., Greenhaff P.L.: Dietary supplements for football. J Sports Sci 24. (7): 749-761.2006; Abstract [46] Ciocca M.: Medication and supplement use by athletes. Clin Sports Med 24. 719-738.2005; Full Text [47] Lemon P.W.: Dietary creatine supplementation and exercise performance: why inconsistent results?. Can J Appl Physiol 27. (6): 663-680.2002; Abstract [48] Grindstaff P.D., Kreider R., Bishop R., et al: Effects of creatine supplementation on repetitive sprint performance and body composition in competitive swimmers. Int J Sport Nutr 7. 330-346.1997; Abstract [49] Theodorou A.S., Havenetidis K., Zanker C.L.: Effects of acute creatine loading with or without carbohydrate on repeated bouts of maximal swimming in high-performance swimmers. J Strength Cond Res 19. (2): 265-269.2005; [50] Ostojic S.M.: Creatine supplementation in young soccer players. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab 14. 95-103.2004; Abstract [51] Shao A., Hathcock J.N.: Risk assessment for creatine monohydrate. Regul Toxicol Pharmacol 45. (3): 242-251.2006; Abstract [52] Kreider R.B., Melton C., Rasmussen C.J., et al: Long-term creatine supplementation does not significantly affect clinical markers of health in athletes. Mol Cell Biochem 244. (1–2): 95-104.2003; Abstract [53] Schilling B.K., Stone M.H., Utter A., et al: Creatine supplementation and health variables: a retrospective study. Med Sci Sports Exerc 33. (2): 183-188.2001; Abstract [54] Greenwood M., Kreider R.B., Melton C., et al: Creatine supplementation during college football training does not increase the incidence of cramping or injury. Mol Cell Biochem 244. (1–2): 83-88.2003; Abstract [55] S.J.: Acute quadriceps compartment syndrome and rhabdomyolysis in a weight lifter using high-dose creatine supplementation. J Am Board Fam Pract 13. (2): 134-137.2000; Citation [56] PDR Health. Creatine. Available at: http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/cre_0086.shtml. Accessed December 30, 2006. [57] DesJardins M.: Supplement use in the adolescent athlete. Curr Sports Med Rep 1. 369-373.2002; [58] Bizzarini E., De Angelis L.: Is the use of oral creatine supplementation safe?. J Sports Med Phys Fitness 44. (4): 411-416.2004; Abstract [59] Mihic S., Mac J.R., McKenzie S., et al: Acute creatine loading increases fat-free mass, but does not affect blood pressure, plasma creatinine, or CK activity in men and women. Med Sci Sports Exerc 32. (2): 291-296.2000; Abstract [60] Groeneveld G.J., Beijer C., Veldink J.H., et al: Few adverse effects of long-term creatine supplementation in a placebo-controlled trial. Int J Sports Med 26. (4): 307-313.2005; Abstract [61] Pline K.A., C.L.: The effect of creatine intake on renal function. Ann Pharmacother 39. (6): 1093-1096.2005; Abstract [62] T.M., Sewell D.A., Casey A., et al: Dietary creatine supplementation does not affect some haematological indices, or indices of muscle damage and hepatic and renal function. Br J Sports Med 34. 284-288.2000; Abstract [63] Mayhew D.L., Mayhew J.L., Ware J.S.: Effects of long-term creatine supplementation on liver and kidney functions in American college football players. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab 12. (4): 453-460.2002; Abstract [64] Poortmans J.R., Francaux M.: Long-term oral creatine supplementation does not impair renal function in healthy athletes. Med Sci Sports Exerc 31. (8): 1108-1110.1999; Abstract [65] Yoshizumi W.M., Tsourounis C.: Effects of creatine supplementation on renal function. J Herb Pharmacother 4. (1): 1-7.2004; [66] Kammer R.T.: Lone atrial fibrillation associated with creatine monohydrate supplementation. Pharmacotherapy 25. (5): 762-764.2005; Abstract [67] Koshy K.M., Griswold E., Schneeberger E.E.: Interstitial nephritis in a patient taking creatine. N Engl J Med 340. (10): 814-815.1999; Citation [68] Pritchard N.R., Kalra P.A.: Renal dysfunction accompanying oral creatine supplements. Lancet 351. (9111): 1252-1253.1998; Citation [69] Sheth N.P., Sennett B., Berns J.S.: Rhabdomyolysis and acute renal failure following arthroscopic knee surgery in a college football player taking creatine supplements. Clin Nephrol 65. (2): 134-137.2006; Abstract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Apparently there are no studies concerning the heart. Read below. Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct USA **************** Creatine and Other Supplements Pediatric Clinics of North America - Volume 54, Issue 4 (August 2007) - Copyright © 2007 W. B. Saunders Company Creatine and Other Supplements Lattavo, DOa, & #8727; Kopperud, MDb,c D. , MD, MPH, FAAPc,d Creatine's effects on other creatine-containing tissues, such as the brain, cardiac muscle, and testes, are unknown [4]. [4] Tokish J.M., Kocher M.S., Hawkins R.J.: Ergogenic aids: a review of basic science, performance, side effects, and status in sports. Am J Sports Med 32. (6): 1543-1553.2004; Abstract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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